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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:32 AM
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The Crusaders -Rolling Stone
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Meet the Dominionists -- biblical literalists who believe God has called them to take over the U.S. government. As the far-right wing of the evangelical movement, Dominionists are pressing an agenda that makes Newt Gingrich's Contract With America look like the Communist Manifesto. They want to rewrite schoolbooks to reflect a Christian version of American history, pack the nation's courts with judges who follow Old Testament law, post the Ten Commandments in every courthouse and make it a felony for gay men to have sex and women to have abortions. In Florida, when the courts ordered Terri Schiavo's feeding tube removed, it was the Dominionists who organized round-the-clock protests and issued a fiery call for Gov. Jeb Bush to defy the law and take Schiavo into state custody. Their ultimate goal is to plant the seeds of a "faith-based" government that will endure far longer than Bush's presidency -- all the way until Jesus comes back.

"Most people hear them talk about a 'Christian nation' and think, 'Well, that sounds like a good, moral thing,' says the Rev. Mel White, who ghostwrote Jerry Falwell's autobiography before breaking with the evangelical movement. "What they don't know -- what even most conservative Christians who voted for Bush don't know -- is that 'Christian nation' means something else entirely to these Dominionist leaders. This movement is no more about following the example of Christ than Bush's Clean Water Act is about clean water."

The godfather of the Dominionists is D. James Kennedy, the most influential evangelical you've never heard of. A former Arthur Murray dance instructor, he launched his Florida ministry in 1959, when most evangelicals still followed Billy Graham's gospel of nonpartisan soul-saving. Kennedy built Coral Ridge Ministries into a $37-million-a-year empire, with a TV-and-radio audience of 3 million, by preaching that it was time to save America -- not soul by soul but election by election. After helping found the Moral Majority in 1979, Kennedy became a five-star general in the Christian army. Bush sought his blessing before running for president -- and continues to consult top Dominionists on matters of federal policy.

"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost," Kennedy says. "As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393...
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:55 AM
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1. I nominate this for greatest!
I nominate this for greatest!
I nominate this for greatest!

If I say it 3 times will it win?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:00 AM
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2. nominated -- if only this article appeared in the OLD Rolling Stone
it might have been six pages longer -- but, good to see they are still doing journalism.

here's my greatest vote -- i dedicate it to everyone who poo-poo's Madsen's work.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:42 AM
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3. Thank God they published this
And thank YOU for posting it! (Not that I'm excited about the Dominionists, just the possibility of more people knowing about it.)
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wabranty Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:55 AM
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4. Chilling Quote -
Didn't you just feel a cold chill when you read this line:

"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost," Kennedy says. "As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

:scared: :wow: :scared:
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:05 PM
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5. I sure do
especially "whatever the cost". These people are very frightening.
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:13 PM
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6. And the "vice regents" comment sounds like ...
something from the Star Wars prequels.
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:30 AM
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23. I love the word "reclaim" ....
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 10:30 AM by TexasBushwhacker
as if America was "for Christ" to begin with. Try reminding these people that freedom of religion was one of the core values of America, AND CONTINUES TO BE. If their religion is so great, why do they feel the need to force it down the whole world's throats?
The thing is most Christians DON'T feel the need to force their views on others.

(edited for spelling)
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InformedSource Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 04:38 PM
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7. Puzzlinng quote
"They want to rewrite schoolbooks to reflect a Christian version of American history, pack the nation's courts with judges who follow Old Testament law, post the Ten Commandments in every courthouse and make it a felony for gay men to have sex and women to have abortions."

A felony only for gay MEN to have sex? Female same sexuality is OK?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 05:26 PM
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9. I don't think there's anything in the Bible about lesbians
so they don't worry about it, it seems.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 06:48 PM
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11. yes lesbianism is OK, because these scumbags making up the rules
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 06:58 PM by FizzFuzz
are all MEN, and girl-on-girl action is HOT!

They'll suppress and enslave and drive us all into the ground, but by Jaysus, they'll protect their own interests.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:13 AM
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21. Lesbianism does not present as big a problem in the bible
because only men are mandated to procreate. According to some interpretations the sin that is committed when one engages in homosexual sex is the sin of spilling one's seed. As Monty Python sang, every sperm is sacred.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 05:25 PM
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8. "America is under assault!"
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 05:27 PM by ixion
Well, they've got that right. Except the dominionists are the ones who are doing the assaulting. These people are dangerous extremeists by ANY defintion, and we need to expose them as such to the people of this country, lest we slip away forever into Jesusland. :grr:

read more about dominionists here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 05:51 PM
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10. Holy Cow! oops, sorry.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 07:36 PM
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12. They should reprint Carl Bernstein's 1977 article of CIA steering msmedia!
But Rolling Stone probably fell victim to 'the agency' to get youth back under control. The war machine freaked over how rock'n'roll was taking over their potential work drones and cannon fodder.

Here's just a snippet from Carl Bernstein's famous 1977 article entitled "The CIA & The Media" from Rolling Stone, 10/20/77. Anyone with access to a library should try to find this - it's a truly breakthrough piece - 16 pages long in the reprint! begin snippet:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ARCHI...
>snip<

Among the executives who lent their cooperation to the Agency were William Paley of the Columbia Broadcasting System, Henry Luce of Time Inc., Arthur Hays Sulzberger of the New York Times, Barry Bingham Sr. of the Louisville Courier-Journal, and James Copley of the Copley News Services. Other organizations which cooperated with the CIA include the American Broadcasting Company, the National Broadcasting Company, the Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Newsweek magazine, the Mutual Broadcasting System, the Miami Herald and the old Saturday Evening Post and New York Herald-Tribune.

By far the most valuable of these associations, according to CIA officials, have been with the New York Times, CBS and Time Inc.
>snip<





Check out this 1976 Mae Brussell article
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Op...
on how the CIA led rock stars like Mick Jagger to suitcases of drugs to divert the youth movement away from politics. That's why there were so many over doses and fizzled lives. Just like the IranContra CIA-imported crack hitting LA's black community and causing social havoc that ratcheted up the police state.

>snip<

John and Yoko's legal problems began when marijuana was planted in some binoculars while moving. After Mr. Schneiderman showed the British police his full suitcase of drugs during the bust with Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, and Robert Frazier, Schneiderman left town. He was never arrested. The Stones went to jail. Mick Jagger was then put on the International Red List as a possible narcotics smuggler every time he went through customs.
Cable Splicer III, martial law plans, set to control civil disturbances, May 1970, described as dangerous "love-in type gatherings in the parks where in large numbers freak out, peace marches, rock festivals where violence is commonplace and sex is unrestrained."
Chicago Police Chief Rockford, overall commander during the police clashes at 1968 demonstrations, was also in charge of the police who fired a volley of shots, wounding one youth in a riot at the 1970 rock festival in Grant Park.
Louis Tackwood, agent provocateur with the Los Angeles Police Department, exposed CREEP and the Republicans who were going to turn San Diego into a scene of violence during the conventions in 1972. Part of the plans were to seal off and them bomb a hundred thousand demonstrators attending a rock concert on Fiesta Island in Mission Bay, San Diego.
Employees at the CIA's Langley, Virginia, headquarters don't have to stand in line to get tickets to these events. They have a top-secret ticketron outlet for rock concert appearances.
A similar top-secret ticketron outlet is administered by the National Security Agency at For George Meade, Md.
Howard Hughes organization ordered "all rock concerts prohibited in Las Vegas."
Fortune, January 1969, described the Movement as encompassing "hippies and doctrinaire Leninists, anarchists and populists, revolutionaries, whose domain is the human mind, rock bands and cultural guerrillas."
During the 1968 riots in Washington, D.C. group singing was outlawed by the police department. They were aware that people "get high" singing together.

>snip<

Yikes. Compare the youth culture then to the MTV culture of bling- bling and "whatever the president says"-Britney Spears today.

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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:33 PM
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13. Truly Repelling
Those reptiles are appalling. I just cut and pasted this article & e-mailed it to all my friends. I almost couldn't believe that people like them actually exist, but I remember how it was growing up in the South. However, I hate to vilify only the South; there are just as many stupid assholes in the midwest.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:27 AM
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14. Welcome to the Republic of Gilead. n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:47 AM
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15. KICK
:kick:
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 07:03 PM
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16. and, then, they team up at the Council of/for National Policy (CNP)
with Big Money, Corporate America, miscellaneous nutcases and fascists, etc.


Council for National Policy - Repug Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

EXPOS: THE CHRISTIAN MAFIA by Wayne Madsen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:48 AM
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17. Congressman Walter Jones - WTF
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 08:51 AM by susu369
"The most vivid proof of the Christianizing of Capitol Hill comes at the final session of Reclaiming America. Rep. Walter Jones, a lanky congressman from North Carolina, gives a fire-and-brimstone speech that would have gotten him laughed out of Washington thirty years ago. In today's climate, however, he's got a chance of passing his pet project, the Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act, which would permit ministers to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, effectively converting their tax-exempt churches into Republican campaign headquarters.

"America is under assault!" Jones thunders as his aides dash around the sanctuary snapping PR photos. "Everyone in America has the right to speak freely, except for those standing in the pulpits of our churches!" The amen chorus reaches a fever pitch. Hands fly heavenward."

====

there is an interesting thread in LBN about this jerk Walter Jones "in tears" wanting an apology for "bad information" about going to war -

He must really be one scary dude!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:09 AM
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18. They're Very Well Organized too
I doubt most people have even heard of this "Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act", but it has a well organized campaign behind it.

http://www.hr235.org /

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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:11 AM
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19. Welcome to DU, Gatchaman
and thanks for the information. I've been doing a Google search on Jones and he is scarier than I first thought!

:hi:
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:06 AM
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20. Nice to see this issue get more mainstream
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 09:23 AM by ikojo
coverage. I've read the Madsen stuff on Dominionism but some may see his stuff as bordering along conspiracy theories.


Here is a link to a similar article that appeared in Harpers Magazine in March 2003, Jesus plus Nothing. Notice that some of the lawmakers mentioned are Democrats, so this is not soley the pervue of the Republicans, although they dominate the movement.

http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html

This is how they pray: a dozen clear-eyed, smooth-skinned brothers gathered together in a huddle, arms crossing arms over shoulders like the weave of a cable, leaning in on one another and swaying like the long grass up the hill from the house they share. The house is a handsome, gray, two-story colonial that smells of new carpet and Pine-Sol and aftershave; the men who live there call it Ivanwald. At the end of a tree-lined cul-de-sac, quiet but for the buzz of lawn mowers and kids playing foxes-and-hounds in the park across the road, Ivanwald sits as one house among many, clustered together like mushrooms, all devoted, like these men, to the service of Jesus Christ. The men tend every tulip in the cul-de-sac, trim every magnolia, seal every driveway smooth and black as boot leather. And they pray, assembled at the dining table or on their lawn or in the hallway or in the bunk room or on the basketball court, each man's head bowed in humility and swollen with pride (secretly, he thinks) at being counted among such a fine corps for Christ, among men to whom he will open his heart and whom he will remember when he returns to the world not born-again but remade, no longer an individual but part of the Lord's revolution, his will transformed into a weapon for what the young men call spiritual war.

-snip-

vanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as the Family. The Family is, in its own words, an invisible association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as members, as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.


The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, a target for misunderstanding. <1> The Family's only publicized gathering is the National Prayer Breakfast, which it established in 1953 and which, with congressional sponsorship, it continues to organize every February in Washington, D.C. Each year 3,000 dignitaries, representing scores of nations, pay $425 each to attend. Steadfastly ecumenical, too bland most years to merit much press, the breakfast is regarded by the Family as merely a tool in a larger purpose: to recruit the powerful attendees into smaller, more frequent prayer meetings, where they can meet Jesus man to man.

-snip-

There they forge relationships beyond the din of vox populi (the Family's leaders consider democracy a manifestation of ungodly pride) and throw away religion in favor of the truths of the Family. Declaring God's covenant with the Jews broken, the group's core members call themselves the new chosen.
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:06 AM
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22. These people are so creepy....
...that the more successful they get the more they contribute to their own downfall. These people used to be considered looneys, and they will again...as soon as Americans wake up and see what their plans are for America.
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For PaisAn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:30 PM
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24. just read this today
One of the most frightening articles I've read in a long time. I thought they were just a few fanatics running around and had no idea how out of hand and how pervasive this is.
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