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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:49 AM
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Alma Mater as Big Brother
Was anyone else NOT aware of this program? Is this yet another affront to privacy being ignored by the MSM? And could such information gathering aid the military in a draft? -- They'd know exactly who the nursing students were, who the students on the edge of flunking out or quitting because of financial problems were, etc.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8331-2005Mar28.html

A proposal by the Education Department would force every college and university in America to report all their students' Social Security numbers and other information about each individual -- including credits earned, degree plan, race and ethnicity, and grants and loans received -- to a national databank. The government will record every student, regardless of whether he or she receives federal aid, in the databank.

The government's plan is to track students individually and in full detail as they complete their post-secondary education. The threat to our students' privacy is of grave concern, and the government has not satisfactorily explained why it wants to collect individual information.

Researchers at the Education Department say this mammoth project would give them better information on graduation rates and what students pay for college. Perhaps this would be interesting information to collect, but at what cost to individual privacy? At what cost in time and effort to the government and the educational institutions? As a college president who has spent her career in higher education, I know that a system is already in place to collect statistics. This system meets the government's need to inform public policy without intruding on students' privacy. Since 1992 every college or university whose students receive federal financial aid has been required to submit summary data on enrollment, student aid, graduation rates and other matters via the Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System.

Under the proposal that will soon be submitted to Congress, instead of aggregate statistics, colleges and universities would be required to feed data on each student to the Education Department's National Center for Education Statistics. Should an institution refuse, the government could take away federal grants, loans and work-study funds from every student at the college, a penalty that would fall on students in need while leaving more affluent students unaffected.


Can anyone explain why this might be a good idea?

:scared:

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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:51 AM
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1. Skill-based draft
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:52 AM
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3. That was my impression as well
And, of course, notice that this program will only apply to students who need financial aid, so once again the sons and daughters of the wealthy will be exempt from any such draft.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:52 AM
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2. reduce financial aid fraud? / nt
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:03 AM
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4. reduce financial aid - period?
eom
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:43 AM
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5. mayhaps.
Where I teach (a public university) we are asked to report students who sign up for classes but soon drop out of the classes or simply never show up. (We are supposed to indicate the date we last saw the student on the final grade roster.) The government requires universities to report names of such students, so that they can be forced to cough up the financial aid they may have received from the government. Universities that do not make a good faith effort to comply with this risk having all of their students barred from receiving financial aid.

I don't know if there is another agenda here. Financial aid is definitely tighter nowadays. I'm always impressed by my students who work long hours on top of heavy class loads. Some go down in flames, but many succeed. I had the privilege of going to an excellent private school with lots of financial aid (some loan debt, but not as bad as students face today).

Another thought. There are a lot of people who claim they have college degrees they do not have. A lot of people -- one third of resumes are padded, supposedly. The state of Oregon maintains a list of bogus institutions (degree mills that sell diplomas); it is illegal in Oregon to claim you have a doctoral degree, for example, if it's from one of these institutions. I wonder if this database is going to be compiled with this in mind?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:30 PM
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6. Bush Has Lots of Degrees
They are printed on genuine, official paper, and they're not worth a dime. He doesn't even use them. So what's the point?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:37 PM
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7. more fascism from the uber-patriots
the students shouldn't put up with this for a second.

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