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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:38 PM
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The Real Unemployment Rate is 23%
The following article comes from a Christian Site. It is interesting to see this take on why new job creation has been so low. Also note the slant in the article hinting at anti-Christian bias effecting jobs.

The Real Unemployment Rate is 23%:
How and Why Jobs are Vanishing from America
Luke Exilarch
Christians In Exile
March 20, 2005

Jobs are vanishing from America. Many of us realize this from our personal experience, or that of family members or friends.

The real unemployment rate is 23%

The federal government claims the unemployment rate for 2004 was 5.5% But the government’s “unemployment rate” statistic is a propaganda device. It does not count as “unemployed” people who are “not in the labor force.” According to economist Richard DuBoff, participation in the labor force by working-age males has been drifting downward for more than 40 years. Therefore, the government’s official “unemployment rate” is an increasingly misleading statistic.

According to the government’s own 2004 statistics, the civilian non-institutional population of United States males, age 16 and over, was 107.7 million people. Of those 107.7 million males, 14.7 million were estimated to be age 65 or over. Therefore, the number of men between 16 and 64, which traditionally constitutes this nation’s workforce, was 93 million.

Of those 93 million men, the government admits that 4.4 million of them are unemployed. And when I say unemployed, I mean utterly and completely inactive. The government considers someone “employed” if they work as little as one hour a week. People who do not even work one hour a week are still considered “employed” if they are “temporarily absent” from work.

Snip ......

http://www.exilemm.com/e-sub-realunemployment.shtml
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:39 PM
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1. nice find! but sad :-(
:-(
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:44 PM
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2. it is a propaganda tool
which leads me to this...anybody who has some detailed research
into the latest craze...which is the manipulation of statistics
by "our" government and we already know about it from Enron and
Monsanto (the corporate lie game)...please post.

They make it a great paper chase of BS to figure out what's really
going on in layman's terms and of course our corporate media
never tackles statistical manipulation.
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blueheeler Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:48 PM
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3. I do not like the idea of quoting them....
Search around the site and see homophobia, dumbing down of "christians", and segregating themselves from the rest of us.

"Those in eXile shall not respect, or even tolerate, the advocates or practitioners of abortion, homosexuality or "feminism". These acts or beliefs are intrinsically evil, and tend to negate the Christian institution of family."


"Higher education" is in general a waste of time and especially money. Academia offers more sophisticated propaganda than that offered by the media; at is highest levels it is a proving ground for the next generation of elites. Today, the great works of Classical and European Christian civilization are more accessible outside academia. In general, Christians should have nothing to do with academia. The only exception, and it is an important exception, is for Christians who pursue technical/scientific training likely to be useful to the eXilic communities. Wherever possible, such students should attend Christian institutions of higher learning, e.g. Patrick Henry College"

"eXile is a call to faith and a call to action.

The call to faith is a call to Jesus Christ, first, last and always.

The call to action asks Christians to decide, to commit and to fight. It asks our enemies to repent and convert. We shall no longer debate them.

To fight the evil is not the same as to take up arms against it. We may fight the evil simply by refusing to support it. By withdrawing our support and separating ourselves from the evil, we also preserve the good from corruption.

eXile proposes various nonviolent actions of withdrawing support and separation. These have been distilled into the "Four Steps on the Way to eXile".

These people are pretty loony!!:freak:
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:52 PM
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6. Link to those quotes
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:50 PM
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4. One question: What about women in the workforce???
They talk about statistics for men in the work force, but I ask you: Where are the statistics for women? Do they not count on this website?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:50 PM
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5. I've questioned this before. How would I be classified?
I worked consistently since I was 16 years old. I had to quit my job in 1998 to care for my mother in another state. She passed away in 2000.I also have neuropathy which has made it impossible for me to drive anynore, so, although I would love to go to work every day, but because we don't have any bus service in my area, I can't even apply for a job. I'm 61 now, but do they consider me unemployed, or am I completely out of the calculation? The latter, I bet!

If I am out of the calculation, what about the others who lost their jobs, exhausted unemployment, and have simply given up on looking?

I have never trusted the unemployment figures. I think they use way to many assumptions that are wrong.
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:18 PM
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8. I noticed that women were lacking
from their statistics as well (is it because they don't think women should work? bad for "family values"?)

I found myself agreeing with most of the stuff on that page right up until it got to the Kyoto Protocol...it went decidedly downhill from there as it went into "our government is against Christians".

Our government should be neither for nor against ANY religion.

(I'm not Christian).

Olaf
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:01 PM
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7. I Have to Agree with Most of His Points
All the following have very real employment consequences:

1. Federal Trade Policy
2. Federal Monetary Policy
3. Federal Immigration Policy
4. Federal Antitrust Policy
5. Federal Tax Policy (Social Security)
6. Federal Environmental Policy

Reducing jobs doesn't always mean bad policy, of course. The author seems to be against Social Security, or at least not believe that higher taxes have supported the system. And pollution is a bad trade-off for a few more jobs.

What is that 23% number, though? Is that M-6 (which I think is about 18%), plus underemployed people? I couldn't find those numbers in the links.

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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:09 AM
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9. This guy may have a point. But his a total nutcase gasbag.
Sure the unemployment rate is well above the stated rate.

But almost everything else on his site is bs. He still thinks GATT is around. He thinks the Kyoto treaty is horrid. He thinks we're all out to de-christianize the world.
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