Kerry Says He's Not Ruling Out Another Run (but check the still counting

[Florida_Geek]

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Kerry.html?oref=login

November 17, 2004
Kerry Says He's Not Ruling Out Another Run
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 9:33 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. John Kerry, who has $45 million left from his record-breaking Democratic campaign, hinted on Tuesday that he may try again for the presidency.

On his first workday back in the Senate since losing his White House bid, Kerry remained far from the spotlight, granting interviews to hometown reporters and joining the depleted corps of Democrats as they elected the party's new Senate leaders.

In his first extensive interview since his Nov. 2 defeat, Kerry was asked by the Fox News affiliate in Boston about running again in 2008 and reminded the questioner that Ohio is still counting votes from 2004.

..more at AP

[BootinUp]

1. Good plan, squirrel away the money for a rainy day.

someone explain to me why he didn't spend that money?

[ClassWarrior]

2. I tend to give JK the benefit of the doubt...

...but I still wish he'd cough up $100,000 for the Greens' efforts in Ohio.

NGU.

[emulatorloo]

3. Probably can't legally do it. . .

although I am not a lawyer, I can't imagine that it would be legal for him to do this. Am also thinking he needs it still as apparently Kerry lawyers are on the ground, and if it looks like it warrants it, he will need to pay for a recount.

[ozymandius]

5. The recount is a certainty.

It is "paid for" through the efforts of the Kerry campaign, Nader, the Greens, etc. This was announced yesterday.

[proudbluestater]

12. Just heard from David Corn of the Green Party on TV

He was on Democracy Now. He did not say there was any money coming from the Kerry campaign. He sits on a reported 51 million in leftover funds, as opposed to Al Gore's reported leftover 3 million in 2000.

Votecorn.org is soliciting donations for the Ohio recount. He definitely said the Kerry campaign/DNC has not kicked in on any recounts thus far.

He also said he doesn't CARE who wins. He wants whoever got the most votes to win and that we should be assured that the election system is not fraudulent. He has received "thousands of reports" of voting problems and blames the major media for trying to stifle the discussion.

Unless somebody from the DNC opens their mouth and says they are helping out here, I'm writing them to ask for a refund. I don't want them to use it for yet another "next time" if there is evidence Bush stole the thing TWICE. No more donations to the Dems for me. NONE.

[Eloriel]

20. David Cobb is his name -- Link to transcript here

Kerry not helping with recount funding in swing states
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=998356#998493
Transcript link: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/17/1525203

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[msgadget]

25. The DNC doesn't want to look ridiculous by associating with a recount

But I'm sure they'll come out of the woodwork when there's concrete evidence of fraud or tampering, saying it was all a plan, that they were secretly involved all along and will fight for their people.
:boring:

I respect the men who took the risk of being derided, the Independents.

[JudyM]

45. Same here. they asked for money in the final week and I gave

want that back to donate to BBV. Thinking about contacting the credit card company and then writing the Kerry campaign to let them know why.

[Zorra]

17. It appears that Blackwell may try to stop the recount:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=994815

[rodeodance]

7. agreed!!!

[LoZoccolo]

4. Probably could have went quite a way towards...

...at least keeping a media presence during the swift boater nonsense.

[CindyDale]

8. I don't know that much about this stuff but

I think he had to spend it before the Democratic convention or he couldn't spend it on this campaign. After the convention, he could only use public funds.

OK, here is a page that explains it, I think:

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/campaign_finance_fed07.html

Cindy

[Kolesar]

19. Thanks for remembering that ... I was a little frosted for a minute

That was the time when he was giving money to the DCCC and DSCC, too.

[RamboLiberal]

32. Ok -- but I seem to remember Bushie and Rove

were running ads before the convention that helped paint Kerry as a flip-flopper in the dumb-ass voters minds. Why didn't he use some more of that 45 million countering those ads?

I'm sorry but if I'm contributing to a candidate I want him to use most of his ammo not sit on it!

[sandnsea]

6. Maybe he is

There are lawyers in Ohio still. Maybe they are spending some of that money. Maybe there are bills due for the last couple of weeks of advertising. I wish people would wait until the final financial reports come out to draw conclusions.

[PeteGammons]

9. Are you fucking kidding me?!?!

$45 million dollars left over? You mean I contributed to this fucking dreadful candidate that Iowa and NH gave us, and he just left it in the fucking bank?!!!??!?

[progressiveBadger]

11. Dreadful?

uhhhh.....

[PeteGammons]

13. Yes.

Why? Do you think he was a good candidate?

[youspeakmylanguage]

42. Kerry was a wonderful candidate

He was a wonderful candidate. He is intelligent, honest, caring, and above all a dedicated public servant. Don't forget war, then anti-war, hero. Don't blame him because 51% of the country is paranoid and/or homophobic.

When you donated your money, just as I and thousands of others did, you handed it over with no strings but the legal ones attached. I imagine the money wasn't spent so it could be saved for a potential legal battle over the results of the election. Unlike most Americans, he saved for a rainy day.

I hope he runs again, and I hope this time he comes out swinging and keeps swinging until chimpy's brother, or whoever the neocons decide to appoint, goes down for the count.

[PeteGammons]

49. Give me a break

Wonderful candidate? What were you watching? As a resident of Massachusetts, I've been watching this guy for years, and I'll say it again (and again and again) - as a national candidate, he was dreadful. Awful. Terrible. He's an arrogant blue-blood gigolo with no connection whatsoever to "the common man".

"He is intelligent, honest, caring, and above all a dedicated public servant." Right. Just like Michael Dukakis, who he served under as Lieut. Gov. Shall we run the Duke again next time?

Yes, he's intelligent. Yes, he's got the right positions on the issues. Yes, he'd be a good president, probably a very good president, certainly infinitely better than the current incumbent. But none of that makes him a good candidate. Which he wasn't, isn't and won't ever be. Every time he tried to "connect" to the voters in the red states, he sounded like he was talking down to them. Which he was. "Can I get me a hunting license here?" Again, give me a big fat fucking break.

"Don't blame him because 51% of the country is paranoid and/or homophobic."

I don't blame him for their shortcomings. But if he knows that they're out there and have those shortcomings, then he's got to try to find a way to win them over. He didn't. He was not capable of it.

Obviously, if we had some objective panel assessing candidates, then he's a great candidate. But we don't. A presidential candidate has to connect to enough average "'mericans" to get enough votes to win. Yeah, most of 'em are dumb. You've still gotta connect to 'em. Kerry was absolutely incapable of that. His candidacy had "disaster" written all over it.

[youspeakmylanguage]

70. One question...

...who do you think would have been a better candidate? Gephardt? Dean? Hillary Clinton? NONE of those people would have done a better job than Kerry, and it's probable that more than a few of them would have done worse. It's just a simple fact that we don't have anyone who would make an excellent, thrillingly-viable presidential candidate. I like Howard Dean, and I would like to see him become chairman of the DNC. But he never would have been elected president in this political climate.

I live in North Carolina, and myself and fellow liberals would LOVE to have a senator such as Kerry. After years of racists, xenophobes, and otherwise we'd probably build him a golden idol. So don't take for granted who you have serving your state.

[youspeakmylanguage]

71. BTW, just to set the record straight...

...I am an unabashed fan of Senator Kerry. He represents almost everything I want to see in a politician. So you can debate me all day and night but I'll stand up for him.

[PeteGammons]

73. You're entitled to your opinion

...and I'm entitled to mine. I think Kerry would be a great president. Unfortunately, you have to win the presidency to get to be president. And I think he's an awful national candidate.

[youspeakmylanguage]

74. ...and you're right, to a point

He wasn't the strongest national candidate. I wouldn't go so far as to saw awful. But I still say there was no one else more electable on the Democratic side.

[Clarkie1]

65. He will never be nominated again by this democratic party

Time for new leadership. Perhaps Kerry should consider donating the $51 million to the democratic nominee in 08', or to congressional races in 06' if he has any sense of integrity.

That amount of money still in the bank is absolutely shocking and inexcusable, in my opinon. People expected him to use their hard-earned cash to do everything possible to defeat Bush, and either he or someone in his campaign really screwed up.

[BootinUp]

14. yes, I was

there was heavy sarcasm in my previous post. ;)

[GingerSnaps]

69. How much does * have left over and where is the money at right now?

:shrug:

[BuelahWitch]

76. Sorry, I have to break into the political discussion

to say what adorable kitties those are! :loveya:

[Clarkie1]

64. Well, I'm am certainly glad I did not donate to the Kerry campaign

That's pretty fradulent to have $45 million still the bank. I'd be really pissed if I'd donated my hard-earned $$$.

[Flint-oid]

10. Still counting in Ohio, and NH, and NMexico..

and soon, hopefully, Florida

[info being]

15. I'm starting to actually hate Kerry

[PeteGammons]

18. You must not be from Massachusetts...

...or you would have started doing it long ago. ;)

[Lizzie Borden]

58. Depends on who you are.

What family I have left always votes for Kerry. They vote for Kennedy too. That will probably piss you off even more.

[PeteGammons]

59. No, I do too.

They run unopposed in the primaries and effectively unopposed in the general. But there's a difference between liking his positions and liking him. He's thoroughly unlikable.

[Dark Secret]

16. No "Doubts" No Recount Effort by Kerry = No Support Ever Again n/t

[__Inanna__]

22. Ditto n/t

[Larkspur]

21. John, go away! I won't vote for you a 2nd time

You already proved you were unelectible, so go back to oblivion where you belong.

[bunny planet]

23. How quickly they turn. Have some faith people, you sound like John O'neil.

Kerry is an honorable man. Stop trashing your own candidate. Stop eating your own. Have some faith. I'll eat my own tin foil hat if I'm wrong about him.

[DulceDecorum]

26. How quickly he folded. Even worse than Ross Perot.

Is that all you get for your money?"
It seems such a waste of time.
If that's what it's all about...
Momma, if that's moving up, than I'm moving out.
-- Billy Joel

[Larkspur]

46. I was never FOR Kerry to begin with.

I voted for him out of my ABB feelings, not because I was FOR Kerry. Kerry supported a war I strongly opposed, and I had to hold my nose and vote for that rotten kreep. Next time, if he's the Dem nominee, he will not get my vote, nor will any DLC approved candidate.

[fidgeting wildly]

27. I hardly think he was unelectable.

It took massive fraud and voter suppression on the part of Bushco to beat him. Think what you want to about John Kerry, but unelectable he was not.

[PeteGammons]

33. I do

I've thought so all along. He's a fucking elitist. You can have the right positions on the issues, and still come across as out-of-touch IF YOU ARE! I've never seen a campaign more tone-deaf than Kerry's. I think it's a fucking miracle, and a tribute to how awful the smirking chimp is, that the election ended up as close as it did.

And I don't believe that there was "massive fraud." And to claim that the highest turnout election in a generation featured any significant amount of "voter suppression" is just silly. Kerry lost because the chimp got more votes, and he got more votes because Kerry came across as a complete and total fraud, an out-of-touch elitist. "Can I get me a hunting license here?" Give me a fucking break. What an asshole. Fucking blue-blood, out-of-touch, elitist, "do you know who I am" gigolo. He was a fucking disaster as a national candidate.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

50. In case you didn't notice there WAS massive voter suppression

in Ohio, New Mexico, FLorida, and ALL directed at Democrats.
Kerry probably would have beaten Bus in Ohio handily were it not for it.
He was a good candidate. Bush is the elitist asshole.

[PeteGammons]

55. No, I didn't notice it.

Maybe you could describe it to me, the nefarious techniques by which hundreds of thousands of willing voters were prevented from casting their legitimate ballots, with some supporting evidence. Because I assume that would be a news story, and I haven't seen it, even from the likes of Olberman who are peddling the bogus fraud stories...

[tblue37]

68. Richard Nixon lost the first time he ran for president.

Then he won in a landslide. Losing once, especially in a fraudulent election, doesn't prove him to be unelectable.

[VegasWolf]

24. Forget it John, you showed that you have no spine. Can't even

fight for a recount. Now, I'm starting to really
wonder what you would do with terrorism?

[bunny planet]

28. Have I accidently wandered into Freeperville, or ....

Is this a circular firing squad? The votes haven't even been counted and certified yet in Ohio, there is going to be a recount, and Kerry is waiting before he exposes his flank. It is the wiser thing to do in this case.

[PeteGammons]

30. And was it wiser...

..for him to leave $45 million dollars in the bank instead of spending it campaigning?

As for a "circular firing squad", I don't care whether it's circular or not. He was a dreadful candidate, and I'm still pissed off at the cowards in Iowa and NH that gave him to us. I contributed for the general election, but he was up against an unelected chimp who had lost jobs and gotten us involved in a quagmire in the middle east, a moron who can't speak two words in English without a grammatical error, who "couldn't spell cat if you spotted him the 'c' and the 'a'", and he still lost. Because he's a lousy candidate, and always was.

[Native]

60. You certainly give new meaning to the word "blowhard"

Give it a rest, will ya?

[LittleClarkie]

63. As I see this thread pop back up today

Hey Pete, we didn't have all the facts yesterday, ya notice? Not $45, but $17 million.

I wonder what the new total will be tomorrow.

AND I don't actually care that you're from Mass. I don't appreciate the Republican talking points coming from the newbie.

I like Kerry. I support Kerry. This is where I stay (drops anchor).

[kerstin]

67. Me too.

[VegasWolf]

31. No, it's not Freeperville and not a circular firing squad. Kerry is

showing no guts or leadership on a the critical issue
of vote fraud. If "black box" voting is not resolved
all future elections are in doubt. A lot of us were
Dean supporters, but thanks to NH and VT we never got
a chance. We supported Kerry as he was our chimpanzee fighter,
but now he is showing no spine.

[Broken Acorn]

29. Seriously...

if Kerry threw his hat back into the ring right now without evidence of fraud, etc. he would be hammered, ridiculed, laughed at, hated (and yes loved by Dems).

Reason with yourselves and think logically...he will fight for us when the time comes, and it WILL come!

[VegasWolf]

34. The time HAS come, if Kerry doesn't fight voter fraud he has no

spine. No one is ridiculing and "hating" the green
party candidates for challenges. The repukes have
done way more than their fair share of challenging
election results.

[uppityperson]

41. I hate to tell you but he is ridiculed and laughed at now.

I am disappointed but willing to let the recounting go on before dissing Kerry. If it turns out he really did just roll over and not fight for us in the end, then I will be very vocally upset. As it is, I don't know what's going on and will wait and see.

[lojasmo]

35. Kerry will not get my support

Neither will Clinton, Edwards, Lieberman or any other DINO who supported the following:

IWR
Patriot Act
NCLB

These three pieces of legislation are the three most regressive POS to have happened to our country in 40 years.

Anybody who didn't oppose them is not fit to be called a democrat.

I will actively campaign against Kerry if he runs again.

[bunny planet]

36. Kerry isn't the only one who's been silent

Don't you find it odd that even Al Sharpton, and the Congressional Black Caucus has been silent about this. Either something's going on behind the scenes or all of these people have collectively lost their spines simultaneously, I just don't buy it.

[ruthg]

37. I still think they may be....

playing it very smart by keeping quiet.

But what do I know? Kerry has gotta know about the strength of a grass roots movement(Viet Nam Vets Against the War!).. I think maybe when the time is right .... that he will be there.

Perhaps this is all wishful thinking on my part...

but I am old, and I remember Watergate really really really well....

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

38. Won't ever get another vote out of me.

Losing to Bush is pretty pathetic. His efforts were ridiculous and phony. Only reason he even came close was his opponent was such a evil loser.

[freemarketer]

39. I'm a Republican conservative who voted for Kerry because I hated

Bush. But I would never vote for Kerry again; he's the closest thing to an empty shirt I have ever seen.

[truthisfreedom]

44. i'm a liberal Democrat who says Kerry fills his shirt a lot better than

"lump in the back" bush.

[halobeam]

40. I'm waiting until this is all over before I trash

anyone. I don't get how loyalists can trash their own...oh wait, loyalists don't. If it shows in the end that Kerry did this smartly and did do everything he could behind the scenes, I will think twice about coming back here. Seems too many people are making judgements before it's ultimately over. With supporters like this, who needs the opposition.

[Voltaire99]

54. Wise up, Mr. Loyalist

Jesus doesn't want you for a sunbeam; you could spend the time thinking, rather than simply waiting.

Look here:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1105-32.htm

[Native]

61. Well said.

I feel like I'm reading a thread at Free Republic.

[mom cat]

43. We need more than coy hints from Kerry..We need leadership.

Until then, work on the recount.

[youspeakmylanguage]

47. Speak softly...

For those of you that wanted Kerry to shout and scream (and we all know how much some of you like screaming candidates), just remember what position this party is in. WE DO NOT HAVE THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF A MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! We live in a republic, and electoral college or no electoral college we are going to continue to lose elections until we figure out how to get mainstream America to realize our values should be their values. If you don't believe me, then consider the fact that Florida or Ohio wouldn't be the electoral kingpins that they were if we had more support in rural America.

This does not mean we should compromise or back down from fights, but raising hell over "fraud" when there is no proof widespread fraud tainted this election will only alienate more of the American people.

There are people working hard, at this very minute, to determine what happened during this election. If there is evidence of widespread fraud I will shout from the rooftops and storm the streets like the rest of you. Until that happens we're only making ourselves look exactly how the neocons like Limbaugh and O'Reilly want us to look - out of the mainstream.

I know all of us are pissed and hurt about the election. Believe me, as an ardent Kerry supporter I'm not exactly jumping for joy over the fact that my candidate will probably never be president. But all of us need to be concerned about the future. And getting into pissing matches over what Kerry should have done or didn't do isn't going to do the trick. Getting into pissing matches over red states and blue states and how stupid southerners are isn't going to do the trick. It's only going to lead to the eventual dismantlement of our two-party system and then we really will lose our country.

If you have no interest in regaining these hearts and minds, then you really should move out of the country or join a commune. Give up. If you are interested in regaining control of our government and really advancing progressive ideals, then please, stop fighting start planning for the future. It's our only hope.

[Javaman]

48. Take that money and give it to the DNC, then support someone else...

He throws in the towel at the drop of a hat, doesn't spend a dime looking into the fraud, has a battery of lawyers eager to pound but never gave them any instructions what to do, no plan folks. I supported this guy, gave him my money, still have his bumper sticker on my car, but for the life of me, it's like he took a quick vacation after he conceeded, instead of doing what he stated, about looking into the voting problems.
John, here is some advice, go back to the hill, fight the good fight but give our money that you didn't spend to someone else in 2008. I don't know for the life of me what the hell he's holding on to it for?

[Barkley]

53. I heard on KPFK Kerry has $50 million left over!

Dave Cobb of the Greens made this claim on Amy Goodman's show Democracy Now!

Cobb, the Green Party candidate for president and the Libertiarians raised 150,000 to demand a recount in ohio.

If this is true I won't be voting for Kerry in 2008 even if Cheney
is the alternative.

I won't for Hilary either, even it Cheney is the alternative.

Until the Democrats get backbone, they won't get my vote.

[bunny planet]

57. Can't we leave the judgemental preaching to the Republicans.

I don't believe Kerry is an elitist. I'm old enough to remember Vietnam ( I was a teenager and very active against the war) and Kerry's bravery in standing up to that administration was nothing short of inspirational. No elitist would have done that, no elitist would have served on a Swift Boat to begin with, he could have easily been in the same Champagne unit of the National Guard as His Fraudulency.

The biggest thing I thing Kerry did wrong in this campaign is to walk into the trap the Republicans set for him with the Swift Boat liars. He did not go with his keener instincts (and ignore his advisors) and fight back tooth and nail. His public persona was stiff but my gut tells me that that was not who he is. People who saw him speak live at rallies have said he was warm and personable. He couldn't have landed a woman like Teresa if he was a the wimp you all seem to be so ready to lable him as. If are we are being honest here, and look back at how down and out he was in this campaign after the Swifties had gotten through with him, he came back quite strongly in the end. I think he won, of course, which would negate the idea of him being a bad candidate.

Kerry may also have been unable to fathom the ability of this administration to out and out steal this election, and that is Kerry's biggest flaw in this campaign as far as I can see. I think he was warned about their plans to steal it with the BBV, and Teresa was interested but Kerry wasn't believing it would or could happen. I heard someone tell this story somewhere, I believe it was Palast. This naivete on Kerry's part is really unfortunate, if true, but he should not be vilified here this way. Honorable people sometimes have trouble getting into the same mindset as the unscupulous people they are up against. Whether Kerry is actually laying down, or rolling over, remains to be seen. I will reserve my judgement of him until I see all of this play out.

It is really disheartening and disrespectful to those of us here who actually were voting for Kerry, because we believed in him, and not just because he was ABB. I've only just joined this board and I'm already feeling a divisiveness (at least on this thread) which is counterproductive to all of our best interests. Kerry would have been tarred and feathered (as Randi just said) if he had brought up questions right smack in the middle of Bush's perfectly timed assault on Falluja. Think people please, put aside your judgements and just see what happens here.

[haunce]

51. Kerry

I sure hope he does run in 08:toast:

[Voltaire99]

52. I'd give better odds to a baby seal on a beach surrounded by hunters...

...than to this hopeless Bush-lite wimp running again.

But let's not lay all the blame at his feet. If the party hasn't been reinvented in four years' time into a machine ready to fight and fight hard for economic populism, it will be even more irrelevant than now. And the results shall be even more lopsided in favor of the GOP.

GOP-lite is finished, folks, and so is John Kerry.

For those in need of a primer, see this recent New York Times essay by Thomas Frank, "Why They Won":

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1105-32.htm

[ricfl]

56. remember, this election is not over.

It is in Kerri's best interest to keep a low profile and let these recounts take place. I have a feeling he knows something most of us don't know. If the Ohio recount shows a different outcome. I'm sure he is going to need that money to fight the neo-con dogs.

[PATRICK]

75. Different than 2000

Gore fought the tarbaby and I can argue that there never was a chance. Both sides learned different lessons from that. Namely the GOP made it harder to do a Gore fight and AGAIN the media was programmed never to take the challenger side even against blatant and suspicious fraud.

Kerry saw defeat in the GOP controlled recounts was not only inevitable but might actually worsen the other types of challenges and recounts. I can see a few instances where a lockdown recount would have stymied timely investigations.

IF(and there is no overt evidence or hint of hope this was the case) Kerry wanted to free BBV investigations via the FOIA and other recounts conceding actually might have been a tactic. I would think that as a predictable outcome a more total strategy would have been brought to bear. I was hoping that polls and aggressiveness would have made some cheaters back down. That really was not happening nearly enough. The relentlessness and poise of the administration was a giveaway not to expect a simple exit poll to check the fraud.

Yet I cannot read anymore into it other than the Kerry team was simply blindsided and shut down by the election night logic of the above and there was no viable plan other than deluging the polls. A lot of short posters seem to be probing or teasing on this "theory" of a secret plan such as no other Democrat has ever satisfied when disbelief at their ineffectuality would tolerate no other answer. So much evidence is being lost and dwindling away that one has to wonder just what rabbit is left to pull out of the hat than Bev Harris or Ralph Nader are currently doing in frighteningly unsupported actions.

If Kerry does strike, it would seem to me a belated support of others for the sake of his future viability OR a devastating hammer blow that will take down the whole RW shebang. I doubt whether the lurkers here even fear that latter could be true. But I can well imagine and I can point out disturbing evidence for my wishful thinking that would create a few nightmares on the other side. I won't share them because they just might be true.

At the least I think Kerry should be called upon to help us dismantle the vote fraud and machinery apparatus with what we have gathered already AND oppose- for God's sake-the new panacea of online voting which IS still coming via the Pentagon.

[lies and propaganda]

62. no thanks....

I didnt want to support him, but eventually felt no other choice. Atthe end, i was left feeling disappointed and pissed off.

He could run all over the world, hes done in my book.

[Clarkie1]

66. If anyone did donate by credit card I certainly would dispute the charges

if it were me. This would seem to be valid grounds for doing so.

All I know is Clark spent every penny he had raised in the primary, so I know my money was not wasted there.

[youspeakmylanguage]

72. I can't believe this is still up for debate...

The issue is crystal-clear to me. Kerry saved the money and set it aside for a potential legal nightmare that could have happened if there was widespread fraud and irregularities immediately following the election. How much hell would you people have raised if that did happen and Kerry-Edwards had no money saved? There would be huge fund raising drives, you would have had to shell out more money and there certainly would have been grumbling about how unprepared the campaign was for this scenario, which appeared to be more than likely.

In case you haven't been paying attention, Kerry is RICH. Edwards is RICH. Your money will eventually go back to progressive and democrat campaigns. They're certainly not going to keep it for themselves.

Arguments like this will only divide us at a time when our survival as a party and a movement depend on us being united.