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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:20 AM
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Vote fraud investigators visit Volusia
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 07:47 AM by sled
Vote fraud investigators visit Volusia

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Politics/Headlines/03PoliticsPOL03111704.htm

Staff Report

Last update: November 17, 2004

For those who thought the 2004 election was over: Surprise.

Representatives of a Seattle-based organization investigating possible
election fraud visited the Volusia County elections department Tuesday
after being provided reprints of voting machine records instead of
originals.

The activist group, Black Box Voting, is conducting investigations of
voting records throughout the United States, said Bev Harris, its
executive director. Volusia County is its first Florida stop.

"We just look at it as an audit," she said Tuesday afternoon as a
British documentary crew filmed officials securing records for review
today.

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Dem Agog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:20 AM
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1. I love you Bev...
:D
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:39 AM
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2. copyright
Please snip your article to four paragraphs per DU copyright rules.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:57 AM
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3. GO TO BEV'S WEBSITE VOLUSIA IS IN LOCKDOWN AFTER STRUGGLE
TUESDAY NOV 16 2004: Volusia County on lockdown
County election records just got put on lockdown
Dueling lawyers, election officials gnashing teeth, Votergate.tv film crew catching it all.
Here's what happened so far:
Friday Black Box Voting investigators Andy Stephenson and Kathleen Wynne popped in to ask for some records. They were rebuffed by an elections official named Denise. Bev Harris called on the cell phone from investigations in downstate Florida, and told Volusia County Elections Supervisor Deanie Lowe that Black Box Voting would be in to pick up the Nov. 2 Freedom of Information request, or would file for a hand recount. "No, Bev, please don't do that!" Lowe exclaimed. But this is the way it has to be, folks. Black Box Voting didn't back down.
Monday Bev, Andy and Kathleen came in with a film crew and asked for the FOIA request. Deanie Lowe gave it over with a smile, but Harris noticed that one item, the polling place tapes, were not copies of the real ones, but instead were new printouts, done on Nov. 15, and not signed by anyone.
Harris asked to see the real ones, and they said for "privacy" reasons they can't make copies of the signed ones. She insisted on at least viewing them (although refusing to give copies of the signatures is not legally defensible, according to Berkeley elections attorney, Lowell Finley). They said the real ones were in the County Elections warehouse. It was quittin' time and an arrangment was made to come back this morning to review them.
Lana Hires, a Volusia County employee who gained some notoriety in an election 2000 Diebold memo, where she asked for an explanation of minus 16,022 votes for Gore, so she wouldn't have to stand there "looking dumb" when the auditor came in, was particularly unhappy about seeing the Black Box Voting investigators in the office. She vigorously shook her head when Deanie Lowe suggested going to the warehouse.
Kathleen Wynne and Bev Harris showed up at the warehouse at 8:15 Tuesday morning, Nov. 16. There was Lana Hires looking especially gruff, yet surprised. She ordered them out. Well, they couldn't see why because there she was, with a couple other people, handling the original poll tapes. You know, the ones with the signatures on them. Harris and Wynne stepped out and Volusia County officials promptly shut the door.
There was a trash bag on the porch outside the door. Harris looked into it and what do you know, but there were poll tapes in there. They came out and glared at Harris and Wynne, who drove away a small bit, and then videotaped the license plates of the two vehicles marked 'City Council' member. Others came out to glare and soon all doors were slammed.
So, Harris and Wynne went and parked behind a bus to see what they would do next. They pulled out some large pylons, which blocked the door. Harris decided to go look at the garbage some more while Wynne videotaped. A man who identified himself as "Pete" came out and Harris immediately wrote a public records request for the contents of the garbage bag, which also contained ballots -- real ones, but not filled out.
A brief tug of war occurred, tearing the garbage bag open. Harris and Wynne then looked through it, as Pete looked on. He was quite friendly.
Black Box Voting collected various poll tapes and other information and asked if they could copy it, for the public records request. "You won't be going anywhere," said Pete. "The deputy is on his way."
Yes, not one but two police cars came up and then two county elections officials, and everyone stood around discussing the merits of the "black bag" public records request.
The police finally let Harris and Wynne go, about the time the Votergate.tv film crew arrived, and everyone trooped off to the elections office. There, the plot thickened.
Black Box Voting began to compare the special printouts given in the FOIA request with the signed polling tapes from election night. Lo and behold, some were missing. By this time, Black Box Voting investigator Andy Stephenson had joined the group at Volusia County. Some polling place tapes didn't match. In fact, in one location, precinct 215, an African-American precinct, the votes were off by hundreds, in favor of George W. Bush and other Republicans.
Hmm. Which was right? The polling tape Volusia gave to Black Box Voting, specially printed on Nov. 15, without signatures, or the ones with signatures, printed on Nov. 2, with up to 8 signatures per tape?
Well, then it became even more interesting. A Volusia employee boxed up some items from an office containing Lana Hires' desk, which appeared to contain -- you guessed it -- polling place tapes. The employee took them to the back of the building and disappeared.
Then, Ellen B., a voting integrity advocate from Broward County, Florida, and Susan, from Volusia, decided now would be a good time to go through the trash at the elections office. Lo and behold, they found all kinds of memos and some polling place tapes, fresh from Volusia elections office.
So, Black Box Voting compared these with the Nov. 2 signed ones and the "special' ones from Nov. 15 given, unsigned, finding several of the MISSING poll tapes. There they were: In the garbage.
So, Wynne went to the car and got the polling place tapes she had pulled from the warehouse garbage. My my my. There were not only discrepancies, but a polling place tape that was signed by six officials.
This was a bit disturbing, since the employees there had said that bag was destined for the shredder.
By now, a county lawyer had appeared on the scene, suddenly threatening to charge Black Box Voting extra for the time spent looking at the real stuff Volusia had withheld earlier. Other lawyers appeared, phoned, people had meetings, Lana glowered at everyone, and someone shut the door in the office holding the GEMS server.
Black Box Voting investigator Andy Stephenson then went to get the Diebold "GEMS" central server locked down. He also got the memory cards locked down and secured, much to the dismay of Lana. They were scattered around unsecured in any way before that.
Everyone agreed to convene tomorrow morning, to further audit, discuss the hand count that Black Box Voting will require of Volusia County, and of course, it is time to talk about contesting the election in Volusia.

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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:03 AM
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4. I AM NEW TO THE WEBSITE AND LOVE IT
Hello everyone:

I tried to post the above info about Volusia County being in lockdown. Bev posted it last night on her sight. I don't have enouph responses to threads to post it though. PLEASE ONE OF THE ADMINISTRTORS OR SOMEONE POST IT! SHOULD WE CONTACT LOCAL NEWS STATIONS? I LIVE IN FLORIDA IN LEE COUNTY.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:09 AM
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5. Welcome to DU!
And yes, contact the media, but don't get your hopes up!
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:07 AM
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11. Volusia County may cover it but believe me..The news Press here is known..
The news press here is known for it's Partisan opinions. I have sent the info to Kieth Oberman at MSNBC and emailed it to Jeff Fisher in FL.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:09 AM
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12. I am also from MA
South Shore.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:13 AM
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6. Here's the link to Bev's thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2704906

It shouldn't be posted again. That would just spread out discussion. And welcome to DU! :hi:
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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:32 AM
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8. COLLIER COUNTY, FL: Software glitch blamed for delay in election results
Hi Lee County, Collier's in the house.... Looks like we had our own "glitches", down in Naples...the Dems still had better turnout, than the Repubs, down here...Repubs less than 100%...the Dems 100%+...go figure... Where were the "evangelicals"???

*************************************************


Software glitch blamed for delay in election results

http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/news/article/0,2071,NPDN_14940_3303306,00.html

By CATHY ZOLLO
November 4, 2004

(SNIP)

The glitch went something like this:

Elections officials pulled voting information off the ES&S IVotronic
machines and fed it into the Dell computer where it would be made into
a report about voting results.

The Dell had been used to go through some dry runs ahead of balloting
on Tuesday, but those numbers were supposed to be deleted from the
machine, or "zeroed out." But a file containing numbers that had not
been deleted was added to the vote totals, throwing off the results.

The problem showed up when officials compared the first report off the
Dell with another report pulled together from the same sources of
information but on a different computer.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:05 AM
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10. Hi Collier and thanks for the warm welcome. I remember the quick
I remember the "quick" coverage regarding the "glitch" on election night. They reported that the raw data wasn't jiving with the Hardware. Doop! I went to the party for the Democratic Nominee Convention at Spectators in Bonita off of Bonita Springs Road. Did you go?

Robin
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:03 PM
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14. It's already been posted
several times, actually, I think:

***** Bev Harris in Volusia County Florida right now...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=55178#55288
Two of the local media links posted in the thread:
Pinellas ballot box sat ignored in office
http://stpetetimes.com/2004/11/16/Tampabay/Pinellas_ballot_box_s.shtml
Most provisional ballots rejected; voters often in wrong precinct
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2004/11/10/s1a_provisional_1110.html

*****Volusia County election records just got put on lockdown
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2704906

***** Bev Harris posts what happened in Volusia County
(also picked up by a number of alternative media -- see links) Also see post #25 for the other reason for purging of felons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=55989#56202


You can check here for what else you may have missed:

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

VOTE FRAUD Links Compendium - Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x3223

ALSO SEE: VOTE FRAUD? What can we do? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2701028#
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:09 PM
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16. Hi noclonyofthechimp!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:15 PM
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17. Hi there! Thaks! link @The PFTAW where you can send info to Media
I sent the info of what is going on over there to 5 tv stations and newspapers in Lee County, FL...Here is the link to go there in the future and post info asking for them to cover it. Anything helps. Maybe if we blast the whimps with the data they might think twice!

http://www.capwiz.com/pfaw/issues/alert/?alertid=6637391
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:17 PM
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18. The link allows you to put in your zip code and it comes up with media in
It then automatically sends it to their emails.
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ohtransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:23 PM
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15. With this kind of information
it makes no sense for the MSM not to cover this. No one?

Not even Geraldo? ;-)

Wouldn't some industrious, ambitious investigative reporter love to sink his/her teeth into this. No one?

How about a journalism or poly sci professor who charges grad students with conducting investigations as field work? No one?

Where are the DNC lawyers?

In reality, these folks should be buried in FOIA requests. Where's AP on this one? Still looking for *'s national guard files? Will they wait 30 yrs to request info on this one?

It's scary being a parent when your child asks you about our elections and the process. What can we tell them that won't scare them? Hell, the truth as it stands scares ME!
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:23 AM
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7. Thank you British documentary crew!
I feel we might get a gander at what they filmed soon.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:44 AM
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9. kick
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:47 AM
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13. Volusia County? Nah, Collusion County
If they have nothing to hide, why are they so desperate to hide it?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:42 PM
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19. Fraud Fraud Fraud!!! Everywhere!!!
You Go BEV and I like the British film crew!!!

:bounce:
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:21 PM
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20. Kick for Bev for kicking Repuketard arse! n/t
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:31 PM
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21. God Bless Bev and F*** the Demoquitters
Sure hope the DNC is just being stealthy and not the demoquitters they currently appear to be. What about all the money they raised from us for all the lawyers that were supposedly gonna make sure all the votes were counted? Were we just used? If I hear one more Demoquitter poo poo the obvious vote fraud.....grrrrr
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:02 PM
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22. grumpy old fart, then you don't want to hear about one of Kerry's lawyers
rolling his eyes yesterday about the voter fraud in a press conference! It's not looking pretty! Maybe it's just a front to keep the Repuketards off of them while they investigate, but....
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