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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:55 PM
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WP: The Skeptic (Chuck Hagel may run in 2008)
Sen. Chuck Hagel May Take His Blunt Brand of Politics Into the 2008 Presidential Race

Okay, now that the election is over, are you ready to talk about 2008? Chuck Hagel is.

The Republican senator from Nebraska has been thinking seriously about 2008 since he won reelection in 2002, and mulling a run for the White House even longer. He has a long history of doing, and getting, what he wants. He's ready -- well, ready to talk.

(snip)

Hagel, 58, is not your standard-issue politician. He is outspoken, does his own reading, thinking and even writing, and has the capacity to charm Nebraskans, foreigners, even Democrats. Richard Fellman, a liberal Democrat and professor at Hagel's alma mater, the University of Nebraska at Omaha, calls Hagel "the best Republican senator this state has had since George Norris," Nebraska's one certifiable political giant, who supported both Roosevelts and the New Deal.

Hagel is Nebraska's most popular politician. He polled 83 percent of the vote running for reelection two years ago, winning by the largest margin ever in a Nebraska Senate race. During three days touring the state last month, Hagel was repeatedly stopped on the street by passersby who wanted to shake his hand. Outside Memorial Stadium in Lincoln on the day the University of Nebraska football team played Baylor, dozens of fans draped in Cornhusker red walked up to say hello, many to salute his independence in Washington.


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50063-20...
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TimeToGo Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:58 PM
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1. Well
"He polled 83 percent of the vote running for reelection two years ago,"

using voting machines from his own company.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:02 PM
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3. Amazing coincidence.
Just amazing.
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:25 PM
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9. exactly! As far as I am concerned, anyone elected on these
machines is suspect. We need to IMMEDIATELY rid the country entirely of these unreliable, unverifiable pieces of S**t. There's too much 'important numbers crunching' done everyday to allow this wreckless, open to any whim of any entity's tampering. Who's to say that not more than one set of evils is at work here.

Why does that song 'I want to be your back door man' keep popping into my mind?
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On Par Donating Member (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:58 PM
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2. Doesn't Chucky Boy Also Partly Own....
....a nice chunk of Diebold Voting Machines?

Sounds like a match made at the voting booth.

OP
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camby Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:08 PM
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6. It's ES&S , but same difference
see this:
U.S. CHUCK HAGEL NOW ADMITS OWNERSHIP IN VOTING MACHINE COMPANY SENATE ETHICS COMMITTEE DIRECTOR RESIGNS

Hagels ethics filings pose disclosure issue -- The Hill 1/29/2003

On October, 10, 2002 Bev Harris, author of the upcoming Black Box Voting: Ballot-Tampering in the 21st Century, revealed that Republican Senator Chuck Hagel has ties to the largest voting machine company, Election Systems & Software (ES&S). She reported that he was an owner, Chairman and CEO of Election Systems & Software (called American Information Systems until name change filed in 1997). ES&S was the ONLY company whose machines counted Hagels votes when he ran for election in 1996 and 2002. The Hill, a Washington D.C. newspaper that covers the U.S. national political scene, confirmed her findings today and uncovered more details.

Hagels campaign finance director, Michael McCarthy, now admits that Senator Hagel still owns a beneficial interest in the ES&S parent company, the McCarthy Group. ES&S counts approximately 60 percent of all votes cast in the United States. According to the Omaha World-Herald which is also a beneficial owner of ES&S, Hagel was CEO of American Information Systems, now called ES&S, from November 1993 through June 2, 1994. He was Chairman from July 1992 until March 15 1995. He was required to disclose these positions on his FEC Personal Disclosure statements, but he did not.

Hagel still owns up to $5 million in the ES&S parent company, McCarthy Group. But Hagels office, when interviewed by Channel 8 News in Lincoln, Nebraska for the evening news on October 22, 2002, said he had sold his shares before he was elected. His office issued a fact sheet claiming that he had made full disclosure.

Last week, Hagels campaign finance director, Michael McCarthy (currently an owner and a director of ES&S) admitted to Alexander Bolton of The Hill that Hagel is still an owner of ES&S parent company, the McCarthy Group, and said that Hagel also had owned shares in AIS Investors Inc., a group of investors in ES&S itself. Yet Hagel did not disclose owning or selling shares in AIS Investors Inc. on his FEC documents, a required disclosure, nor did he disclose that ES&S is an underlying asset of McCarthy Group, in which he lists an investment of up to $5 million in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 06:12 AM
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18. Oh please. Hagel lied about ES&S stock ownership. Plus there was
no way he should have won his election. He was so far behind in the polls it was hard to figure out why he was running. Then all of a sudden, he wins by a huge margin. An unbelievably huge margin, if you get my drift.

Rats. I knew this was coming.
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lindashaw Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:08 PM
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8. No, I think it was his own company, ES&S, or something like that.
All of Nebraska uses his machines.
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hinachan Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:31 PM
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10. As a former Nebraskan....
I can tell you that his election reeks of voter fraud. Nebraskans have a history of electing Dems to balance the Repukes they like to put in the White House. Senator James Exon was in office there for years, for example. I've also heard about Nebraska voters bitching about how this guy got himself in office.

In other words, if he runs, it'll be 2000/2004 revisited. :mad:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:03 PM
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4. I've generally had a positive impression of him. For some reason,
I bet there is something that the Republican primary voters wont like - but I assume that because if I think he is ok, they must not.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:31 PM
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11. I like Hagel
Wouldn't vote for him. But it would make for a good race. Part of me, idealist that I am, would love to have a truly positive presidential campaign, with two honorable, well-respected, smart and reasonable persons running for President. Oh, sure, there would also have to be a clear contrast in views and agendas to make for a real discussion of issues.

Hagel strikes me as the type of Republican that could run in that kind of race.

But it's not gonna happen.

And yeah, the radical right will never trust Hagel, especially b/c while he's conservative, he's no fundie, and he is an internationalist in foreign policy.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:05 PM
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5. Isn't he a bit centrist for the hysterical reigning right?
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hinachan Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:34 PM
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12. ?!?!?
This is a guy who's so against abortion, his next move will be to try to make it illegal for women to have their periods, because they'll be killing the "unborn" by not having every single egg fertilized every month. For this, and a host of other reasons, Hagel makes me want to barf. :puke:
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:39 PM
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13. Well, yes, he's a conservative.
We're not going to agree on every issue, that's for sure. He does support many conservative initiatives that frankly, gross me out. But, like the article says,

"He believes in alliances and international institutions. He says the neoconservatives in the Bush administration have taken the country into a serious mess in Iraq while damaging our historic alliances. He has repeatedly criticized the management of the war in Iraq (which he voted to authorize), particularly the administration's unsuccessful efforts to spend the money Congress appropriated for rebuilding projects. At a Senate hearing this fall he said of the flummoxed rebuilding effort: "It's beyond pitiful, it's beyond embarrassing. It is now in the zone of dangerous."

And although has a high loyalty percentage to *, what he has voted agianst has been some of the most important, comprehensive parts of the * agenda.

He's conservative. No doubt. I don't agree with him in the least. But he's not one to defend * to the death like some in the GOP.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:08 PM
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7. at this point
Anyone not an extremist Republican is okay with me. I wouldn't mind seeing a Hagel-Warner matchup in 2008.
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DCdem87 Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:45 PM
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14. Look...
who cares who they put up to run. Lets look to who we are gonna put up there to kick some ass in '08....Will it be Hillary? Edwards? Gore? Kerry even? I would say Dean, but i want him to run the DNC--which would be a welcome change after McAuliffe.
This is the problem....we need not focus on these idiots, but rather build on our own liberal and progressive base across the country. I couldn't care less if they put up some backwoods populist conservative dumbell.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:46 PM
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15. He should be given a choice under law:
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 10:47 PM by countmyvote4real
Participate as an elective or participate in the elective machinery. You can't have it both ways.

Unfortunately, we don't have a law abou that.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:05 PM
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16. it is my opinion that Hagel would be our toughest challenger in '08
much more than Frist or Rudy (who probably couldn't even get nominated).
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 05:23 AM
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17. I agree
He is well spoken, disagrees with Bush often enough to give him the appearance of a maverick, and is physically attractive.

He won't win the primary I'd guess. Although he's really not a moderate, he gives off that vibe because he's not a dumbass.
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