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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:02 PM
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Delta to eliminate up to 6,900 jobs
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 04:02 PM by Javaman
CHICAGO - Delta Air Lines on Wednesday said it plans to cut between 6,000 and 6,900 jobs during the next 18 months, implement a 10 percent across-the-board pay reduction and reduce employee benefits in a bid to avoid bankruptcy.

Previously, the company said it needed to reduce staff by 7,000 in an effort to cut costs. Delta has more than 60,000 employees, according to its Web site.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6451222/
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:04 PM
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1. I'm sure the government will bail them out
with blue state money.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:06 PM
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Remember Jim Hightower....
said in one of his books that it wasn't too reassurring to know that your airline pilot (Captain) makes about the same salary as a kid working at McDonalds.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:52 PM
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12. Poorly paid pilots usually work for the smaller, commuter airlines
Not the big guys like Northwest and Delta.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:55 PM
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15. True
but Delta has those pilots in the Canadair RJs..........
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:06 PM
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2. just in time for Christmas!
and after a year or so, these people will give up looking for a job and will no longer be included in the unemployment numbers. Sweep 'em under the rug.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:31 PM
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6. Just the beginning of the "Year End Pink Slip" flood...
I would expect to see more of this across the board over the next month or so. Happy Holidays Everyone! :grr:
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malachi Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:54 PM
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13. Truly amazing that all these layoffs just happened to come too
late to damage the fuckin' war criminal monkey in the run up to the election.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:18 PM
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3. How many CEO's will take a reduction in pay/benefits?
:sounds of crickets chirping:

Didn't the Fed Gov't (read: You and I) bail out these airlines after 9/11 to the tune of several billion dollars because they were so broke, so mis-managed, so quickly trailing down the tubes because of TERRORISM (when the reality is that these airlines were facing bankrupcy LONG before 9/11, but how conveeeenient that 9/11 came along and gave them a proper excuse for their miserable existance!!!)

So we bailed them out then. What happened to all the money? Didn't they lay off a few gazillion workers, and cut pay and benefits back then too, you know, to justify the federal gov't bailout?

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The Airlines and Government need to decide what the relationship between them is going to be. I see two choices:

1) The airlines STOP receiving government bail-outs. They either sink or swim (fly or drop like a stone). Not too many other industries get the BILLIONS of dollars that Airlines do. In fact, I see many storefronts in my local town with FOR LEASE signs in the windows---why? Some of them I'm sure are because of bad business, bad bookkeeping, the owners eating up too much profit for personal gain instead of putting it into their business. But the Gov't doesn't help out TINY TOWN CLEANERS---that small business is left to rot. Airlines, on the otherhand, can pretty much do whatever they want, have the worst managment possible, and still get their hiney's wiped by the Gov't

or

2) The government goes back to regulation of the Airlines and controlls EVERYTHING. If the Gov't (read, you and I) have such a financial stake in the airline industry, then there should be some regulations placed on that industry---wage caps for CEO's, iron-clad contracts for workers, etc.

The airlines can't have it both ways---Give us money (when we're poor) but don't you DARE put any conditions on how we run our business when we give you that money.

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My husband and I are AVID travellers. I love to travel, but I hate to fly. My Mother in Law was a flight attendant for SEVERAL decades and she just can't stand how low the quality of air travel is today compared to X years ago (i'm only 28, so I have no memories/knowledge of the "good old days" of flying). But who can blame the flight attendants for being snotty when they're constantly threatened with the idea of loss of benefits, cuts in pay, layoffs always looming over their heads.

The "powers that be" at the Airline Industries have ALWAYS put profits above customers. They have decreased the seat width so that they could cram more people into the Cattle Car once known as Economy Class. And to counter that, they're now asking people who can't fit in a 2-inch seat to pay for an extra seat---how about this---make the seats big enough for NORMAL people (like me, like my husband) to fit in. We're not wide by a far stretch, but even for us, sitting in an airplane is a horrible experience.

Pay for headphones. Pay for "special meals". Pay for everything. Only one drink per flight----last year we flew from SEattle to SC---a 6 hour flight, and we only got ONE cup (not even 6 oz) of SOda. Had to pay if you wanted another. WHAT THE FUCK did I pay over $500 a SEAT for?

Of course, you must add in the $5.00 9/11 handling charge, and the$15.00 charge if you don't book your tickets online, and the $75.00 fee if you have to change your flight, and you better hope to God your plane gets you to your connection on time or else you're FUCKED---we had a plane that left 45 minutes late, so we missed our connection. We got to the connecting airport and asked about getting on a later flight (we were travelling with the same airline the whole way through). We were told that they have no obligation to put us on another flight, and that we would have to pay $75.00 per ticket to "change" our flights. I said "we're not changing our flights. We missed our flight because YOUR plane took off late". Their response "Our responsiblity ends once we get you to your destination. We have no obigation to ensure that you meet your connecting flights, and rearranging for another flight is your responsibility, including your financial responsiblity".

Walked away from the counter right then. Luckily, we came upon another airline who was willing to put us on a connecting flight -- FOR FREE -- because of the utterly rude attitude and inconvenience we were given by our original airline, which I will NEVER fly again, and have paid MORE for flights on different airlines rather than take a cheaper flight with the shittiest airline on the planet (imo)
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:38 PM
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7. I think we guaranteed their debt so if they default
we have to hold the water.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:48 PM
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10. Wow! What a great deal
I wish I could get a guarantee like that when I buy a car


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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:22 PM
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4. The concessions the airlines employees
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 04:25 PM by DanaM
make go directly into the pockets of the oil companies. The employees make concessions and suffer layoffs (in addition to the bailouts financed by taxpapers)and the airline execs continue to pay for the higher priced fuel. It's the same across all transportation sectors.

Oops, itchy trigger finger
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:23 PM
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5. The concessions the airlines employees
make go directly into the pockets of the oil companies. The employees make concessions and suffer layoffs and the airline execs continue to pay for the higher priced fuel. It's the same across all transportation sectors.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:38 PM
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8. My freeper brother is a Delta pilot-
:evilgrin:
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:41 PM
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9. Don't feel bad for those pilots. . .
My freeper brother in law is also a pilot and they make GOOD money. Furthermore most of them are in the bag for Bush!!:mad:
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:50 PM
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11. Welcome to DU, Ernstbass!
Great name, too. :hi:

It's interesting. My brother was hired the same year Clinton got in.
He has enjoyed his job up until about four years ago. Interesting.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:56 PM
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16. But not all of them are. Neither are the flight attendants,
mechanics, booking agents, loaders, etc.

The CEO's are the ones who are making BILLIONS of dollars while the lower rungs of the latter get skimmed. Who cares if Polly Stewardess gets canned---she's rich! She's livin' on $30k a year! Woohoo." Bullshit.

Yes, pilots make alot of money---would you suggest that they make less than they do? And before you answer, think about the responsibilities tehy have in their professional capacity. They have an ENORMOUS responsibility and liability. I surely wouldn't trust a pilot who made $40k before taxes to safely get me from one destination to another on a jumbo jet. A manager at Burger King makes $30k a year---surely Pilots should be compensated a bit more than that, no?

Your anger should be directed at the DIRECT source of the layoffs----the CEO's of the Airlines. The "higher eschelon" who MAKE the bad marketing decisions. Who make the hundred of millions of dollars in "bonuses" the same year that they lay off 1/4 of their workforce (including MAINTENANCE) and expect the American public to feel "Safe" flying in a plane that was just serviced by a high-school dropout making $10.50 an hour. And when Americans are TIRED of paying more $$ for shitty planes that run late, miss connections, have crappy service at all levels, then the Airlines go whining back to the Gov't for profit loss....and the whole fucking wheel keeps on spinning.

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How does a baggage loader who makes $8.50 an hour deserve to loose their job (and in most rural communities, the BEST job that you can get)because the CEO's of the companies can't get their accounting straight? Why should Americans be forced to fly on sub-par planes, with poorly-paid staff, and expect to be safe in the air from origin to desitination?

Ask for the CEO's heads, not the employees.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:04 PM
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19. My Freeper Bro-in -law in AZ. is a pilot that voted for Kerry...
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:55 PM
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14. My daughter is a Delta employee
She has known for months about this.
They are pretty much closing operations in Dallas.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:57 PM
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17. "Let the layoffs SOOOOOOOOOOAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
Like they never have before
Golden parachutes in the wings
The bottom line our only king . . . .
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Karna Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:02 PM
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18. hahahahahh
ahahahahahha
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:39 PM
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20. No Worries, Shrub Says.
"The economy is strong".

BARF!
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