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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:07 AM
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BBC Breaking - 3 members of Allawi's family kidnapped.
Apparently a couple of cousins and one other relative. Looking for a link.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:08 AM
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1. uh-oh
this is a twist..
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:08 AM
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2. For real?
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:11 AM
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3. oooooh
that's not good for them..not good at all.
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:11 AM
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4. Now HOW will */Rove/you name it, spin this one to tell us
HOW GOOD IT'S GOING OVER THERE? And didn't Allawi tell us that himself about a month ago? I'd put a 'puke' smilie here but I feel for the family members.
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:46 AM
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42. Allawi said that when he was here, but a couple of weeks later he changed
his tune big time. He must have gotten his bucket of money from the Bushco's then reality struck home upon his return.

Either way,he is a stooge and a puppet of the BFEE,but it is too bad about his relatives.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:11 AM
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5. geez
A couple of weeks ago four members of his inner circle were gunned down, and it never made the U.S. news.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:15 AM
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6. Bad turn of events for * and Allawi
Looks like things ARE as bad as we think over there.

I feel for the family memebers.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:16 AM
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7. Holy freaking crap.
Oh, wow. Not good news. Not at all.
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nine23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:19 AM
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8. But is it true?
I've got BBC World on satalite AND radio on right now, haven't heard a thing...
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:23 AM
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9. It's on the crawler on the top of BBC page
http://news.bbc.co.uk /

No full report yet.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:27 AM
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10. wouldn't you hate to be them?
From the Iraqi point of view, Allawi is collaborating with the foreign power that is shelling his own countrymen.

I mean, people are always throwing around words like "traitor" and "treason", but what Allawi's doing is the real deal, and there's just no way around that fact.

Not to be ghoulish, but, uh ... how long do you suppose he's got?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:37 AM
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28. For the Iraqis' sake, one hopes not long.
NT!

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nine23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:31 AM
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11. You're right...
It's on the bbc.co.uk website crawler - good eye.

All I can say is...I'm speechless.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:55 AM
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12. Did al-Zarqawi partake in this pesonally?
I know he did it. He does everything in Iraq.
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huellewig Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:22 AM
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22. well except for the time..
when Maktada al-Sadr (sp?) was in charge. We can't have two bogeymen at the same time. That confuses the population. And NBC suffers.

It goes to our inability to realize we have multiple groups of enemies. The fact is we have lots of separate groups looking to harm our troops and kick out the invaders.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:39 AM
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30. Yes, Abu Musab al-Goldstein sure gets around!
NT!

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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:11 AM
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77. With no doubt! n/t
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:58 AM
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13. A puppet got screwed.
This is what you get for being Chimpy little stooge Mr. Allawi.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:01 AM
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14. CNN Report:
Allawi's cousin, his wife, and one other unknown person were the ones kidnapped.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:32 AM
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25. Shit, his wife?
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 03:34 AM by pinniped
Let me guess, "NO NEGOTIATIONS WITH TERRORISTS," riiiiiight?

Edit: I see, the cousin's wife, still bad.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:07 AM
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46. That's right, " "THE US DOES NOT NEGOTIATION WITH TERRORISTS"
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 06:09 AM by Tight_rope
So you know what that means. Allawi should be exspecting a tape with their beheadings soon.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:03 AM
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58. mmm, reading comprehension is fun
His cousin's wife
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:40 AM
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31. Allawi's wife, or his cousin's wife?
NT!

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:10 AM
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38. that's what i'm wondering also
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:52 AM
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50. I believe Allawi has 3 wives
2 in Saudi Arabia and a new one in Iraq.
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:36 AM
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66. No That Is The Interim President He Just Married A Kurdish Woman
Alwali has one wife.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:47 AM
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68. delete
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 09:48 AM by lebkuchen

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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:09 AM
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15. I hope they make it through this
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 03:13 AM by Charlie Brown
It's not their fault their cousin's a tool.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:11 AM
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16. I agree....
I totally dislike Allawi, but I do hate to see innocent civilians harmed....
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Buck Rabbit Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:07 PM
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78. No kidding, I would never want to be help responsible for
the actions of my red state, red neck, haven't talked to in twenty years, cousins.
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:13 AM
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17. NOW WE'LL
Finally get to see what happens, when somebody who's "important" family member is going to be beheaded.

Fuck the Bozos....

they made this mess.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:19 AM
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20. I know what you are saying...
But we are talking about people, I hope not to say something like that about another person dying....
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:23 AM
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23. I am not trying to be cruel
is it terrible, yes it is.
can we change it. obviously not.
lots of people have had to suffer thru this because of bush's war.

I bet you Allawi moves heaven and earth to save his wife.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:29 AM
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24. He probably will, no doubt he is a puppet.....
But I am a tree hugging liberal, I will weep for his family just as much as I do for the other innocent Iraqi's who have lost their lives...
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:34 AM
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26. that's many many tears. :(
Keep hugging those trees!
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:49 AM
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57. We know what'll happen. We'll attack fallujah again.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:16 AM
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18. This won't end well
Ugh.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:18 AM
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19. New story:Iraqi PM Allawi's Family Targeted by Kidnappers
Iraqi PM Allawi's Family Targeted by Kidnappers
Reuters

Nov 10, 2004 BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Three members of Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's family have been kidnapped by gunmen, a spokesman for the Iraqi interim government said on Wednesday.

A first cousin of the prime minister, the cousin's wife and another family member were seized from their home in Baghdad on Tuesday morning, spokesman Georges Sada said.

He gave no further details on the circumstances of their abduction, but a police source said there had been a short gun battle at the home in a southwestern district of the capital before the people were seized.

Sada said no demands had so far been made by the kidnappers.

"This is a close cousin Allawi's father and his father are brothers," Sada told Reuters.
(snip/...)

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=240798
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:20 AM
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21. Another Link >
Over the same period, scores of foreigners have been seized, with many of them handed over to Islamic militant groups who have threatened to kill them if demands are not met. More than 35 foreign hostages have been killed, several by beheading.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=...
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nikraye Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:49 AM
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34. Will the U.S. negotiate?
It'll be interesting to see if the U.S./Allawi will negotiate for Allawi's cousin and his family's release...so far the U.S./Bush has refused to negotiate with terrorists/kidnappers.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:58 AM
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35. I doubt * will allow negotiation. Allawi may be a puppet but he is also
a puppet who came out an criticized how the Bushistas were handling the war recently, didn't he? He is being taught a lesson.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:06 AM
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37. Dubya is nothing, if not vindictive, from what we've read. n/t
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:28 AM
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63. If the Bushies don't negotiate, they can probably kiss Allawi allegiance
goodbye, IMO.

It's a very interesting scenario, and Bush is in "check." How soon before he's "checkmated?"

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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:34 AM
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27. Judi I Just Got An Email From A Friend In UAE
She works for the Khaleej Times newspaper the other family member according to hush hush sources is a CHILD! This is "unconfirmed" if I hear more I will let you know.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:43 AM
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33. Oh, no. Gulp. You'd think they'd have the good sense to leave the kid.
Looks as if they would attract universal rage if they hard a kid, wouldn't you think?

Sure hope they release the child, if the story is true.
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:34 AM
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40. UPDATE Not Daughter But Daughter In Law
The rumor was daughter but it is now confirmed it is the daughter in law. No link BBC World just reported it on TV.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:34 AM
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41. Looks as if they would attract universal rage if they hard a kid,
How many thousand kids have we killed?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:53 AM
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43. I meant a deliberate kidnapping and murder.
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 05:56 AM by JudiLyn
I've been very deeply aware from the first day of the murdered children in Iraq. I don't support it, it's a bogus war, completely wrong in every way.

On edit:

I also didn't support the years of sanctions which starved Iraqi children or simply destroyed their health permanently prior to Bush's war of acquisition.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:23 AM
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52. But
Wouldn't you say that the sanctions were a form of deliberate murder,
we knew that Iraqi children were dying because of the sanctions, but
did very little to stop it.

And shelling or dropping bombs on a residential neighborhood, could also be considered deliberate murder. The military knew that some of the areas that they have fired on had a mainly civilian population.
That didn't stop them from doing it, I would call that deliberate murder.

As the old saying goes "What goes around, comes around".
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:38 AM
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29. anyone know if the kidnappers knew they were Allawi family members ?
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Guy_Montag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:43 AM
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32. they do now! n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:05 AM
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36. Just heard on CBS radio news that there's been no communication
from whomever took them so far, and no demand for any money, etc.

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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:34 AM
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64. When we see heads roll after 48 hours, we'll know for sure
if it's a legitimate kidnapping or not.

I remember when the 1st beheading took place, and many thought it had been faked. There have been too many since then to know otherwise.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:18 AM
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39. another shocking moment in the iraq war
uh, no it's not.
not even a little surprising.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:58 AM
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44. Couldn't happen to a nicer man!
Lay with dogs and you get flees. Let dogs out and the dog catcher will gettum.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:59 AM
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45. I suspect this as potentially mis-information - propaganda!
They may just be claiming this so that when he DECLARES Marshall Law and commences to behave like the thug he is, we will sigh and exclaim, but they kidnapped and killed two of his cousins.

No, I don't believe this report for a moment. The administration crept up to "Marshall Law" in Iraq, but quickly redefined it as a night-time curfew.

Like the * Administration, I don't believe anything these right wing radicals in the implaced Iraqi government claim.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:16 AM
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47. AWoL doesn't give a shit. He'll force an election in Iraq then pull out
after declaring that he personally "saved" iraqis from themselves.

I also think Osama will conveniently show up to distract everyone from the "election" in iraq.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:17 AM
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48. We need a betting pool...
I've said all along that there's no way the Allawi is going to survive to the "election" in January -- if there's an election at all. Given that the country is awash in small arms and plastic explosives, it seems pretty clear that he's going to get snuffed sooner or later.

I'm betting that he doesn't live to see January 1, 2005.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:50 AM
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49. new link: Iraqi PM's Cousin Kidnapped, Islamists Threaten
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Gunmen have abducted three relatives of Iraq (news - web sites)'s prime minister from outside their Baghdad home, the interim Iraqi government said on Wednesday.



A hitherto unknown Islamist group threatened to kill them in 48 hours unless premier Iyad Allawi calls off the U.S.-led assault on the rebel-held city of Falluja and frees prisoners.


But the government said it would not be influenced.


The prime minister's 75-year-old first cousin Ghazi Allawi was seized with his wife and son as they were leaving their home in southwestern Baghdad on Tuesday evening, it said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=586&nci...
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:55 AM
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51. Leverage?
Who grabbed them?

It would be a little cynical to suggest they are being keep 'safe' while Allawi makes the proper decisions, crucial for the 'freedom' of Iraqi people...

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wordout Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:39 AM
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56. thats what i was thinking
or they're about to be chartered out of the country like bin Laden's family was after september eleventh.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:28 AM
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53. Good
Take the rest, and then take him, the fucking fascist puppet.

Read up on Allawi's history - fucker's a murderer himself.

We do prop up the best, don't we?
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:29 AM
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54. You got that right ...
And there's no such entity as a *former* CIA Operative. <eg>
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:31 AM
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55. Are the Blackwater mercs on strike?
Or were these extended family members just not allowed to live in the Green Zone? Or does this say something about how UNSAFE the safe zone is? Or, is just another example of how the rag-tag insurgents are beating the snot out of the world's only Super Power?
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:12 AM
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59. excellent questions
The rebels are outsmarting Bush every step of the way.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:15 AM
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60. Makes you wonder ...
How many more insurgents the US Military would have captured/killed if we didn't have to WAIT to take the city until Bush Co. was safely reelected? <wink wink>
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:26 AM
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62. I think Rove set up the Fallujah attack to redirect attention away
from the fraudulent election.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:23 AM
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61. Isn't Chalabi a cousin of Allawi as well?
I seem to remember reading that somewhere. Wonder if he's involved. What the hell was his family doing there? Something doesn't smell right.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:35 AM
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65. Well, perhaps these were not favored relatives who did not
rate a coveted place within our illustrious "Green Zone." Knowing Allawi is a former CIA Operative, I don't think he's the type personality to give a sh*t if they're wasted. Well, if it's filmed (be-headings) then he's cry for the cameras, declare Marshall Law ... and it will be "all OK" by the USA because he's understandably upset ... go ahead and massacre more of your OWN people ... anything for Bush Co. and the promise of more power.
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:47 AM
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67. Martial Law Not Marshall FYI
I believe this story is true. Alwali was probably set up by a trusted adviser/security the grab for power over there is insane. And Alwali is universally loathed.

I think they will kill these people and sooner not later. This WILL hurt Alwali whether he cares about these deaths or not and from what I heard on BBC this cousin and he are quite close.

This is a major blow to the Interim Iraqi CONvernment.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:48 AM
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69. Thanks for the spelling correction ... Always learning and growing
:-)
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:55 AM
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71. No this scenario plays in beautifully in the Neo-Cons
Fantasy playbook.

They honestly believe that the more you crush them, the more respect you will earn. Forget about the fact that none of them seriously studied history and military science.

The Neo-Cons will be giddy if this "allegedly close cousin" is murdered on video. Why? It will give that immoral thug Allowi the perfect EXCUSE to kill wantonly.

Hell, killing one of his cousins will give him "a mandate" for revenge. Just like September 11th was the excuse to take us into this country to begin with...

Ohhh Ahhhh ... "Every thing's changed since September the 11th" ... "The rules have changed."

Bullshit!!! It's the same old killing and terrorism that's been with us since the beginning of time.

We have a choice. Kill them all or find a way to make a settlement. It blows my mind how many Vietnam Vets believe that we could have won that war. That's just pathetic.

Nationalism is not confined to the United States of America. For every innocent we kill, we earn 5-10 enemies, i.e., their beloved relatives.
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TheKingfish Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:49 AM
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70. Insurgents are stealing Israeli tactics n/t
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mortimer_az Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:57 AM
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72. hostage
I bet the hostages will be used to leverage Alawi out of running in the election.
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realcountrymusic Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:22 AM
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73. as ye reap

so shall ye sow

eom

rcm
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:28 AM
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74. brawwwk, brawk-brawk-brawk-brawk-brawwwwwk
chickens coming home to roost on Allawi's porch.

But always the innocents die. Always.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:04 AM
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75. Nice going, Bush..
the insurgents effectively control the country. :grr:

At this rate, with fair voting, 2006 and 2008 will be ours..
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:09 AM
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76. I can't imagine how Allawi didn't see this coming...
Having his family safe and secure somewhere would have been the rational thing to do.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:38 PM
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79. I'm waiting for the beheading tape .
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:49 PM
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80. Good. Betray your countrymen, pay the price.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:02 PM
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81. LOL
live by the sword, die by the sword.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:05 PM
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82. Remember Asshole Puppet, you don't negotiate with terrorists! n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:07 PM
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83. Damn! The only three valid votes Allawi would have gotten too n/t
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:31 PM
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84. Maybe not
My 2nd cousin twice removed is Trent Lott--I'd give the KKK his address if I had it,lol and I wouldn't vote for him in a million light years..can't always count on blood being thicker than water.
Innocents can't be held accountable for their fascist relations. I feel sorry for his family. I wish they could have found him.
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