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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:06 PM
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WP: For the President, a Vote of Full Faith and Credit
Evangelical Christians Shed Their Reluctance to Mix Religion and Politics on Election Day

By Dana Milbank

The 2004 presidential race and its aftermath have brought a new fusion between religion and politics.

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Barry W. Lynn, who runs Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, concurred. "The big sea change was how many local churches and small-fry evangelical preachers entered the effort to get Bush elected," he said. "That you didn't see before."

The two men also say evangelicals have become more comfortable as political actors. "It used to be evangelicals said politics is worldly, and we don't want to get into that," Cromartie said. Now, "politics is part of one's duty. It's a lack of loving your neighbor not to be involved."

Lynn said that a number of evangelicals, inspired in part by minister Tim LaHaye's "Left Behind" novels, have come to view politics as part of their religion. "There is a strain of evangelical Christians who believe it is political figures who usher in the Second Coming," he said. As such, Bush "is the spiritual and political leader of a moral revolution."

Though such views are a minority, there were glimpses of that passion on the campaign trail. Last month, at an invitation-only meeting with Vice President Cheney, a questioner rose and said: "I personally think, next to Jesus Christ, probably took the greatest load upon his shoulders of any individual, so it had to be with strong backing that he has been able to stand for his testimony for the Lord Jesus Christ."

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31043-2004Nov6.html
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:09 PM
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1. Equestrian doo-doo
Bush won by less than three points, not thirty. That is hardly grounds for a religious mandate. This is just the latest "reality" to roll off the Bush empire's production line.

:headbang:
rocknation
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:12 PM
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2. Do these "journalists" even look at what they are
typing;

"Evangelical Christians Shed Their Reluctance to Mix Religion and Politics on Election Day". Jeez.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:17 PM
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4. I support AU and read what Rev. Lynn says regularly.
You can take it to the Bank. All he's describing is the various types of nuts he's encountered.

In the latest issue of Church and State (AU's pub), he talks about his sitting in at a Christian Coalition meeting, while its leader, the evil one, Roberta Combs, insults him.

He's always turning right-wing politicos masquerading as Christians into the I.R.S.

He's frustrated because he has been trying to warn American for years and years about the danger (people like Combs, Dobson, Robertson). We have not heeded the warning.

He warned and warned and warned us this past year about how they were securing church lists, and openly challenging him to report them. They frequently bragged that since they owned the Whitehouse, with Bush in it, they could do what they wanted to do.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:26 PM
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7. Thanks, we definitely need more people like that, but I was
referring to the clarity of the writing of Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:14 PM
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3. Fundamentalists don't see that they have now
traded God for a false idol. Is his name Baal?
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Hog lover Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:22 PM
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6. They are too stupid to know or care if anyone tried to tell them. eom
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:33 PM
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13. Ba'alzebub (lit. "lord of the flies")
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 11:40 PM by TahitiNut
Whereas Bush* is "lord of the lies."

Maybe we should just call him Ba'alzebush or Ba'alzedubya. :shrug:

"Go and inquire of Ba'alzebub, the god of Ekron, whether I shall recover from this injury." - 2 Kings 1:2

"Go and inquire of Ba'alzedubya, the god of Enron, whether I shall recover damages for this injury." - 2 Republicans 9:11
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:21 PM
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5. Where is their morality and values on this war?
100,ooo killed, mostly woman and children and that number is probably much higher, where is the outrage from the religeous right?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:28 PM
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9. they were heathens and their sacrifice paves the way for the
footsteps of the Lord. So shut up. (They are delusional!)
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:29 PM
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10. Pious sadists, Mammonites
the Cultic Coalition, the Pharisees, the Damned.

God is not mocked.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:28 PM
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8. These people are nothing but a bunch of cold blooded killers in sheeps
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 11:28 PM by Zorra
clothing.

They pretend to believe in God but they are hypocrites - to quote the New Testament, "inwardly, they are ravenous wolves".

Anyone that supports Bu$h and Bu$h's war is guilty of murdering completely innocent children.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:30 PM
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11. Once again, Dana Milbank gets on his knees to worship his master.
Look, why even waste your time with the WHORESHINGTON POST? Pravada was a straight out newspaper compared to these whores!
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:33 PM
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14. He probably thinks his straight steno this makes it look like what it is
They still don't get it.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:58 PM
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20. Dana Milbank..
....is a member of Skull & Bones. 'Nuff said.

[email protected]
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:31 PM
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12. Republican politicians
Shed Their Reluctance to Mix Religion and Politics on Election Day
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:39 PM
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15. Going Wordly,
sounds like a sellout then. Bad Karma, man!
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Steelangel Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:43 PM
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16. Good example:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:24 AM
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17. and no repurcussions for the lies and lack of VALUES
Jesus would spin ...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:25 AM
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18. God, these people are morons!
Scary, sick bastards!
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 09:53 AM
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19. "his testimony for the Lord Jesus Christ"???
As a born-again Christian, I can't begin to express my disgust at that statement, especially in the context it was made. And to compare Bush's burden to that of Christ's...in my opinion, that almost borders on sheer heresy. What ARE these people thinking?? I am so appalled at this turn of events, especially that what I'm sure are true and sincere Christians are giving Bush such adoration and reverence. This is not why Christ died! We are not carrying out his mission when we allow this perversion of his gospel to take root. Is anybody here who's not a Christian now drawn to Christ and tempted to follow him based on what Bush and his "evangelical" cohorts are doing? If so, let me know, because maybe I've got this all wrong. You don't bully and bomb and decimate and destroy people into the kingdom. You love them, show by example what Christ has done for you, and lead them to him with gentleness and compassion. To say that political involvement is showing "love for your neighbor" is a sick and twisted interpretation of Christ's gospel, IMHO.

That is my rant for this Sunday morning. I have a lot more time on my hands now since I refuse to ever again attend the Southern Baptist Church I've been going to. From now on it's between me and God, and I am praying that his mercy will cover me and the people I love who also trust in him, because I think his mercy has just run out for our nation.

Tired Old Cynic
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:02 PM
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21. It is the fault of our media that they do not know that he only attended
church at the end of his campaign for photo ops after it was discovered that he had rarely if ever attended in the four years he had been in the White House. They allow the myth to stand because it benefits them financially.
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