Unhappy Democrats Need to Wait to Get Into Canada

[Khephra]

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Disgruntled Democrats seeking a safe Canadian haven after President Bush won Tuesday's election should not pack their bags just yet.

Canadian officials made clear on Wednesday that any U.S. citizens so fed up with Bush that they want to make a fresh start up north would have to stand in line like any other would-be immigrants -- a wait that can take up to a year.

"You just can't come into Canada and say 'I'm going to stay here'. In other words, there has to be an application. There has to be a reason why the person is coming to Canada," said immigration ministry spokeswoman Maria Iadinardi.

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=6704292

[spotbird]

1. How is Ireland about immigration? nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. Remember that Ireland, although generally liberal

still bans abortion in its constitution. This might make a difference for a liberal seeking a new country.

[ilovenicepeople]

47. also remember

Canada can be walked to, and has an fairly open border, more so since 911.

[meow2u3]

70. Ireland--Neoprogressive Paradise!

I think I'll go there

[spotbird]

83. I called the consulate today, they are very

strict about immigration, basically without an EU passport or a immigrant grandparent there isn't a prayer.

They did express sympathy for those who must stay in America. It made me feel good that they felt free to express their opinion.

[Crowdance]

90. Bon voyage. n/t

[eurolefty]

112. Yeah right, the progressive Ireland

The Irish people have really progressive views on abortion, homosexuality etc. (sarcasm)
A friend of mine fled from Ireland a couple of years ago. He really hated the Irish attitudes. Now he's living in Finland.

Tarja Halonen the president of Finland (single mom at the time she was elected) used to be the chairwoman of the national LGBT association. Her popularity rating is around 80%. So, the political landscape is quite different in Scandinavia. There are homophobes and racists , like everywhere, but they don't hold political power.

[Nicholas_J]

127. That ban has been lifted

...

[Pale_Rider]

35. They have severely tighten up due to ...

... Romanians and other eastern Europeans moving into Ireland. If you have parents or grandparents that are Irish, you can then apply for Irish citizenship. They have also tighten up on Irish citizenship being granted to non-Irish spouses.

BTW: Minuses: unemployment around 6.7%, single tax rate is 20% on first 28,000 Euros, and then 42% on balance, lousy food and lousy weather. Positives: fairly liberal (with the exception of attitudes on abortion), good Guinness, good scenery (when its not raining) and good pub-life.

[abelenkpe]

50. does that mean

that my husband can go to Ireland, but I cannot? My hubby is currently looking onto applying for dual citizenship and since his father immigrated here in the early 60's and he has a lot of family still in Ireland it should be doable. But I was hoping to get citizenship for myself as well, so that I could work. Is that not possible? Lemmeno.

[Maeve]

57. If he gets citizenship, you get in, too

Marriage to an Irish citizen is also good for immigration status. I believe you'll have to take the residency route to citizenship, but you're still able to move there.

[abelenkpe]

68. great news!

thanks :)

[Syncronaut Seven]

2. Fuck That!

We're coming! Ya can lay us out at the borders if ya want, your choice.

[qanda]

3. Where do I get the application?

My husband has his own business and I homeschool, so we won't be a burden. PLEASE LET US IN!

[Wonk]

7. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.html

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.html

[glitch]

4. Italy? Spain? Greece? Doesn't have to be Canada. They can all benefit from

a massive brain drain from the US.

[Kierkegaard]

6. New Zealand, Germany, Iceland, Norway, Netherlands, hell

anywhere that has electricity and running water...

[Sequoia]

9. Norway is cool, I like that.

But what about France or Poland? :)

[ktowntennesseedem]

33. Yeah, don't forget Poland! n/t

[Roland99]

37. HA!!

[ExclamationPoint]

80. France will kill us

[chelaque liberal]

39. Hell, I don't need electricity.

[davhill]

65. Any of the first 5, the last is too much like

What the US will soon become.

[wickerwoman]

99. LOL

I just spit on my keyboard. Goddamnit!

:-)

[MADem]

18. Italy, my former home, is a fascist state

If you want to forgo politics completely, and just enjoy the food, the people and the good weather, it is a wonderful place. But Berlusconi is worse than weecowboy--picture weewee with a BRAIN. He owns every media outlet, and he rules with an iron fist. If you think it is bad here, it is worse there.

[PSU84]

89. That is why Bush and Berlusconi get along so well!

Each sees himself as "IL DUCE"!

[Maple]

5. One low-level

spokesperson has nothing to say about it.

Don't be put off by hype. Canada can't appear too eager here, but you'll be welcome all the same.

[livinbella]

11. thank you for that

I am applying today.

[virgdem]

13. Thank you for your encouragement...

Can you point us in the right direction as to how to obtain information on where we would write to or web sites that would give some good information on how to emigrate to Canada? Most of us, I'm sure, are clueless about Canada and its laws. Thanks.

[ilovenicepeople]

51. Hurry up and get here (Canada)

I have a bad feeling, we are going to need as many of you good folks up here to help us protect our fragile sovereignty.:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[saskatoon]

69. welcome

Thanks Maple,born in Saskatoon in 1918---love you guys! Grace

[SoCalDem]

104. You were born in 1918?? Wow !!!

or is it a typo?? 1981?

[BearFlagDemocrat]

8. Rate your chances

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html

[Protagoras]

34. Hmmm 77 is passing

not that I have a plan to move (yet) but was interesting to see how they scored the test.

[kayell]

125. 67 is passing for skilled worker category

[Roland99]

44. Here's the correct link

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/assess/index.html

[Supormom]

71. Hey, I received a score of 84.

Better than I expected. Perhaps it's time to start packing.

[DiverDave]

110. I got an 87

but my wife will never go to Canada, heck, she won't even go to Oregon.

I'm stuck in the east coast.

[Nimrod]

115. Too low right now, but...

I do have a friend in Canada. If I could arrange to stay there temporarily and get a work Visa, I'd qualify in a year.

GOD that's tempting right now. With my attitude at the moment, I'd sure as hell fight the US on Canada's behalf if it became necessary to do so.

[stepnw1f]

10. Is Fascism A Good Enough Reason

A totalitarian government run by one political party bent on reversing our civil rights, making it extremely hard to regain our voices. I would say that applying for citizenship in Canada is equivalent to seeking Asylum. But then again, I do not live in Canada, and do not know the answer to that question anymore. At least here and now.

I need food and sleep.

[johnnyrocket]

92. Yes, political asylum!

[Mother Jones]

As a Canadian that offends me....

I can tell you with 100% certainty that our borders are WIDE open to refugees, who are given cash, a health-card (that's free health care) and a court date in 2yrs, which most don't bother to show up for.

We welcome all of our brothers and sisters to the south! Heck, I'll even clear a spot on my own 72 acres for you good people!

The problem with this, as I see it, is that if you leave, there will be less of you to keep fighting in the U.S. I know I would not want to surrender my country so easily.

I think you need to stay, be strong, keep fighting, but my hubby disagrees, saying that there is simply no way for you to ever get through to the uneducated masses who blindly follow their leader.


For what it's worth, we are both sick to our stomachs today over this....for you good people and for the entire world!

[amandae]

17. Thank you

I agree with you ... I think people should consider moving to swing states in hoards rather than moving across the border, no matter how much more appealing it may be.

[Wright Patman]

19. You assume honest voting

and I can no longer assume that. As long as the Democrats continue to play along, the rigging of elections will only get worse.

I saw this coming a long time ago. The GOP was never happy with blacks being able to vote and now the Hispanics won't vote their way. I would say the touchscreen voting schemes were hatched at least 15 years ago by now.

There is no other explanation for a voting scheme which leaves no paper trail and is unauditable than an intent to commit fraud, if necessary.

[asthmaticeog]

21. Those of us considering expatriation

are of the firm belief that our country already abandoned us.

That's just a nitpick though. Thank you for that encouraging post.

[nodehopper]

22. what is the fastest way to get Canadian citizenship?

Standard application? Does marriage help? Do you have to have a certain amount of money in the bank? If you know the answers to these I would really appriciate them.

[Mother Jones]

28. I can't tell you how sad it makes me to hear you guys

talk like this.....I deeply feel for you, I do...I sympathize and I embrace you - I was in tears last night.

(especially those who feel their country has abandoned them - heartwrenching)

I will first say, that I agree with the notion that you should be moving to swing states in droves. We need the U.S to lead the world on progressiveness, we can't just let it fester with the religious right.

That said, yes, of course it's easier if you marry a Canadian. I work for IBM, and I saw SO many colleagues in the U.S, pre-election, moving positions within the company so that they could "report to" a Canadian manager. They did this in the hopes they can make an easier jump to Canada, if bushy got back in. It remains to be seen if they are successful, but it's a good strategy.

[nodehopper]

78. if you marry a Canadian, do you need to reside in Canada to get papers?

Thanks for the information.

[SoCalDem]

105. Or move FROM red states, taking EVs with you..

Red state Dems with businesses should consider MOVING that business to a swing state, and hiring Dems who really need jobs.. Take those jobs away from the Bush voters in the red states.. take that tax money too..and did I mention the EVs???

There are more important things at stake, than the absence of snow-shoveling:)

[moosedog]

40. Give them enough rope....

I don't think we should be too upset today, because it might be good for the Bush people to have to clean up their own mess. I hope they will get so cocky that they show even the dumb followers what they are really like.

[calimary]

124. The only problem I see with the view that they'll be forced to clean up

their own mess - is that they won't. They won't be forced. Uh - excuse me but ... WHO will force them to? America just elected that many more enablers. WHO IS LEFT to force any accountability? Fewer of our people. People who, for the moment anyway, have little hope of building any sort of coalition to start reparing the damage. Because the bush victory will be read, WIDELY, as an affirmation of what he's been doing, and what his supporters have been doing. They're not about to start considering the other side now. Especially when they can claim that the other side has been discredited - and the majority proved THEM, NOT the other side, to be correct. This election has just verified everything the bad guys have been doing, and everything they're about. It's green-lighted the whole miserable works. It's going to be a LONG, MISERABLE, LONELY two years until the next Congressional elections, and I don't hold out much hope for them, either. When Nixon and Reagan were in, at least they had Democratic majorities they HAD to deal with. This jackass has NO viable opposition now.

[wicket]

42. You rock mother jones!!!!

:yourock:

[leftchick]

48. have you seen our "news"??

I would fight if we still had real news in the states. Without it we don't have a chance. Half of the population is totally unaware of the fascist regime in control.

I want to come to Canada desperately with my two boys. They will not become cannon fodder for another generation of wars.

Please tell me if it is really that easy to get in? I need a plan today! What about my animals? Would I be able to bring my cats?

[DrWeird]

49. Hey...

I don't know much about employment in Canada, so I'll ask you. Do you know what it's like for immigrants with advanced degrees? I heard (this was several years ago) that Canada was suffering from the so-called "brain drain", ie scientists and whatnot were going overseas in droves for higher-paying jobs, leaving a major vacuum. Because I'm getting my PhD in a few years and am considering (since before the election) a move north of the border.

[Fiendish Thingy]

52. MoJo, thanks for the offer, but will your 72 acres hold

50+ million Kerry voters? ;-). Any disaffected American moving to Canada or anywhere can still vote as an expat...but it just struck me, if Clinton is famous for "it depends on what your definition of 'is' is", then Bush should be know as "it depends on what your definition of 'vote' is"...

[Mokito]

116. "it depends on what your definition of 'vote' is"

That is a great one liner to start a fresh battle with, even if it looks like an uphill battle.

[ilovenicepeople]

55. many Canadians feel the same sick feeling today

such an uncertain future .This atheist has a need to pray today.USE THE FORCE!!!!

[slackmaster]

75. How do you tell a bona fide refugee from a fugitive or whiner?

Just curious. There must be some kind of objective test.

[mzmolly]

79. Thank you Mother Jones. I think I'll see what they try to pull next.

But, if'n I see the facists continue down the same dark path, I may take you up on that offer. ;)

[PSU84]

91. I love Canada!

I've visited many times: Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Banff, Jasper, Lake Louise. I've always been impressed by how polite, courteous, friendly, and generous the Canadian people are. And then when one considers that they have far more progressive social policies (like health care for EVERYONE!) it becomes obvious that Canada is a far more civilized nation than the U.S.

Oh, and consider this: An American is four times as likely to be murdered as a Canadian. (And it isn't because more Americans live in cities: BOTH country's populations are 70 percent urban.)

[found object]

93. great post

I think that says it all. We have not come to the point were we could consider ourselves political refugees.

[slinkerwink]

95. thank you for your reply!

[Swamp Rat]

111. Thanks for the kind words

Even though I scored high enough on the Canadian immigration requirement, I think I will stay here and fight.

[Frederic Bastiat]

117. Not factual

To qualify as a refugee you have to be from a country that oppresses its people and prove that you are in grave and mortal danger. Not so for US citizens.

I moved to Canada after the last election and it took me two years to settle in - I love it but to be totally honest the immigration process is nowhere as easy as you or the Canadian governement describe it.

Come January I qualify for Canadian citizenship and damn skippy i'm going for it!!!

[shrike]

123. Yeah, the whole process sounds pretty difficult to me

Sounds like one would have a much better chance coming in as a skilled worker, rather than a refugee -- particularly one from the United States.

If I'd been single I too would have left in 2000. Hubby would never had heard of it back then. Now he's not so sure. I've contacted the Canadian consulate for applications.

[Mad_Dem_X]

118. Bless you, Mother Jones

It's good to know that other countries are sympathising with our plight. :pals:

[Eugene]

12. Heard this talk in 1972. Most people stayed and faught.

I will stay and fight.

:dem:

[Barrett808]

60. Hoo-yeah.

Demos might want to model the next decade after the post-Nixon Republicans.

[Prodemsouth]

62. You Had a Democratic congress (Senate and House) and a Supreme

Court that was left leaning for the times. That is what is different from today. You have none of that now. Going to Canada is of great interest to me- call me a wimp if you wish? But I know when we are out gunned and folks we are seriously out gunned here. YEAH NIXON WAS FORCED OUT OF OFFICE BUT THE DEMOCRATS HAD GREAT POWER IN CONGRESS. Stay and fight if you wish.. and I wish you all the luck I can muster.

[KamaAina]

14. So help me, I thought that was gonna be from The Onion

Truth is stranger than satire...

[Dude_CalmDown]

85. Not this time but at least 4 other times I've read a topic here and...

...would have bet good money that it was a headline from The Onion. Unfortunately I did not have the same sense of hope that this was a mock headline this time.

[Tempest]

15. Work permits are easy to get in Canada

As long as you don't mind working at a low-paying service industry job for a while.

A friend of mine went to B.C. and got his work permit within 2 months.

All he did was to get a job in stocking shelves and had the company file for his permit.

Once he got the permit, he quit his job and is now a software developer in Victoria.

[mitchtv]

23. what about retirees?

I see no mention.anywhere.

[camero]

59. Funny that's not what I heard

I heard you had to be a permanent resident to get a work permit. A process which takes months if not years becuase of the backlog. Believe me I'd gladly take a low paying job if it meant I could stay.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

16. delete

[PATRICK]

20. Take some classes

Always more welcome than someone looking for a job and eager to spend money. For those that need a break at least.

[marew]

24. My fiance has dual Irish/Canadian citizenship!

We may get married and move sooner than later!

[arKansasJHawk]

26. Unchecked aggression

I think it would almost be delayed suicide for progressives to pick up and go now (not that I think many will, but this is just for argument's sake).

If we were to leave America, its nuclear arsenal and armed forces in the hands of the a) redneck bigots, b) uninformed morons and c) greedy shitheads who turned out and voted for Bush, the world would be a much more dangerous place.

The first thing we need to do is focus on the House and Senate. We have to hold accountable every Democratic Congressman who voted to let Shrub have the power to go to war. We have two years to prepare.

Then again, just writing inspiring drivel like that makes me almost want to puke. I honestly don't know if there's ANYTHING we can do to make a difference anymore. Between corrupt, lazy media and outright vote thievery, I can't figure out what to do. Moments like these, Canada looks pretty good.

[mtnester]

45. Unfortunately, our nuclear arsenal and armed forces

ARE ALREADY in the hands of the a) redneck bigots, b) uninformed morons and c) greedy shitheads who turned out and voted for Bush

Too late
:(

[KAZ]

46. Wow, that was quite impressive for a 3rd post.

Welcome to DU arKansasJHawk!

[michaelwb]

122. New personal ads..

"My fiance has dual Irish/Canadian citizenship!"

Why do I see a whole new type of personal ads developing because of this election?

[bamacrat]

27. What other countries might be safe havens for us.

[mitchtv]

63. Costa Rica they want you to have money , tho

300K plus. But what a great place.

[dennis4868]

29. Come on Canada.....

let me in, I love Hockey!

[llmart]

30. What about India?

I heard there are plenty of jobs there. In fact, that's where they're all going.

[mhr]

31. They Only Hire Indian Nationals For The Good Paying Jobs

eom

[War Pigs]

32. New Zealand, baby!!! 4 times the size of ohio with 1/3 the assholes. Our

state has had 100% retardican control of state gov. for 10 sick, depressing years now. Did I mention that NZ has 15,000 miles of coastline? I won't spend my retirement years in a country dominated by delusional right-wing nut cases. I want to live around reaity-based people. I will however, vote a straight Democratic ticket by absentee ballot. Probably get tossed in the trash by some asshole wearing a 10 comandments t-shirt

[8-6-PDB]

38. Ha! Scored high enough as a skilled worker...

passed THAT test! Not going anywhere, though. Gonna stay here and fight. I think the beauty of what we can achieve here is enough to fight for.

My wife and I are expecting our first child at the end of this month, and I am gonna fight to give him/her the kind of world I never had.

I am staying...

[abelenkpe]

56. early congratulations!

I hope all goes well for you and your family.

[Rochambeau]

96. early congratulations too and well said ! n/t

[soaky]

67. sounds like new zealand is heading for a huge population boost

what with all the dissafected australians saying the same thing...

My condolences to everyone :(

[camero]

36. I couldn't even marry in. I'm too sick

And you have to know each other for a year to even have the application process start. Maybe I should just go to the Cuban Embassy on the way home. :shrug:

With my luck that probably won't work either.

[Rochambeau]

97. LOL n/t

[wysiwyg]

41. You also need "proof of funds", i.e. a bank balance

You have to prove you can support yourself and can find a place to live once you move to Canada. Check the
Proof of Funds page to see how much money you need. :-)

1 Person = $9420.00 CAD / $7794.79 USD

[SoCalDem]

106. Under 8K to emigrate? That seems very low

Canada is looking better all the time :) We have a son in Seattle, and another near SanFrancisco..:)

[Blue_Tires]

43. i wonder what made Reuters so certain that

dems would be in a rush to move en masse??

[aneerkoinos]

53. Wellcome to EU

For three months as tourist, perhaps few more if you can hide from officials...

It's Schengen now, baby!

But hey, there's allways the "Mexicano" experience of illegal immigrant, African boat people, Arabs, Albanians, Slavs etc doing just swell!

How about population change with Mexico and the rest of América? Mercosur, Venezuela, Cuba? And Jamaica, if speaking Spanish is problem... errr, take that back, probably you no speak Jamaican either... :D

[Dogmudgeon]

54. Sorry, but I'm staying here

America is my home, and I don't intend to cut and run.

--bkl

[Maddy McCall]

58. Me too, BKL

[Barrett808]

61. Me three. n/t

[LiberalBushFan]

64. So can I apply to live in Canada now just in case of emergency?

And if they approve, just hold on to the approval indefinitely if/until I NEED to leave?

I'd like to stay here as long as it's tolerable.

[4_Legs_Good]

66. only UP TO A YEAR??? Wow! I can do that!

What else is there to do while I wait?

david

[Name removed]

72. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Deja Q]

73. ROTFLMAO.

What's left to say? Maybe the Canadians want we, the people to fix we, our country instead of being a bunch of cowardly chickens about it all?

[slackmaster]

74. Greece is much nicer than Canada

And Mexico is very friendly too.

[idiosyncratic]

76. How about France?

A friend of mine just got back from a lengthy visit and he is planning on moving there.

He was near Toulouse and said the people were wonderful and the food was incredible. He really, really enjoyed the lifestyle.

Living in Toulouse

[4dsc]

77. What about sunny Costa Rica??

I hear alot of Americans are vacationing there.. Lots of sunny weather and the beaches look nice too..

[ExclamationPoint]

81. I am so going anyway!

I went to Canada this summer and I loved it! My great-grandparents immagrated from newfoundland (which at that time was not technically canada) does that count for anything?

[PROUDNWLIBERAL]

82. new Zealand

We now live in New Zealand and love the people and the country. Really progressive. Nothing poisonous like Australia, which has everything poisonous including Prime Minister Howard! If you are in the health care Field you should have no problem getting a job---get a two year visa. Well working get your Permanent Residency---you can then vote and get a New Zealand passport. What a wonderful country!!!!!

[ExclamationPoint]

84. ooo good I'd love to live in middle earth! :D

[depakid]

107. That's what I like to hear!

I'm about to get my MPH- and I've been looking to get out. I alwyas thought NZ was really hard to emigrate to. I think I'll take another look.

[gater]

86. I for one will stay and fight for what I believe!

My country, my religion, and my economy have all been hijacked, but I'll be damned if I give up! I read skinner's post on formulating a plan...well the first step is to counter the mass media in whatever way we can, and everyone reading these posts has an enormously powerful tool at their fingertips. Use it to rally others against policies which must be changed! Take a lesson from the Deaniacs and use all the tools at your disposal, but do not be afraid to get really grass roots and talk to people one on one...that's how it starts!
The lamp may be under the bushel basket, but the light still shines through the cracks. My family first arrived here long before the first Revolutionary War, and fought many many battles since...it is now my turn to really battle the ignorance, hatred, and bigotry which now threaten our "grand experiment"!
Move to Canada, I think not! We need a New America, and I'm workin' on it...how about you?

[KG]

87. the heck with canada, gets fuckin' cold there!

if i gotta run to escape homeland security, i'm going to mexico!

[Dem2theMax]

102. Good. More room for me. I love the cold.

:) :) :)

And I live close to Mexico. You can have my spot there. How's that sound? ;)

[PSU84]

88. Costa Rica.

Congenial climate.

Highest per capita income in Central America.

Highest literacy rate in Central America.

Longest life expectancy in Central America.

Lowest infant mortality in Central America.

Democratically elected government.

No Army!

[Dukakis88]

94. We have to put up with all of the Canadian comedians...

Mike Myers, Dan Akroyd, John Candy, Jim Carey, Martin Short, etc., etc.

We should all be considered honorary Canadians by now.

[grace0418]

98. United States of Canada?

I saw a really funny graphic today (the only time I laughed all day) and it had an electoral map of sorts. Except all the blue states were the same color as Canada and it was called the "United States of Canada", and all the red states were called "Jesusland." The funny part is that all the blue states connected either directly with Canada or connected through other blue states to Canada (except Hawaii, but that doesn't connect anywhere anyway).

It got me thinking, maybe all the liberals could move to blue states and we could seceed and join Canada. I mean, the fundies don't want us anyway, what do they care if we leave? They might get a little pissed that we took our shit with us (like produce from California and Broadway musicals), but it seems like a small price to pay to get rid of us. What's in it for Canada? Well, warm vacation spots in California and Hawaii. The hustle and bustle of New York City. The entire west coast, which is lovely. A nice section of the east coast. Another great lake. Wisconsin cheese. Chicago architecture.

The fundies could build a big wall around the red states and Bushco could set up camp in Texas. Then they'd proceed to kill each other off and the world would ignore them. Meanwhile, the United States of Canada could become a bastion of true freedom and civil rights for all with great vacation spots to boot.

Sound like a plan? What do you all think? I mean, don't get me wrong I think Canada is beautiful, but I like warm weather and really dislike winter. So that's always been a hesitation for me when considering moving there.

[Dem2theMax]

101. That's the pic I tried to put in my post. aaarrrrggggg.

LOL. I used Imageshack. Don't know what I did wrong. Someone please help this idiot. That would be me. The REAL idiot is the fake pResident in the WH. I REFUSE to put that 'p' in capitals.

[Dem2theMax]

100. There has to be a reason why the person is coming to Canada,"

said immigration ministry spokeswoman Maria Iadinardi.

THERE IS. A fucking village idiot is 'running' what used to be the U.S. of A.! Now it's just the S. of A. United? LMAO.
Could we BE more qualified? Open them doors Canada!

Haven't they seen the new map? :bounce:






This is my first attempt at putting a picture in a post. If you are seeing a red x, someone please tell me what I did wrong.

[TrogL]

103. I talked to my MP (who has considerable clout)

about relaxing the rules.

We'll see.

[Bluebear]

108. If you have certain pre-existing health conditions you can't get in

Because you are considered a risk for the naitonal health care system. So it's not an option for everyone anyhow.

[radfringe]

109. when will the headlines read

"Canada over-run by illegal Americans sneaking across the border"

[Suspicious]

113. :)

Oh, the irony.

[Mokito]

114. For those of you considering Europe

The European Portal Site:

http://europa.eu.int/index_en.htm

[righteous1]

121. Pathetic

I never thought i would say this but some of you people are pathetic. I know you are pissed and depressed, so am I, but to think about leaving, not a chance. Defeat brings with it strength and eventually change. Your acting like a bunch of little kids that because you don't like the rules your going to take your football and go home. We have alot of flaws in this country make no mistake about that. We are however the greatest country in the world and most powerful. By being so we have the opportunity to change the world for the better in the most profound ways imaginable. But people like yourselves whiny, defeatist adolescents need to go. Frankly the country is better of without you

[kayell]

126. Sounds like you took the blue pill

"greatest country in the world" :eyes:

Freedom of the press - no
Health care - no
Education - no
Literacy - no
Rights of women - no
Rights of minorities - no
Rights of gays - no


Oh, but we do have the worlds largest military budget, so (theoretically) we can whup peoples asses.

[peacebuzzard]

119. Hold on you guys! How about just a break or change? Why totally move?

You guys are going overboard. WE need as many sane people here to inspire and try to change this shit. But I am all for a break myself. Four months out of the country teaching English abroad or engaging in some other meaningful creative and helpful skill can improve our battered overseas image. But this is your home.

[peacebuzzard]

120. If anybody wants to take a break in Brazil, let me know.

Must love dogs, and other animals, and be willing to live in a hot climate during Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb.