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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:44 AM
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In exulting Bush throngs just a little bit of anxiety
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 05:52 AM by JoFerret
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/politics/campaign/31road.html

Heart-rending stories of anguish.

COLUMBUS, Ohio, Oct. 30 - There is a good deal of nail biting going on at the mostly picture-perfect campaign rallies held for President Bush.

....
For unsettled Republican voters in battleground states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and New Hampshire, the last leg of the presidential contest has at times been more of a group therapy session than a victory march.

....

There is certainly no panic, Mr. Nichols says. Mr. Bush's supporters believe in him too much for that. Some of the loudest ovations come when the president predicts, as he almost always does in his speeches, "a great victory on Nov. 2."

But for every measure of hope there is some measure of anxiety gnawing at the adoring crowds that are shadowing the president the last days of his re-election campaign.

"I haven't talked to anybody who is not concerned," said Mr. Nichols, who took a day's vacation on Thursday to see the president at a hockey rink in Saginaw. "I think it is closer than it should be."

<more>

WaPo has the same story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12546-2004Oct30.html

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich., Oct. 30 -- Amy Morrison is noticeable at Saturday's rally in Michigan because of her red hair, and because she is shrieking and crying. Lately she's gone from worried that Bush might lose to terrified.

"I just want to touch him on the shoulder," she says, "I just need to see him in case I won't see him again. I'm so scared for him." She cries when she sees the first lady, she cries when she thinks the unthinkable -- "President Kerry." Now, instead of just the usual "Four more years," she pleads, "Four more years -- pleeease?"


It used to be that Bush country was the Kingdom of Supreme Confidence. Everyone in the president's orbit was doubt-free, self-assured, steady, alert at the helm. No one ever wavered or shifted with the winds (that's Kerry's thing). All that is still true, only now that buoyancy is strained.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:47 AM
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1. lol....
Something is not quite right, and like many of their fellow Republicans, they share the belief that the news media has played a role by skewing coverage in Mr. Kerry's favor.

DemEx
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:02 AM
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4. Heh-heh, yeah leaking bits of the truth will do that. Wasn't it about time
for the media to try and act responsibily for a change. I've gotta admit they have been doing a better job lately. Far from perfect, but much better than they have been.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:40 AM
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49. Responsibly? No, the media is just following power.

Now that it looks like Kerry will be the new president, suddenly we see some truth leaking thru. Where were they in 2000 when all the truth about bush was leaking out but the media would print none of it? They saw the power on the repug side then. It's just the opposite now.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:09 PM
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70. Bushes fear pedaling tactics have them terrified
They are gullable and have allowed Bush and co to scare the shit out of them. Let them friggin cry. thats what they get for being a fool.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:52 AM
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2. bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa! i knew it would happen. they know it
will happen. it's all over for bush. the only thing he can try is to use the diebold machines, but he'll get caught for sure if he does, and ousted in total shame. that will shame the whole bush legacy... he's scared, and rove is sh*tting bricks.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:00 AM
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3. More tasty morsels from the WaPo story
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 06:04 AM by JoFerret
.... the vultures seem to circle: It began with an interview that aired Monday on ABC in which "Good Morning America's" Charlie Gibson asked Bush whether in private moments he thinks about losing.
....

Friday ...Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling canceled a highly publicized appearance with Bush. Then, in the middle of the president's speech, confetti rained down 15 minutes early -- curse those local technicians! -- forcing him to continue a somber emotional speech with bits of red and blue paper clinging to him.

Everyone knows bad things come in threes. Could this be a premonition?

Reporters who travel regularly with Bush know the king is nearly unflappable in public, so look for signs from his court. Lately their ubiquity is somewhat suspicious: Dan Bartlett and Karen Hughes and Karl Rove are suddenly popping up at every rally, spinning hard....

Two weeks ago Rove sat in front of the wheel of Air Force One. Last week Rove was described in a pool report as having pranced to the back of the cabin with a surgical mask on, massaging the scalp of a correspondent, promising to "make the circumcision" and then adding something about going "commando." Are these signs that he is relaxed or that he is trying way too hard to put on a show of relaxation?

....In Bush country you see the first signs of people preparing, spiritually, for an alternate reality

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:33 AM
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19. going commando with a knife and living life as a wheel chock.
rove is hosed. he's also about to be UNEMPLOYED.

join the ranks, hosehead.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 04:12 PM
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75. Nahhh, Rove won't be unemployed
There are a lot of license plates waiting to be stamped over at his next job.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:16 PM
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60. Uh, they've been living in an altered reality for some time, now n/t
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:35 AM
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20. My view is a little larger than just *.
I'm hoping he takes the whole miserable Republican Party down with him.

Start with * and DeLay, and go from there.

Never let them regain power again.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:39 AM
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22. i'm with you. 8^)
i hope they get outsourced the moment that Kerry gets in. 8^)
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:06 AM
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5. I think there's a phrase to define this...
... Amy Morrison is noticeable at Saturday's rally in Michigan because of her red hair, and because she is shrieking and crying. Lately she's gone from worried that Bush might lose to terrified.

"I just want to touch him on the shoulder," she says, "I just need to see him in case I won't see him again. I'm so scared for him." She cries when she sees the first lady, she cries when she thinks the unthinkable -- "President Kerry." Now, instead of just the usual "Four more years," she pleads, "Four more years -- pleeease?"

... and that phrase is fanatical cult of personality.






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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:28 AM
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18. I prefer the term fanatic a- - h-- -- e.
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #5
27. Sounds like the medieval veneration
of saints. Not to mention the belief in the healing power of the king's touch. Very disturbing that any significant number of our fellow citizens (in a republic for heaven's sake) would be prone to giving this type of adulation to a politician.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:30 AM
Response to Reply #27
32. Yup...
... quite strange behavior, but it might sound that way because the religious right has invested Bush with all sorts of mystical powers that we secular commoners can't see. :)

And, privately musing about what Eric Hoffer said in The True Believer: No group is more dangerous than when it has almost attained its goal.

Cheers.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #32
78. That Hoffer quote is chilling, and that sentiment is what
frightens me most about this election. I fear that they will do anything to see their diabolical plan through to the end. :scared:
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. The True Believer...
... is well worth reading, if you want to understand the dynamics of what we would now call "faith-based" movements.

Cheers.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #27
46. Actually,
when I see those pictures of vacant-faced, obviously hysterical people (almost always women), I am reminded of the way young girls in the audience reacted to the Beatles during their first US tour.

Back then, at age 14, I was a Beatles fan, but I couldn't help but shudder at the obvious pathology of those hysterical, worshipful fans.

It creeped me out then, and it creeps me out now--only it's worse now, because the guy is running the country (into the ground).
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #46
50. Elvis and Paul McCartney...
... never had designs on taking over the country politically, as far I know. :)

Fan is just the short form of fanatic....
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:05 PM
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69. That's all I could think of too ...
maddened, screaming, adolescent fans of some personality or other, driven by surging hormone levels and the common reaction of their fellow fans.

Amy obviously needs some serious help, and Bush ain't the one to give it to her.
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Lady Effingbroke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #5
47. Oh daddydaddydaddydaddy PLEEEEEEEEEASE don't leave me!!!!
This woman has SERIOUS issues!!!
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #5
53. I remember seeing newsreels of Hitler and adoring Nazi women
crying and shrieking for THEIR Fuhrer...
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. Yup...
... kinda had those in mind, too, when I read that. :P



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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:31 PM
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61. The woman is obviously mentally ill...
what is it with these people?

It's like they can't face the truth of reality so they invent themselves a "savior" so as to absolve them of the responsibilty of taking charge of their own lives.

I have a feeling a lot of these people are going to end up in the looney bin after Bush loses.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:43 PM
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63. Well, truthfully, I think Bush...
... has a lot of qualities that would attract the mentally ill. After all, God talks to him, too. "God told me to strike Saddam, and I did." "God speaks through me."

After all, the rest of us are just those "reality-based" types.

He's among friends.... :crazy:
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:46 AM
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88. Ms. Morrison must be one very sad individual.
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 06:47 AM by mirandawright
I almost could feel sorry for her if she wasn't so pathetic.

That kind of zealotry scares me to death.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:19 AM
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6. Why oh why is poor pathetic Amy crying?
Is she crying because of the explosion of poverty in our nation? NO!

Is she crying because 1120 soldiers have died in a senseless war? No!

Perhaps she is crying because she is pro-"life" and thinks Bush is God's choice to be president.

What poor, pathetic Amy doesn't know though is that abortions increased during both the Reagan and HW Bush years, declined for 8 straight years under Clinton, and are now rising again under the chimp.

Fellow DU members, remember this fact the next time a RW freak goes off on a typical abortion tirade.


John
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:22 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. Pathetic Amy is a pathetic idiot crying for another idiot they deserve
each other.
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cubsfan forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #8
29. Poor little Amy, finally realizing
that the media and all of her kool aid drinking friends have been lying all along and that the truth is going to hit home on Nov 2.
Poor, ignorant little Amy: I feel no sympathy for you!

Professor 2
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Wols Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #29
45. That chick is soft in the head!
Big time.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:27 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. Yes - VERY useful abortion stats
Down every year with Clinton. Up every year of Bush.

Abortions go down when people can imagine getting the health care they need and the financial means to support a child.
Abortions go down when there are fewer unwanted pregnancies.
Abortions go down when people receive sex education.
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pinerow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:56 AM
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44. please point me to the stats supporting your statements on abortions...
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 09:58 AM by pinerow
I have friends here who dispute what you say. give me a source(s)...
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:23 PM
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66. OK, let me find them - edit, OK found all sorts of stats
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 02:36 PM by Bozos for Bush
It was not my intention to say anything untrue in my previous post - I remember battling RW nut cases on AOL message boards during 2000, and this was one of the hot topics.

If you google on "abortion statistics" you can find a wide-range of so-called official stats on the number of abortions in the US each year. It appears that the rate started to decline around 1988, so HW Bush's administration did make some progress towards the goal of less abortions. Stats at various sites do conclusively show that this trend continued during the Clinton years - for example, one site shows a rate of around 30% as late as 1987, but a rate of 24% percent by 2000.

This topic isn't one of my favorites, and I'm sure there are thousands of DU members more informed than myself...personally, I think abortion is a bad thing, but I still support a woman's right to choose because I have no business telling a woman what she can or cannot do with her situation...especially if she was raped and carrying a fetus conceived from an evil, immoral act.

John
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:22 AM
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7. The CHIMP and THE POODLE getting ready for the holidays !!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:29 AM
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10. Steve Bell on the same theme for the Black Watch
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:32 AM
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11. Bullshit...These mutherfuckers are scared!
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:36 AM
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12. Sounds like a lot of people with empty minds and no life.
But so many do think this way. We did have people drinking kool-aid if you recall.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:49 AM
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25. Talking of empty minds. Here is a great game
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:42 AM
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13. If God wants the chimp to be President, and he doesn't win,

they know damned well it means there is no God.

Just tell 'em to quit whining and deal with it.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:55 AM
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14. Or worse, that Gawd doesn't like their chosen savior *
and they have been praying to a false god all these years. Can they handle that level of cognitive dissonance? I doubt it. Expect to hear lot's of wingnuts talking about tests of faith starting Wednesday.

They'll quickly shift from "Gawd ensures that the right person assumes office" to "Gawd is testing our resolve to oust the blasphemous heretic" without even noticing the logical bump in the road.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #13
40. Nah, it will just mean the Devil is gaining a stronger
foothold in the world - us heathens are responsible for this disaster.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:56 AM
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15. Bush is correct in predicting "a great victory on Nov. 2"...
...HERE is a photo of what it will look like.



:toast:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:09 AM
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16. Bush the prophet
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:40 AM
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23. man it's going to be sweet!
i love it!
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:31 AM
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41. He should be able to be a mint as spokesman for a lumber yard
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:40 AM
Response to Reply #15
24. Yes! A Great victory for America! President John Kerry!
Kerry in a landslide!
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:53 AM
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28. That is a GREAT photo for a poster, BEB! Very professional! nt
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cubsfan forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:29 AM
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31. Kick! n/t
Professor 2
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:21 AM
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17. what amazes me is....
these fanatics even recognize bush* is losing. My RW fundy sister must have had way too much kool-aid, she thinks things are going great for bush* and OBL on TV was good for him! :crazy:
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:37 AM
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21. Shrieking, weeping, sobbing - Yeah I'd cry too if I was at a * rally!
Kerry in a landslide!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:49 AM
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cubsfan forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:30 AM
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33. Yes, GOTV
Hmmmmmmmm, another low poster who just happens to repeat rethug talking points.

Professor 2
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jackofhearts Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:29 AM
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30. How deluded are these people...
I mean MY GOD...crying, shreiking...shedding tears over seeing Laura, wanting to touch W. You know I want Kerry to win but I'll be damned if I put any politician on some goddamned pedestal of reverance. None of 'em deserve that kind of respect. This is what gets me the most about these ignorant bush backers...the reverance of the guy. If you want him instead of Kerry fine. But putting some kind of creepy halo around the dumb fucks head and kneeling before him as if he were some kind of saint is just plain psychotic. How the fuck has the rove spin machine managed to get sooooo many people to believe this.

In my mind there is only 1 person in the last 100 hundred years in America who might deserve that kind of respect...MLK.
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:50 AM
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36. I think that we will
see hours and wonderful hours of shrieking and crying from the repukes on Tuesday evening and Wed. I remember it when the Big Dog won and I will see it again. Bottoms up!
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MidwestMomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #30
37. Just what I was thinking
How have they brainwashed these people to literally worship the man that I see as a bumbling stumbling a-hole. It's scary!
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #30
55. that's what you get when you apotheotize some dirty chimp
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:14 PM
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59. I SWEAR there is a Messiah thing going on there...
with Bush's photo ops of him 'laying hands' on the kid's foreheads, saying 'bless you my son' to the troops and touching each shoulder', saying he gets messages from God.. This is a CULT. Bush honestly thinks that he is Jesus' brother.. the one God doesn't talk about too much.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:26 PM
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67. the Marvin of Messiahdom?
Is that it?
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cubsfan forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:42 PM
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62. Kick! n/t
Professor 2
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:11 PM
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65. This is just sooo weird, wanting just to touch him. Not unlike the crowds
wanting to touch Christ when he was walking through the crowds.

These people all belong in a room with padded walls. Their 'savior' is nothing more than a corrupt petty greedy bloody-fingered failure who pretends that God speaks to him. I don't believe for one minute the crap about his religious beliefs guiding him. That's impossible. If he was a true believer in the teachings of Jesus Christ, his actions would be the total opposite of what he has been doing.

The words God and bush* in the same sentence are enough to cause a thinking human being mental whiplash. OBL and bush* are the same man, both convinced that they carry a messianic message, but who are really only promoters of death and destruction. When you listen to one, you can hear echos of the other in their words. George Carlin once said that religion is the most toxic substance on earth. He was so right.

Then again, there's the obvious that these people are too blind to see. His remard "there will be no casualities" when speaking to Pat Robertson. If he was speaking to God, God would have told him that he would be personally responsible for the deaths of the people in his insane corrupt war. And if he was speaking as a rational human being, he would have acknowledged that the natural outcome from sending troops into battle is death.

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:35 AM
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34. "Ya gots to suffa if ya wants to sing the blues"
:+
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:46 AM
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35. when you muzzle dissent in your own party it comes back to bite you. When
you play to only select audiences you get the false sense of security. Criticism is important to forming good policy, when you shut out the dissenting opinions of most of America, you basically have given people reason to vote against you.

Bye bye Dubya.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:14 AM
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38. Kerry will have a tough job as president
These Bush idolizers will not go quietly.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:17 AM
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39. Be Afraid, GOP; Be VERY Afraid
Retribution, the payback, karma, whatever you recognize as truth and consequences, is coming.

US courts, and RICO, which you tried to gut, for the election fraud and the operatives.

ICJ at the Hague, which you tried to ignore, for the figureheads and and plotters and war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Bankruptcy for the thieves.

Contumely for the criminal.

But worst of all will be the ghosts that visit you, the dead ones you killed, and the live ones who report to the world your inhuman acts.

And for the fools: you are going to reap the benefits of seeing your false gods melted down. Peace, prosperity, the blessings of liberty, one man one vote, and universal health care. You will not deserve it, and you will probably try to destroy it again, because you will have to share with everyone. Too bad. Maybe you will learn something. Not going to hold out much hope of that, but it could happen.
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texas is the reason Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 04:01 PM
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74. amen, brother- time for the rapture!!!!
feel the righteous retribution of the dialectic! fuckers.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 04:35 PM
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76. I think it's funny how their rapture theology
predicts all kind of evil and nastiness for those "left behind" to deal with. I'm starting to wish there really would be a rapture. The more I learn about these people, it seems like the earth would be a much nicer place if they all left.
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texas is the reason Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:39 AM
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85. yup, if we could just remove the fundies- maybe reason and logc..
could reign supreme once again. the battle is not democrat vs. republican this time- it is socrates vs. the dark aqes. plato vs. salem. democracy and reason must preail.
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modrepub Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:36 AM
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42. Without help
from the Senate and House Kerry is going to have a very hard time. Expect sabatoge because the opposition would rather have a wreck than someone else driving...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:50 AM
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43. B-b-b-b-b-ut if Kerry wins, the world will come to an end
Last two paragraphs:

<snip>
But Young is not blinkered; she reads the newspapers, knows how hair-thin a margin Bush has in Ohio. Only this week she began to consider the impossible, that Bush could be right and still lose -- and put that together with her conviction that God knows what He's doing.

"If that happens, the Lord must want Kerry to be in there," she says. "If that happens, it must be the Lord is telling us we're living in the Last Days, and we'd better prepare."
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:37 AM
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48. I'm not up on theology, even less on freakology. . .
but can someone explain how Bush as Pretzeldent leads us to the End Times, while at the same time Kerry as President prepares us for the Last Days? If both ideas are true, does it matter to God who's President, or has he already cast the cosmic die?
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:10 PM
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79. Relax.
Jesus said that no one will know when the end times will come.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:46 PM
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73. Whoa.

Now that is some SERIOUS Kool-Aid that lady is drinking.

Wow.

If her party loses an election, it's a sign that the end of the world is at hand.

Seriously : wow.

This takes the whole "God is a Republican" schtick to a whole new level. And the signs at the entrance to that level read --> "Caution : Insane People Ahead", "No Sharp Objects".


MDN

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stlsax Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:02 AM
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89. Lazy or Stoopid?- You Decide!
"If that happens, the Lord must want Kerry to be in there," she says. "If that happens, it must be the Lord is telling us we're living in the Last Days, and we'd better prepare."

Haven't they needed to prepare since Bush assumed the White House in 2000? Those "end-timers" are either lazy (Bush and God will prepare the way for Armageddon) or stupid (Bush and God will prepare the way for Armegeddon)... or both!

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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:52 AM
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51. She just wants to touch him on the shoulder???
I'm starting to really worry about the mental health of our citizens!
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 12:45 PM
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52. Listening to BOOSH, they get the music,
Gazing at BOOSH, they get the heat;
Following BOOSH, they climb the mountain
They get excitement at his feet

Right behind BOOSH, they see the millions,
On BOOSH, they see the glory
From BOOSH, they get opinions
From BOOSH, they get the story...
(apologies to Pete Townshend)

TOUCH me boosh*! HEAL me, boosh*! SAVE me, boosh*! Give me your golden staff, boosh*!

Some of these people have some serious issues to work out. I remember that one of the Commandments is that thou shalt have no other Gods before me...

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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 12:59 PM
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54. Bush in White House = God Existence. Bush losing = No God
The reason these lemming Repuke followers are so worried is the prospect that their "savior in the White House" can't lose if there is a God. Many of these Xtian nutballs have said as much...

But, if Bush loses, then logically it must mean that there isn't a God, of alternatively that God would prefer that a non-Christian conservative be in the White House.

In essence, they are boxed in by their own predictions that Bush has been ordained by their God.

JB

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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:27 PM
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71. However, their logic will begin to be subject to
rationalization as soon as Bush is voted out. That will no longer mean that there is no God, as far as they are concerned. It will mean that the evil libruls, with their satan-loving ways, have flown in the face of God, and that God will reward the Bushies for loving their savior.

At no point will people like this ever entertain the notion that there is "no God". They'll just wiggle their viewpoint around until they come up with a concept that suits them again.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:10 PM
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56. heheh I'm glad their anxiety level is going up.
They should be getting a little sweaty right about now.

I've read in several places that the race is over. Bush has lost. The numbers simply aren't there for him, short of a Gandalf-rides-over-the-crest type of thing.

Randi Rhodes said that the Rat-publican party has poured in well over a million dollars for the Bush campaign. She whispered....."one thousand million"....think about it.

They have to keep going at this point because the commercials have been paid for. They've simply GOT to keep the machinery moving. But as far as winning - no. I've seen candid photos of Bush these past few days, and his face reveals what I already know to be true.



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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:13 PM
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58. That woman is certifiably INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG! Shrieking and crying??? Seriously. Bush attracts some really sick fanatics.
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hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:10 PM
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64. Their to smug, they believe they can’t lose.
Don’t mean to insult anyone, but if ya’all out there think this administration is going to allow Bush to lose (fair and square) there drinking spiked juice. You See, I believe (and Hope) if they lose they will all go to jail, because, the secrecy veil will be slowing pulled back by a new power base to reveal civil and criminally activities of many that now serve the white house.

We are going to be in for a fight. So I suggest that we all prepare mentally for this eventuality. Don’t get me wrong I would like nothing better than to see this Idiot and his NEO-Commies gone but I’m a realist and like Bush ( ho my God did I just say that) my GUT tells me they have far to much to lose, to lose.
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:55 PM
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68. ^^^Yeah well don't forget
Kerry is on the job-his record is all about uncovering scandal and he has his people ready in florida and all over the nation.We won't let the crooks in the republcian party steal this election again.

Iv felt it in my soul for a long while now that Americans would take back their country from these thugs.
Nov2 has been a long time coming.PACK YOUR BAGS shrub.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:31 PM
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72. Shreaking and crying? She just needs to touch him? Does she want to
wash his feet with her hair, as well? I think she needs help.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 04:38 PM
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77. Hey, NYT! Try "Exultant" you mooks. n/t
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symphony Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:12 PM
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81. When will people start thinking for themselves
Hi everyone :hi: , long-time lurker, first-time poster. And no, I'm not a troll!

Amy, I have 3 words for you "My pet goat".

It just drives me nuts that people refuse to use their brain cells - information is freely available nowadays, Amy, open your eyes and look around. Daddy Bushco is not gonna take a bullet for you. As for the end times, that's a load of evangelical crap. Evangelicals do not own the truth on God-related issues and they should stop trying to jam it down our throats.

Me mad ...
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:16 PM
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82. I've always considered that if there is such a thing
that the chimp is the antichrist. Responsible for the killings of tens of thousands of innocents... lying, cheating, stealing, torturing and through it all having the unmitigated gall to say that God talks to him and tells him to do the horrible things that he does. And these poor fools that believe his lies because he knows and uses their code words and invokes the name of the "lord" or "Jesus" in all his speeches.

If Jesus was to return now, these sick people would surely murder him because he wouldn't be bringing the message that they want to hear.

Welcome to DU symphony!
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symphony Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:34 PM
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83. thanks, arikara
According to Christian teachings, Jesus was, above all, "the prince of peace". Sounds nothing like the lying cheat of a warmonger we currently have for a president.

You've summarized it all so well in your post! I agree with you 100%. What worries me most is that some people deliberately choose to be helpless and mediocre and gullible. The easiest way out, close your mind, let no thought pass through, be blind to the events that surround you.

This lady was "terrified" that the end times were coming and I pity her. Doesn't their doctrine teach them that no one, not even Jesus knows when the end times will come; that only the Father knows?

Well, why am I getting worked up here, there will be people like this - always. I have a friend like that - she is fed this stuff in church - what a pity! Fear raining down from the pulpit.

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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:30 PM
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84. Hahahaha, they should be 'terrified'
by the thought of another 8 years of peace and prosperty and being respected in the World the way we were under Democratic President Clinton. Yeah, we could be in for all that again under Democratic President Kerry oooooeeeeee :scared: Bwahahahaha! :bounce:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:38 AM
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86. just a little bit of
"LUNACY", should read.
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GoBlue Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:35 AM
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87. Another point of view.
It seems possible to me that the sheeple are very afraid that they are about to lose their leader, their idol, who was chosen by God to protect them from the truth. Or put another way, the greatest fear of a hypocrit is to have their faith in hypocrisy destroyed.

On a certain level I feel sorry for them, but all things considered, I'll be delighted if the embodiment of their hypocrisy is rejected by the people.
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