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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:34 PM
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Sparks couple take vote battle to state high court
Sparks couple take vote battle to state high court: Allegations involve canvasser for Republican-backed organization

A Sparks couple who claim a Republican-backed voter drive lost or destroyed their Democratic registration forms have taken their case to the Nevada Supreme Court.

The Ambersons' receipts show their forms were among those assigned to Voter's Outreach of America, which is operated by Republican-backed Sproul & Associates of Phoenix.

Sproul has been investigated by Nevada and Oregon state officials about allegations that workers destroyed voter registration forms from Democrats.

Washoe Registrar Dan Burk has said voters ultimately are responsible for turning in their voter registration forms.

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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:39 PM
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1. This is where I differ with alot of people on DU
They got what they deserved. If you to busy to take care of such an important right, you don't deserve to vote.
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snoochie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 09:10 PM
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5. Yes, why make it easier to vote?
Let's all support the current state of affairs, that's been working just fine so far.

:eyes:
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 09:12 PM
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6. Yea it's a shame that some things in life you should have
To work for.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 09:51 PM
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8. Like the right to vote?
Edited on Sat Oct-30-04 09:51 PM by Pithlet
Are you serious?
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:54 AM
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18. If it's a right, why should you have to work for it?
People have worked and even died for this right in the past, but only because the right that WAS THEIRS TO BEGIN WITH was being denied illegally.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 09:50 PM
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7. The people they gave their registrations forms to
had an obligation to turn those in. It's like blaming the homeowner because their lock failed to work instead of the burglar who actually comitted the crime.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 10:21 PM
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9. So that gives the repuke organizations
the right to do whatever the hell they want with registrations that don't favor them? What bullshit!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:06 AM
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10. freetobegay, you are a con-artist & fraud enabler/supporter, then.
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 01:13 AM by w4rma
Also, you're being hypocritical. You call voting an "important right", yet when someone else has their right to vote damaged you don't care. You don't seem to believe it is a very important right to me.
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:41 AM
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14. yeah you are different from most DUers
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:56 AM
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16. You can't possibly be as stupid as your post sounds.
You think they deserved to have fraud committed?

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:16 AM
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17. They did take care of it
That's the way we register voters, voter registration drives. You bop around the fair, find a booth, and register. We've done it that way forever. Why should people have to be on the lookout for scam artists? Why should we have to live in a world where we can't trust anybody? The Republican Party was part of this and they should have to suffer huge consequences for it.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 07:17 AM
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19. Not only do you differ with a lot of people on DU, you differ
with a fundamental pillar of a functioning democracy!!! You would eliminate those who are "too busy". Why not eliminate those who don't own property or those without a 'y' chromosome?
What the hell is wrong with making it easy and simple for EVERY citizen to register and vote??
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:29 AM
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21. Idiot
I, and many others here in Summit County Ohio, sat on street corners and in front of local businesses for many days in August and September to register new voters, hand out absentee application forms and do changes of address. We were there to assist and enable people to vote.

WE DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT, NOR DID WE EVER TRY, TO DESTROY THOSE FORMS. DOING SO WOULD HAVE BEEN BOTH ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL.

The people we registered trusted us to do the right thing and we did. Sproul and company had the same obligation to the people that trusted them and to the country. In my mind they are no less than traitors to this country. Every one of them should have their citizen stripped from them and then be deported.

They hate America and our system so much, let them go find a country with a better system to live in. (Said with my full sense of irony intact, thank you!
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:41 PM
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2. FBI is investigating...
The scam will be blamed on the voters and it'll be a closed case. :eyes:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:54 PM
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3. It's a felony
Edited on Sat Oct-30-04 08:55 PM by Carolab
if proven but they need proof. Depends on whether or not they accept the witness (former Voter Outreach employee) statement(s), and the ripped up forms they recovered, I suppose.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:10 AM
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11. They got the proof. They got the receipts. That's what the receipts are
at the bottom of each blank form for. Each receipts is also tied back to the group that ordered the registration forms so that there is a trail back to that group when voter fraud such as this is committed.
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ecoalex Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 09:05 PM
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4. The reps signed a consent decree
in the late 70's to stop all voter disenfranchaisement schemes, they signed a cease and desist order nationwide. But one name, john ashcroft , and you know , no efforts of enforcement will happen. Got to love patronage.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:18 AM
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13. Apparently the people have receipts to
show that they registered, so they are one-up on the ones who destroyed the registration.
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sr_pacifica Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:51 AM
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15. People have been registering this way for many years
---allowing a second party to turn in their registrations. And there has been no problem to the degree of what happened in Nevada. This has happened because the Republican Party is now in the hands of desperate and ruthless thugs who will do anything to keep this country in their control.
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shampton Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:13 AM
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12. Vote cherishing
One beneficial outcome of all this vote madness is illustrated by how people now cherish their vote. As a canvasser/phone banker, I know first-hand how careful and focused everyone is on their vote counting. It's wonderful. Oregon is predicting an 84 percent voters turnout which is unprecedented.
I talked to a 92-year-old woman tonight on the phone bank whose son had tossed her ballot. After we talked awhile, she decided that she would like to vote after all, so people will be following up with her and her son so she can cast her vote for Kerry.
If all these newly registered voters like the outcome, maybe they'll develop the habit of voting and we'll have a real democracy going.
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PDX Bara Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:02 AM
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20. Voting
I so cherish my right to vote that I will be driving 650 miles today to be able to vote where I recently bought a home and registered (Tigard, OR). I had thought I would be moved in by today but circumstances conspired otherwise. I mailed in my voter registration but now wonder if I am indeed registered. When I last voted (March in Berkeley CA), I insisted on a paper ballot when I saw the Diebold machines. They gave it to me but I have since wondered if it was ever counted. This country is no longer the republic that our forefathers fought and died for to establish. From the New World Dictionary of the American Language: "republic: a) a state or nation in which the supreme power rests rests in all the citizens entitled to vote (the electorate) and is exercised by representatives elected, directly or indirectly, by them and responsible to them..." If memory serves me right (which it often doesn't!), weren't term limits for the presidency imposed after a very popular Democratic president was elected to a third term?
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