WashPo daily tracking.... Bush +1, Kerry -2..... 50-47....

[flowomo]

sorry if this is a dupe. Didn't see it yet.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/2004/charting.html

[KittyWampus]

1. Why Post This Without Internal Info That Breaks It Down?

[flowomo]

2. follow the link and get all the "internals" they offer

[KittyWampus]

6. YOU Posted This. And The Numbers As You Posted Are Meaningless

[flowomo]

9. seem pretty clear to me.... exactly as reported on WP's front page

n/t

[flowomo]

11. ooops, actually Bush +2, Kerry -1

sorry for that little error

[IndianaGreen]

13. Did you even notice the hyperlinks above the chart?

Hyperlinks such as "Today's Full Results" and "Results by Demographics"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/2004/charting.html

[nine30]

3. What the FUCK is going on ????

All the polls are more or less showing that Bush has gained after the final debate. Has this nation lost its mind ??? Is Cheney's f*g daughter now the main issue of this campaign?

I just cannot understand why this is happening. Somebody please explain to me.

[flyingfysh]

4. here is the explanation

Rove

[nine30]

10. OK, but what specifically is Rove doing ? (nt)

[Name removed]

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[nine30]

43. Then why...

..doesn't she come out and make a statement? There was absolutely nothing offensive in what Kerry said..compare that to what her mother said about Kerry (a "bad man" and a "pig").

[depakid]

34. What's going on is that you're buying into the marketing

Just like you might think Big Mac's are good for your children or that eating at Subway will help you lose weight.

[Sinnerman]

35. 100% Propaganda SPIN

What is going on with these POLLS...... Newsweek showing Bush up 6 Pts. (BIG LIE) Do you think this propaganda is from the Ask Dick Cheney's Daughter About Being a Lesbian comment. ?? I don't...... I think it a Freaking conspiracy.

[fujiyama]

5. Tracking polls are nutty

Rasmussen has Kerry up one today (still trails Bush but by like 2 points). Zogby has it unchanged at a 4 point lead for Bush.

Looking at the battlegrounds they're just about tied.

It's still a close election. Turn out is all that matters at this point.

[PCIntern]

7. Two words...

Bull Shit.

[dolstein]

12. Funny, two other words came to mind . . . "Mary Cheney"

NT

[lancdem]

21. And now that two-day story is dead

I think.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Bush and Kerry were tied at 48% yesterday

How can Bush be ahead after losing 3 straight Presidential debates? The poll internals appear no different from what they were before, so I can only presume that no one's mind was changed by the debates and that the race is exactly where it was weeks ago. This election will be won by whichever side gets the largest turnout (assuming all the votes are properly counted).

[The Zanti Regent]

15. The Answer is Jesus

You have millions of idiots watching Jesus TV and totally brainwashed in ways Hitler or Stalin never imagined

[IndianaGreen]

17. Well, let's get more of us to the polls

than the plastic-Jesus-in-dashboard crowd.

[nine30]

18. Parts of America still living in the Medieval Age

Sadly true. Despite America's advancement and technological know-how, a large segment of the population is still living in the Dark Ages, mostly around the Heartland, the Mountain States and of course the South. And unitl this segment isn't 'civilized', the Democrats will never be in a comfortable position.

[wrate]

27. We have a winner!

[pfitz59]

14. Pollsters are lying shits.....

CNN had banner displaying electoral college breakdown. Flat out says "Bush won", as if the election has already taken place! Its in your face BS, nothing subliminal about it! COMCAST is the worst! The "Feith Family" (Doug Feith, neo-con wackjob) are largest stockholders. They place REPUKE/PRO-BUSH ads all over their channels, superseding the independent stations! Really sucks....

[nine30]

16. Kerry's Post Debate 1 gain elastic..

That is the worst case scenario I am thinking. People were impressed with him after the fist debate but their minds are now being reset back to the post Repub convention period.

Ironically it seems the worse the news that comes out of Iraq the more Bush gains, as if somehow its Kerry's fault.

[alcuno]

19. 10/15/00 ABC/Washington Post Poll - Bush 48% Gore 44%

And at election time, the Post still had Bush up. Could they be wrong again????

[Sinnerman]

36. Bush Lost an easy 3-4 Points From the DWI October Suprise

Just before the Election in 2000 (5 Days) the Report that Bush had a DWI cost him 3-4 Points. We need another October Surprise just before Election

[qanda]

20. I think many of you discounted the impact of Mary Cheney

I was one who said that John Kerry should have nipped this in the bud the very first day (apologize or whatever). I thought it was unnecessary for Kerry to mention the Vice-president's daughter and I knew Bush/Cheney would milk it for all it was worth. Maybe somebody in the Kerry camp will start listening to everyday people who a feel for this kind of stuff. Maybe some of the polls will wake them up.

[lancdem]

22. I'm pretty sure the worst is over

I can't imagine their internal polls showed much of a change or they would've reacted ASAP.

[BlueNomad]

23. ..some of that is probably

related but I see that as soft support if it swings your vote for that comment...This is a very volatile time. This issue has proably run its course and hopefully will not be replaced with more filler. With 14 days left that alleged lead could contract and expand a few more times over... I would caution everyone to focus on GOTV especially in the battleground states. I live in DC but I am reminding all of my Maryland relatives and friends to not be dispirited or trifling and to get themselves come hell or highwater to the polls....

[Sinnerman]

37. I AGREE but the gaffe(s) were from KAHIL & MRS. EDWARDS

I believe Kerry was being positive about the comment and staying out of the Politic spectrum.... The Gaffe was from Kerry Senior Advisor Kahil that Quoted "She" Mary Cheney was "Fair Game" That immediately made it Political and then Mrs. Edwards that slammed Mrs. Chaney for being ashamed of there daughter. Out of all that Bull crap It wasn't Kerry.... It was Mrs. Edwards comment that put itt over the top

[Fed Up]

24. don't worry, this poll is too tight to matter.

even if it said Kerry 50, Bush 47, I would have milked no satisfaction from it.


It's October 16, worrying about polls now is fruitless.

With luck, we'll kick ass in 2 weeks and make them eat their phony polls. So let these creeps play their poll games until then.

On election day, somebody will win and somebody will lose, and no poll today will change that outcome.

[are_we_united_yet]

25. Folks

It has been said before but should be said again: Don't get caught up in polls. Otherwise, you will follow the statistical fluctuations as though it was the score of a basketball game.

Do you honestly think people are saying "Hmmmm...I know Bush has been incompetent on every policy domestic and foreign, has butchered the economy (which is of course Clinton's fault), divided the Country in a way no other President could do and given Corporate America a blank check to screw this country and sell of all of its lands to make into one giant sub-division surrounded by strip malls, but Kerry wen too far by acknowledging that lesbian member of the Cheney family. I'm forced to vote for W."


If W or Kerry were WAYYYYYYYYYY ahead, I say be concerned or elated as apprpriate. Otherwise, resist the temptation to get wrapped up in this poll as though it were an exact indication of the election outcome.

[carrotpineapple]

28. It's not just this poll

I agree with you, but there were about 5 polls today. Every single one has Bush up. The momentum is clearly going Bush's way right now, and there is no debate or anything for Kerry to stop it. Voter turnout is everything.

[are_we_united_yet]

38. The poll

is not a basketball score. That statement needs to be understood. Give another analogy, its like tryting to detect a heart problem by measuring the pulse every fifteen seconds.

My advice (if you want it) stop fretting over these polls. If you don't, fret away.

[JackDragna]

31. No, people are just saying..

.."Kerry is a stoned-face, flip-flopping liberal who can't make his mind up about the war" because Kerry let the Republicans walk all over him when it counted. The meaning of the latest polls is this: Kerry waited too long to fight back. People have made up their minds. Debacles like the Cheney thing hurt, particularly when the press blows them up from nothing, but Kerry sat on his hands when he should have been hammering the president months ago.

[are_we_united_yet]

40. I didn't read that from this poll.

Nor should you IMHO. Yes negative campaining does work surprise. But this isn't a basketball or football game. This isn't a high resolution snapshot of the outcome of the election. There is still time for things to happen and they will.

Newspaper endorsements are just beginning to come out, the Iraq war is still going on, the economy is still hemmoraging jobs, and political operatives are still maneuvering for advantage. All of these are potentially bibgger than the margin of disparity of these polls. What is the sense of drawing conclusions from them at this point.

If you think its over and an inevitable win for W then I don't have anything else to offer you in this conversation.

[cubsfan forever]

41. The "meaning" of the latest polls

is corporate media propaganda. It is interesting to see you repeating Republican/Nader "talking points" as if Democrats should concede the election. Kerry said the exactly same thing (re Cheney) that Edwards did; this is a "debacle" only in the minds of right-wingers. BTW:What "'people' are just saying" these things?

Professor 2

[nolabels]

42. Pollsters are like firemen

Every time a group of rich goons see something they don't like, they get these pollster folks together and send them out to get some data. The trick is how accurate the data is. I am sure there can be many nuanced responses and fine nuggets that they use to build their campaigns on. This type of operation would only seem work in the long run and you got to know we are in the middle of some of Roves plans (it’s way too late for him to start another big one at this time).

Getting people worried, complacent and thinking they are of little consequence is how they are trying to manipulate people right now. The writing has been on the wall all along; even some of the corporate whores have even come out and said it quite a few times.

The trick is to get and keep the hammer pounding bush without seeming partisan. We know if they make enough worry about how the selected candidate is doing rather than how badly we would want the other guy out, then their polling and plan of attack was successful.

They are trying to put reason in peoples head while they are not angry they can only do this when it’s quiet. This will mean that they will try to keep a lid on the news for the next two weeks while they do this. Thank goodness even the best managers cannot manage real news. I think we will have the wind at our back for just some of those reasons.


Indymedia Seizure Signals Clampdown on Dissent
by Katherine Stapp

Free speech advocates say the six-day shutdown of nearly two dozen Web sites belonging to Indymedia is a severe blow to democratic principles and, perhaps, an ominous sign of things to come.
(snip)
"This is clearly going beyond tracking down al-Qaeda cell members," Steinhardt said, referring to the terrorist group believed responsible for the 2001 attacks on New York and the Pentagon and the reason for which the Bush administration launched its "war on terrorism" soon after 9/11.

He considers the seizure, "an indication of the growing importance of independent media and Internet communications, which have become the medium through which dissent is expressed. Unfortunately, this is a time when dissent is not being tolerated and vehicles for dissent are being punished."

The servers were returned without explanation on Oct. 13, although Indymedia says it will not use them until they have been checked for tampering.
(snip)
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/stapp.php?articleid=3802

[w4rma]

26. Yadda yadda, up, down, bounce, bump. IGNORE the polls. Work, instead. (nt)

[LincolnMcGrath]

29. MEANINGLESS!!! Remember 2000

Tracking poll: Bush holds on to advantage
October 27, 2000
Web posted at: 6:23 p.m. EDT (2223 GMT)

By CNN Polling Director Keating Holland


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Today's CNN/USA Today/Gallup tracking poll continues to give George W. Bush an advantage over Vice President Al Gore.





While not a prediction of the voters' choice in November, Friday's results show Bush garnering 52 percent of the vote and Gore drawing 39 percent. The survey of 851 likely voters was conducted October 24-26 and has a 3.5 percentage point margin of error.

[Chomskyite]

32. Do you have a link to where this was originally posted?

n/t

[LincolnMcGrath]

39. yep

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/27/tracking.poll/

[depakid]

33. Gee, how meaningful

Tracking who? where? How?