Retired Gen. Franks Criticizes Kerry

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

RENO, Nev. - Retired Gen. Tommy Franks launched a four-state campaign swing for President Bush by criticizing Sen. John Kerry's anti-Vietnam War activities and voting record on the military.

Franks, former commander of forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, faulted Kerry's votes on major weapons systems and intelligence issues, and against the 1991 Gulf War.

"If his voting record ruled the day, Saddam Hussein would not only be running Iraq but Kuwait," Franks told about 200 people Sunday at a Reno rally.

http://www.optonline.net/News/Article/Feeds?CID=type%3Dxml%26channel%3D32%26article%3D12728657

In other words, he begged Kerry to be SecDef and Kerry told him to go pound sand up his ass. Franks is a no-class skell.

[TwilightZone]

1. Oh, good - another sellout.

It amazes me at the number of these guys who are willing to just turn off their brains and give in to blind faith.

[MADem]

7. You expect anything else from him?

He is from MIDLAND, he was promoted to one level above his paygrade of competence, and he knows the only way to get work in the corporate private sector is to toady up to the weecowboy. He was spoiled by that personal cook and underwear washer and the guys who polished his shoes, made his bed, drove him around in a hard car, protected him when he was in a dangerous theater of operations, and ensured that his fly was zipped and he didn't put his ribbons on upside down when he got dressed in the morning. These poor bastards shopped for him, ironed his paper, served him his meals, walked his dog if he had one, and did everything short of wiping his ass.

It is a horrible, painful transition for general officers when they retire, in the BEST of circumstances. They can't understand why the bozos in WalMart and the grocery store don't leap and stand at attention when they make demands. If they can't supplement their retirement income sufficiently to hire a few illegal aliens to do their bidding, they are flat out miserable until they come back down to the real world with the rest of us ordinary folk.

[saigon68]

32. They didn't wipe his ASS They licked it with their Tongues

He supports all kinds of DRAFT DODGERS including CHENEY WOLFOWITZ and others

HE IS A SCUMMY ASSHOLE.

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[coalition_unwilling]

43. Franks should stand trial for war crimes

"Just obeying orders" is not exculpatory, according to precedent laid down by Nuremburg Tribunals

[roguevalley]

2. Every kid that dies in Iraq is blood on his hands. Someone should be

at his dirty little talks with signs.

[acmavm]

3. Didn't Franks, when asked, if Kerry was capable of being CIC answer

yes?

I sure seem to remember this happening about a couple of months ago.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong or having a senior moment.

[shanti]

4. two senior moments...

one here. i (think i) remember franks being very critical recently of *ush. did he just drink the koolaid?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

40. you are correct. Franks said it. eom

[gmoney]

5. Fuck. Tommy. Franks.

Why did we trust a big part of our armed forces to a grown man named "Tommy"?

[Sputnik]

49. Oh, no! A flip-flop?

FlipFloppingFranks. Yep.

[MODemocrat]

53. Good post Gmoney, but methinks you are flattering Tommy

By saying he's a grown man; He probably wants to be called General, even though he's a has-been. He can go straight to hell in a hand basket as far as I'm concerned; how dare he lie on John Kerry just because he was handed his orders from the lying Bush administration.
My tax dollars were used to pay Tommy's salary while he was in the military, but he needs to quit draining the taxpayers now that he has joined up with Bush and all his hundreds of millions. John Kerry is the Patriot here,

not you,Tommy. :puke:

[whistle]

That is total bullshit that Tommy Franks is repeating....

...Kerry's approach makes sense, Bush's policies have failed. It is a good thing that Tommy Franks retired because he would have a lot of explaining to do about why he was not able to maintain security after his blitzkrieg toppling of the Saddam regime and thus set the stage to win the peace in Iraq. Time for a change not only of the Bush administration, but among those who were proponents of the Bush policies.

[tabasco]

6. Screw him.

He took his troops into the most dangerous phase of the war and then bailed on them. Make no mistakes - Franks knew the battle in Iraq had just begun. He bailed out and acted like a hero for decimating what was left of the weak Iraqi army. He knew we had only been in 5% of Baghdad when we only secured the airport.
Abizaid is better but they are both yes-men. It is a terrible thing when military leaders lack moral courage.

[FightingIrish]

8. Franks is in my town tomorrow.

He's speaking at an invitation only Republican event. He's followed by John Edwards on Wednesday and * on Thursday (if not licking his debate wounds). The last word goes to General Tony McPeak who joins us on Friday. Peak is a reformed Bush supporter. Franks is an opportunist with ambitions.

[LynnTheDem]

9. Guess Franks doesn't know that CHENEY voted to CUT MORE WEAPONS SYSTEMS

on the SAME BILLS as Kerry did.

And I guess Franks ALSO DOESN'T KNOW that IN FACT the REPUBLICANS went ahead and CUT FAR MORE WEAPONS SYSTEMS than Kerry and the Dems had ever wanted cut.

And I guess Franks ALSO DOESN'T KNOW that IN FACT the cuts Kerry wanted on the "intell issues" were to cut some programs that IN FACT turned out to be total RAMPANT FRAUD.

Yes...HOW DARE Kerry vote to CUT LESS WEAPONS SYSTEMS THAN CHENEY!!!

Yes...HOW DARE Kerry vote to CUT FRAUDULANT INTELL PROGRAMS!!!

MISTER Franks; there is a reason so many of us military members think you're a stupid little man.

[DaveofCali]

23. they know that they are hypocrites, but all they care about is winning n/t

[speedoo]

10. F*** you Tommy.

You left Iraq with too small a force in place and almost 1100 young Americans are dead as a result. Their blood is on your hands, scumbag.

[juliagoolia]

11. Retired Gen. Franks Criticizes Kerry

Some will sell their soul for a proiven FLOP! Think about it for a min here. Franks and Bushie are in this together.. The talk is about poor planning etc..and who was asked to put together the plan? Franks? Less than Frank ... weiner?

Look folks, Kerry has more EX Generals on his side anyway.. ! HA!

[NVMojo]

14. Tommy sucks!

And you gotta realize, Nevada is being bombarded by these neocons. Laura was here again, in Reno, last week. What really sucks is that the Reno Gazette Journal had headlines a few days ago about how Bush will be back again and Kerry hasn't even bothered with butthole Reno. Demos had the state just a few short weeks ago, a battleground state. After the latest round of voter registrations, the Repukes have it. This is war, folks. These fuckers aren't about to give up the White House.

[Dark Jedi]

12. Another Red State Redneck

Tommy Franks is just another Bush base type. I heard him spoke on TV the other day and didn't think much of him.

[glarius]

13. This guy is like a lizard!

There is something reptilian about him...Whenever I see him on TV answering questions, he seems to be sweating profusely....He is an oportunistic snake!

[mitchum]

15. Fragging (Ret.) ?

[JI7]

16. Franks is a sellout whore, he is worse because he doesn't really believe

what he says. he does it just to whore for bush.

[readmylips]

17. Tommy Franks looking for self publicity....

wants to be hired by Fox. What an egomaniac bastard. For sure, he has blood in his hands.

[Hard Attack]

18. Tommy Franks - Hero or Quitter? Did he Abandon the Troops?

Gang, this was published last week, and the message needs to get out there... Tommy, Hero or Quitter?

Did he abandon the troops?

http://www.hardnewsnow.com/Blame_Tommy.html

[Media_Lies_Daily]

19. Shut up, Franks. You're no better than the NeoCons you served.

[Bush was AWOL]

20. Another sign they know they're going down

Boy Karl sure is getting desperate.

[ThoughtCriminal]

21. One of most INEPTmilitary leaders ever

And that include Custer.

[w4rma]

22. The generals who have been criticizing Bush get NO coverage. (nt)

[illuminaughty]

24. Retired war criminal

Under the Geneva Convention,once a regime falls, the occupier is obligated to provide security to the occupied. This of course is a minor point considering the entire war was illegal and the list of war crimes extensive. All these assholes should be in their bunkers taking cyanide or better yet, meet their fate Mussolini style.

[Disturbed]

25. What has he been offered...

in exchange for shilling for the Neo Fascists?

This man knew that pulling troops out of Afghanistan was a real freakin' disaster but clicked his heels and went along with it. In his book he complains about that but now he is lickin' Neo Fascist ass and talkin' out of his own.

[Bullshot]

26. Tommy has been doing this since the RNC.

I think he started the new rhetoric from the Bush campaign when he told the PBS reporter that he respected Kerry for his service in Vietnam, but he had a problem with what he did after the war, when he testified about the brutal treatment of the Vietnamese by American soldiers.

I see the Skank Boat Vets for "Truth" are running ads along that theme, now.

[malachi]

46. Franks singing a different tune in 08/04 on Hannity/Colmes

Check out article from The Daily Howler. Scroll down to A Very Franks Discussion:

FRANKS (continuing directly): I think we had a lot of problems in Vietnam. One was the lack of leadership of young people like in—in John Kerry's position. He was a young officer over there, and I'm not sure that, that activities like that didn't take place. In fact, quite the contrary. I'm sure that they did.


http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh080504.shtml

[Supersedeas]

54. Which way are the political winds blowing today? Incoming Intel from Rove?

[leesa]

27. Franks is a war criminal. Who cares what he thinks?

He also abandoned his soldiers during a war. What a guy.

[NVMojo]

28. more trouble in battleground state

Franks is not the only big star in Nevada stumping for the Republicans

Friday, October 08, 2004
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

Republican election official urged to end efforts to help Bush

Liberal group warns Heller of possible conflict of interest if Nevada vote is close
By RICHARD LAKE
REVIEW-JOURNAL

Secretary of State Dean Heller, the state's top election official, should stop speaking at Republican-sponsored campaign events to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, a liberal advocacy group said Thursday.

"He should be a statesman, not a politician," said Terence Tolbert, director of America Coming Together-Nevada.

The group, which backs Democratic candidates and liberal causes, charged that Heller was a "Republican operative" who would lose the confidence of voters should the election be particularly close in Nevada.


http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Oct-08-Fri-2004/news/24943832.html

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

29. Whats next? Boykin tours against Kerry?

:shrug:

BFD!

[NVMojo]

30. Bush set the stage for Nevada election troubles last month

Or I guess I should say, Rove a Reno-ite did.

Wednesday, September 15, 2004
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

President asks about fraudulent registration

By ADRIENNE PACKER
REVIEW-JOURNAL

President Bush expressed concern about continuing voter registration irregularities in Clark County, top state officials said Tuesday.

"He was concerned about election registration fraud in Southern Nevada," Attorney General Brian Sandoval said.

Sandoval, who joined Secretary of State Dean Heller in the president's limousine, said he told Bush the Nevada Division of Investigations, the investigative arm of the Department of Public Safety, is on the case.

"He said they're also talking about sending federal agents here to help out with the investigation," Sandoval said Bush told him.

Fake voter registration forms dogged the Clark County elections office this summer until Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax publicized the illegal activity.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Sep-15-Wed-2004/news/24772533.html

[apnu]

31. 200 people?!?!

"If his voting record ruled the day, Saddam Hussein would not only be running Iraq but Kuwait," Franks told about 200 people Sunday at a Reno rally.

Tommy Franks, hero of Gulf War Redeux, can only draw 200 people?

You gotta be kidding me! When will the Republicans wake up and realize that America is a LIBERAL country!

[NVMojo]

34. that's all they could get to sign the loyalty statements

over there in Henderson. That town is pretty loyal to Senator Harry Reid - D

[Downtown Hound]

33. Franks, ah, how can I say this, but ah, your military record

SUCKS DONKEY BALLS!

You have led one of the most disastrous campaigns in American military history. Probably the only thing that comes close to it is our failed invasion of North Korea. If I recall, MacArthur was fired for that. If we had any accountability at all in this government, you would be living in exiled shame right now.

[Peanut Gallery]

35. From last year

Tommy Franks Says Bush May Discard Constitution If Another Terrorist Attack Occurs

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2003/11/21/63054/774

(snip)

Gen. Tommy Franks said in an interview with the lifestyle magazine Cigar Aficionado that if another terrorist attack occurs in the United States "the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government" The stunning revelation is the headline story on the right-wing news site NewsMax for Friday. Franks said that another terrorism attack will result in "... the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we’ve seen for a couple of hundred years..." He indicated that if another terrorism attack occurs Bush will likely declare martial law and the Constitution will apparently be "discarded".

[Swamp Rat]

39. Cigar Aficionado scrubbed the article.

I found an article from Nov/Dec '03, but it's different from what I saw printed at that time. I did various searches using their search engine but I couldn't find the original version.

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Archives/CA_Show_Article/0,2322,1398,00.html

[leetrisck]

36. Bob Graham's book "Intelligence Matters"

Franks told Graham privately that the "war" in Afghanistan was no longer a "war" - it was a manhunt - they were on to Iraq. Graham's book has gotten very little attention and it is very informative (& true).

[Doosh]

37. Tommy Franks - Bug Eyed Bush Partisan

maybe he can get a job clearing brush on shrubs pig farm because there is no place for him in a kerry administration.

this is the idiot that went on a book tour with hannity.

[IndianaGreen]

38. Tommy Franks is a personal friend of Pickles

I will also say that to plan a war of aggression, as the US invasion of Iraq was, is a crime against peace, a charge under which we hung Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg.

Tommy Franks was Bush's Jodl.

[Disturbed]

41. Martial Law....

is a Wet Dream of the Neo Fascists.

[Name removed]

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[coalition_unwilling]

44. "General Tommy Franks is a highly decorated" . . . war criminal

He should be on trial right alongside Rumsfooled, Kindasleezy and the whole cabal.

"Just obeying orders" is not exculpatory, according to precedents laid down by the Nuremburg Tribunal

[IndianaGreen]

45. Franks planned for a war of aggression against a defenseless nation

that had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11. While I may agree with you that the ad hominen attacks on Franks are repugnant, and come mostly from people that never wore the uniform, I will disagree with you in your characterization of Frank's service as being completely honorable. Like all soldiers, Franks knew about the Nuremberg trials and understood what wars of aggression were all about. Had he been honorable, Franks should have resigned his commission when ordered to plan the invasion of Iraq. His failure to do so puts him in the same category as Hitler's General Jodl.

Franks is the last person that should be attacking Kerry.

[Name removed]

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[IndianaGreen]

48. Clinton bombed and starved Iraq for 8 years, as a prelude to an oil war

Let us not forget that Reagan provided WMD technology and intelligence to Iraq to punish Iran for taking our hostages. When it comes to Iraq, both major parties have blood on their hands.

[Pachamama]

50. Decorated War Criminal criticizes Decorated War Hero should be the title

That piece of crap scumbag will hopefully be standing in front of a military tribunal or war crimes court someday along with the rest of the Bush administration....

[IndianaGreen]

51. Franks is not the only that should be held accountable for war crimes

The civilian leadership in the Pentagon is as guilty as the White House national security staff. People like Wolfowitz and Feith should be held accountable for the bloodbath they have unleashed in a criminal war in Iraq.

[MODemocrat]

52. Tommy Franks fits in perfectly with the Bush gang

It's getting to be commonplace to see the right wing spewing their lies every day; and they never have to retract anything. What's Frank's payoff for doing this? I'm sure there is one. John Kerry is the very best among all of us. George Bush is not a good commander in chief; he is a hateful, spoiled, and arrogant rich boy. That's all he is. Oh, he's also afraid of his own shadow, and has everyone else out there doing his dirty work for him.

:thumbsdown: to another sellout.

[vetwife]

55. Thats his job..what he get his oilwells for ! The guy has maybe 2

working brain cells.