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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:34 PM
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WP/Milbank: Bush Says Kerry Will Allow Foreign Vetoes
Edited on Sat Oct-02-04 09:36 PM by kskiska
Democrat's Ad Says President Is 'Lying'

COLUMBUS, Ohio, Oct. 2 -- President Bush said Saturday that under a "Kerry Doctrine," Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry would require permission of foreign powers before launching military action.

The inflammatory charge, leveled here by Bush and in a new campaign commercial, was immediately denied by Kerry's advisers. The accusation is based on a partial reading of Kerry's remark in Thursday's debate that he would have a "global test" to prove the legitimacy of U.S. military action; Kerry also said that he would reserve "the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States."

Kerry "said something revealing when he laid out the Kerry Doctrine," Bush said at a convention of home builders here. "He said that America has to pass a global test before we can use American troops to defend ourselves. . . . Senator Kerry's approach to foreign policy would give foreign governments veto power over our national security decisions."

Bush said a president should not "take an international poll," and said: "Our national security decisions will be made in the Oval Office, not in foreign capitals."

(snip)

Within hours, the Kerry campaign responded with its own ad, to run in the same markets as the Bush ad. "George Bush lost the debate," it said. "Now he's lying about it." The ad also includes Kerry's assertion that "the president always has the right for preemptive strike" and charges that Bush "rushed to war."

more
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2933-200...
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:38 PM
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1. I like that!
"George Bush lost the debate. Now, he's lying about it."

Nicely done
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captainjack Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:40 PM
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4. i'm surprised they came out and said something that strong
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:40 PM
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5. "Now, he's lying about it"
with all due respect Senator Kerry, BUSH WAS LYING ABOUT THE WAR BEFORE IT STARTED TOO!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:54 PM
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8. Seems GOP wants a redo-issues video that tells lies/partial truth on Kerry
position - indeed it asserts lies!

Sent today to the media and to GOP email lists was what appeared to me to be a request for a redo of the debate via a Windows Media Player video whose theme is "John Kerry's credibility gap" - but it is just the usual GOP straw man lies and partial truth - which they then tear down as if it really was Kerry's position.

Isn't this getting a little old?

Is our media so stupid as to not see through this crap, or is our media so frighten of losing the paycheck that they will treat this as she says/he says and give it undeserved credibility by not calling the GOP on the lies?


The GOP doesn't hear Kerry Warriors versus War comment, where warriors die for their country - always - and are to be honored - always - and claims a mistake to invade Iraq means warriors are dying for mistake. They just do not understand that our warriors always die for their country, even if the policy is a mistake. So GOP asserts - and they assert so well - that "Kerry can't have it both ways" which becomes "You can't be for getting rid of Saddam Hussein when things look good and against it when times are hard" which means Kerry is not clear speaking and meaning what he says! Because we all know Kerry voted against our troops (Bush's threaten veto over paying for the $87B via a small tax hike on the rich is forgotten by the GOP), Kerry should not say "I believe that our troops deserve better." and "help is on the way." Besides Kerry's vote is asserted to be not a protest - but a vote against the troops.

GOD - AFTER THIS GOP CRAP I NEED A SHOWER! SO WHY DOES OUR MEDIA LET THEM SAY THIS CRAP ON TV!

Oh yeah, Kerry was not properly thankful for "genuine coalition" sacrifices and was disdainful or dismissive - calling them the coalition of the "coerced and the bribed." (GOP forgets that Kerry did not dismiss their contribution - he only noted the 80% US cost - and noted that sending a 5 man soup kitchen team was not a huge contribution - and indeed was a contribution that for most of our "allies" was purchased with cash from the US to that Allie.

But giving China a veto over North Korea - as Bush has done - is working with our allies and the international community, in contrast to Kerry's working with other countries, which is allowing a "global test" before we can use American troops to defend ourselves. I love the way the GOP did not hear what Kerry said!

AND OUR MEDIA DOES NOT CALL THEM ON THIS - THERE IS NO "FACT CHECKING"?

In any case the movie is at

http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/100104v1.wmv

The movie has 10 points:

ONE "Global Test" means giving other countries a veto - proved by "I would have done what was necessary to know that you had exhausted the available remedies with the French and the Russians." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/20/03)


TWO Seems the GOP can not understand a logical statement that Saddam's greatest threat to us was not WMD, but was a Saddam's "Miscalculation" that might lead him to invade Kuwait, harm the Kurds or attack Iran, or try to use terrorists as 3rd party attackers on US - all of which does not mean that WMD is not the greatest threat to the US. But the GOP sets up the assertion that Kerry has lied and proves it by quoting "I would disagree with John McCain that it's the actual weapons of mass destruction (Saddam)he may use against us..." (CBS' "Face The Nation," 9/15/02)

THREE Then saying "This President Has Made, I Regret To Say, A Colossal Error Of Judgment." means that when he said Saddam's being captured is a good thing he was at odds with "A Colossal Error Of Judgment"!(CNN's "Capital Gang," 12/20/03; Anne Q. Hoy, "Dean Faces More Criticism," Newsday, 12/17/03)

FOUR: To complain about the mess is to really say you will not clean it up ???? "We Are 90 Percent Of The Casualties And 90 Percent Of The Cost:" means Kerry was in error when he said we should spend what it takes to get out of Iraq with a "win" of US safety (NBC's "Meet The Press," 8/31/03)


FIVE: Seems "You Don't Send Troops To War Without The Body Armor That They Need." means that knowing the $87 was going to pass, and making a protest vote of NO, is to to be Reckless And "Irresponsible" by Vote Against Funding For Troops - a non-funding that Kerry told CBS would not be allowed to occur.(CBS' "Face The Nation," 9/14/03). And why did Bush not have body armor at the start - and still does not have body armor for everyone 18 months later - is forgotten as the $87 B had funds for body armor - still unspent - so Kerry is evil


SIX: "Americans In Iraq Not Dying For "Mistake." is repeated by Kerry elsewhere - but the GOP asserts the war must be correct if folks are not dying for a mistake - so Kerry is evil again. "We can't leave a failed Iraq. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake of judgment to go there and take the focus off of Osama bin Laden. It was." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)


SEVEN: Seems voting to give Bush authority was telling Bush to go to war - bad Kerry for saying he, Knowing What He Knows Now, "Would Not" Have Authorized Use Of Force.

Eight - Kerry Dismissed most of the Coalition Partners As "Window Dressing", thereby telling CNN the truth, and was therefore evil!
(CNN's "American Morning," 3/2/04)

NINE: Kerry claimed "I've Had One Position, One Consistent Position, That Saddam Hussein Was A Threat." so Kerry is evil because he also said Saddam Posed No "Imminent" Threat To Our Security." (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At New York University, New York, NY, 9/20/04)


TEN: Kerry is also evil for saying "My Position Has Been Consistent: Saddam Hussein Is A Threat. He Needed To Be Disarmed." while also saying "Saying There Are Weapons Of Mass Destruction In Iraq Doesn't Make It So." and a year ago saying "I Have Always Said We May Yet Even Find Weapons Of Mass Destruction." (Fox News' "Fox News Sunday," 12/14/03)



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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:39 PM
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2. Within Hours.
"War Room" anyone?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:40 PM
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3. A great sign of desperation
If bartlett, holt, mcclellan, bush or any of the crew in the klavern told the truth they'd fall over dead. They must be really pissed that despite their lies, obfuscation, misinformation, and the swift boat cocksuckers, Senator Kerry is neck and neck.

THEY KNOW IF THIS ELECTION WERE ABOUT THE TRUTH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER ALONG TIME AGO

IT REALLY SUCKS BEING A CONSERVATIVE IN AMERICA TODAY.
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Fed Up Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:44 PM
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6. did anyone listen to Gray Davis at the 11th hour? Chimpie is done.
His crybaby rants no longer matter.
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:45 PM
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7. Even this thread gives 4 paragraphs to 1 to Bush- What do you expect!
Edited on Sat Oct-02-04 09:50 PM by skylarmae
We know what the m.o. of these thugs is. Coverage like this of Georgie Porgie lies and distortions repeated over and over (even the article 4-1 ratio) has a negitive affect. We have got to figure out
damage control better than this. STOP IT!!!!!!!
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skordane Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:54 PM
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9. Out of Context
The Pugs are very desperate if all they have to run with is something that they take out of context and then exaggerate. Anyone who saw the debate and paid attention knows what Kerry meant.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:56 PM
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10. See, this sums up the coWard's problem.
Nearly every single attack on Kerry can't stick. This is a prime example, and I love the way the Kerry campaign slams back immediately.

This was another version of the "sensitive" lie that they tried and that did not stick either.

What happens when they try this is they lose even more credibility.

But shrub's record is right there clear as day, and it can't be changed, and they can't effectively rebut KE's attacks.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:57 PM
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11. Folks! Kerry is too damn smart for the chimp to understand
Edited on Sat Oct-02-04 09:58 PM by clydefrand
him. The man can't speak a complete sentence so how can anyone expect him to understand someone who speaks with multisyllabic words and paragraphs of knowledge that the dumbass has never heard of! None of us has a problem understanding what Kerry said.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:13 PM
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12. A long time coming...
yet it is becoming obvious to even the most ignorant in America that this Pres. is a incompetent fool. Of course the Bush Moonies will bow to this pathetic fool no matter what. If all Dems and Greens that can vote do so for Kerry/Edwards there will be a new start. After that the Senate and House must be cleaned out of Neo Fascists and the Right Wing so-called Christians (Fascists).

I invite everyone that is not that pleased with the Dem party to join the Green Party and get some Greens in Congress. ;)
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:18 PM
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13. The Problem Is
It's turning out he's too smart for the average voter, too.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:41 PM
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14. What is shows is that George was so
incompetent at the debate that it takes the rest of his crew to answer to Kerry..and they aren't doing that good a job.

If George hadn't been incompetent they wouldn't have to do any spinning.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 11:28 PM
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17. You mean the average
republican voter. ;-) The only one's who do not understand Kerry are the republican's. I think everyone else gets his message.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 11:49 PM
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20. Kerry should point out
that Bush assumes voters are stupid--and then tell them exactly how he assumes this
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:55 PM
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15. Sunday's WP: Kerry Fathered Cher's UFO Baby
Rove's getting desperate. He's got to dust off that one.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 11:00 PM
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16. I thought Kerry refuted that during the debate?
Shrubby started that "veto" shit during the debate and Kerry said No Way, he's protecting America first.

Chimpy is banking on the hope that the mythical "Swing Voters" were all watching "Survivor" instead of the debate ("BO-ring!") and missed that part. AND missed the part where he never gave us an answer to the question about Al-Ka-Seltzah attacking us if (when) Kerry wins...AND missed the bit with Missed Mexages...
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 11:34 PM
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18. the debate WAS "Survivor" - and guess who was voted off?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 11:39 PM
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19. I got their "Weekly Team Leader" email
Last night Senator Kerry demonstrated he was serious about winning an election while President Bush demonstrated he was serious about winning a war.

/snip/

The President spoke directly and passionately last night about the decisions he's made regarding the War on Terror and the progress we're made. He is a President who wears his emotions on his sleeve and at times was bemused by the fact that John Kerry is a walking contradiction when it comes to Iraq and the War on Terror.

What you see is what you get with President Bush.

And what President Bush gives you is clarity and strength to fight and win the War on Terror versus John Kerry's attacks and reversals--born out of political calculation.

Signed by Ed Gillespie
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 12:02 AM
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21. "our national security decisions will be made in the Oval Office."
FOr over three years, those decisions have been made in Crawford, Kennebunkport, Camp David, ANYWHERE but the Oval Office.

Now watch this drive.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 12:10 AM
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22. Note to Kerry people--that point should be used:
Edited on Sun Oct-03-04 12:11 AM by belle
"Do you even remember what the Oval Office looks like, George? Seems to me after all that time spent on vacation, you might be a little forgetful. Maybe that's why you've already forgotten what I *actually* said during the debate last week..."
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