Bush Says Kerry Has Many, Many Positions on Iraq

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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040910/us_nm/campaign_bush_dc_15

President Bush (news - web sites) accused Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) on Friday of having more positions on Iraq (news - web sites) than all his 99 colleagues in the Senate combined and said if the Massachusetts senator had his way Saddam Hussein would still be in power.

It was some of the harshest rhetoric Bush has used against Kerry during the presidential campaign and represented an aggressive response to attacks Kerry has been making this week against Bush, reflecting the importance the Iraq war may have on the Nov. 2 election.

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Bush took specific aim at Kerry's attack that the costs of the Iraq war, which Kerry estimated at $200 billion but the White House put at $119 billion, has drained the federal government of resources needed elsewhere.

"The newest wrinkle is that Sen. Kerry has now decided we are spending too much money in Iraq, even though he criticized us earlier for not spending enough," Bush said. "One thing about Sen. Kerry's position is clear. If he had his way, Saddam Hussein would still be in power, it would still be a threat to the security of the world."

[BlueEyedSon]

1. And Bush has just one, the wrong one (go to war at all costs).

He did however have many (false) rationalles .....

[KansDem]

10. LOL! I think you just came up with Kerry's rebuttal!

I hope he uses it...:thumbsup:

[sandnsea]

19. Bush has one, lie and lie and lie again n/t

[lunarboy13]

2. And all of them are better than Bush's!

EOM

[gasperc]

3. OBL is still on the run

and terrorist attacks are still occuring throughout the world including a recent hotel bombing in the far east

[rfranklin]

4. No Georgie, Senator Kery criticized you for not PAYING for Iraq....

As usual liberal spender and idiot savant George Bush misses the point and hopes that the rest of America will too.

[rfranklin]

6. P,S, George...where's all that oil money you said would pay for your war?

I'M waiting..........still waiting......hmmmmmmmm?

[liveoaktx]

5. Geez! Bush has many many positions on Iraq-Pick one

*iraq has WMD
*Iraq has weapons of mass destruction related program activities
*We went to Iraq to free the people and bring democracy
*We went to Iraq to depose Saddam because he is a bad man
*Knowing what I know now, i still would have gone to Iraq.

What a hypocrite!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

27. Excellent observation

That should be Kerry's rebuttal

[54anickel]

7. Not spending it wisely - you moran! Then again, Shrub has only one

position on Iraq, kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. They don't believe in Jesus anyway. Besides they are sitting on top of all that oil!

[BeyondGeography]

8. And Bush has changed his rationale for this mess how many times?

All of them bogus:

•Sadaam is an imminent threat with weapons of mass destruction.

•Iraq conspired with al Qaeda on 9/11.

•Sadaam tried to kill my daddy.

•"Liberating" and "democratizing" Iraq will lead to 1,000 flowers blooming across the Middle East.

•The world will be safer without Sadaam.

•We'll be safer by bringing the fight to the terrorists.

Etc., etc.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

24. And when challenged on this - he accused others of Revisionist History

and added that Saddam's WMD programs were his motivation all along. When even evidence of concrete WMD programs didn't surface, it became programs to contemplate the development of theories that might eventually lead to Saddam's project to convene research groups to eventually get around to writing proposals for eventual WMD programs.

[BeyondGeography]

25. LOL! And that could have been a problem

this decade. Or next. Or even later this century.

[Kimber Scott]

9. Bush lies.

But, he's good at it. Gotta give him that.

[TahitiNut]

12. Practice. Practice. Practice.

:shrug: He's been lying about getting busted for cocaine possession for 30 years.

However, to be fair, it's like everything else. He hasn't done it on his own. Others do it for him.

[Sequoia]

11. I see Benidict Arnold is with him

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. The ass chose to continue to campaign with the

crazy Judas.

[demoman123]

13. He's right. Even war criminals like Bush aren't wrong about everything.

I have never been able to figure out what Kerry's position on the war is.

I am voting for him because he has a clear position on Social Security.

Go ahead and flame if you want. I am wearing my asbestos suit.

[noahmijo]

14. And Kerry didn't start this war, Kerry didn't fuck this war up

Kerry wasn't the bumbling fool who continues to push the lies behind why this war was started.

Nov. 2nd can't come soon enough is all I can say.

[Arioch]

16. George can't read...

Like so many others he seems incapable of understanding what Kerry actually said about Iraq...

"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region."

"Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies. "

"If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so with others in the international community, unless there is a showing of a grave, imminent — and I emphasize "imminent" — threat to this country which requires the President to respond in a way that protects our immediate national security needs."

"Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will not support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any circumstances."

[MrBenchley]

17. I think America wants to see somebody with any position on Iraq

except "it's not a quagmire" and "wasn't the fuehrer noble to jump into it."

"If he had his way, Saddam Hussein would still be in power, it would still be a threat to the security of the world." Due to all those WMDS he had...doh, there weren't any.

[MichiganVote]

18. And Bush has many explanations for why 911 happened-all wrong

[eagler]

20. "No Nation Building "

was a Bush promise I seem to remember.

[leesa]

21. Hmmm...and how many bogus reasons did Bush float for murdering

tens of thousands of Iraqis who did nothing to us?

[donkeyotay]

22. Georgie's policies are one-size fits all

He won't even have to change them for the next country he invades. He just hangs on the podium smirking, kind of sneers up that upper lip and hurls his all-occasion policy:

"What ever it takes." (Google that if you have lots of time.)

"Stay the course." (See lemmings cartoon on today's front page.)

After those pearls of wisdom, he kind of "heh, heh, hehs" like a dirty old man while the kool-aid crowd cheers wildly.

:puke:

[gulliver]

23. Bush is nothing but excuses, excuses, excuses.

He screwed up badly and everyone with more than half a brain knows it. Bush is just hoping to keep the idiots in the dark through November. Then the new Iraq budget requests will start to be made, the Iraqi elections will be postponed, and we'll start engaging the enemy in futile battle again.

Bush is an ass. Will the people figure it out or is it too "nuanced?"

[Catfight]

26. What? Bush speaks? Must be LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES. nt

[wicket]

28. kick!

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[hansolsen]

29. I think Kerry needs one more position on Iraq. here it is:

Here is what I want him to say.

QUOTE
Fellow citizens, hear me: I served in Vietnam and experienced the combat of war. I saw people killed and I killed enemy soldiers. I learned some things from that experience that will profoundly effect the orders I will issue as Commander and Chief. I will keep our soldiers safe from the folly of war. I will not send them on combat missions with no clear objective. I will not send them into battle where they cannot tell friend from foe. I will not ask them to fight for people who will not fight for themselves. I will never send American soldiers on a combat mission with rules of engagement where they cannot fire unless fired upon. I will never ask young soldiers to risk their lives because old men in high places cannot admit their mistakes.

I will go to Baghdad myself and I will meet with the leaders of the Iraqi insurgency. I will end this war on Iraq. I will not fire another shot in that war. I will hold an immediate national referendum in Iraq to determine if the Iraqi people want us to stay. If the people of Iraq want us out of there, I will bring the troops home. If a clear majority of Iraqis want us to stay, I will demand they stand along side American troops and prove it. If they refuse or shirk that duty, I will still bring our troops home. If they want us to stay and will stand with us, I will keep American forces there as true peace keepers.

I believe that God helps those who help themselves, and so do I. That principle will guide my policy in iraq. Please give me your vote and your confidence. Please trust that what I learned in the rice fields of South Vietnam is relevant to what must be done now. I ask for your trust. Quote.

Fellow bloggers: Will this mesage resonate?

[jmowreader]

37. Delete four words and it's perfect

"the rice fields of"

Leave those in and the SBVT dumbasses will start screaming about how Kerry thinks he was a footsoldier now.

"Please trust that what I learned in South Vietnam is relevant to what must be done now."

Also change "so do I" to "so will I."

[young_at_heart]

30. kerry should tell Bush Saddam wasn't as important as Osama

Bush continually brags about Saddam and Iraq but the gruesome reality of the place and the devastation is NEVER an issue for him. If threats to the world's security was THE only issue (as he implies), then Saddam was just one of many.......what a major hypocrite!!! How can people be so stupid to believe this???

[LynnTheDem]

31. Poor bush...

Always just such a TOTAL LIAR.

[LynnTheDem]

32. Kerry's position on Iraq HAS NOT CHANGED.

Kerry might not be the best speaker in the world, but his position on the war has been pretty consistent all along. Even William Saletan, the best known critic of Kerry's "caveats and curlicues," came to the same conclusion after examining a Republican video of Kerry's supposed flip-flops on Iraq: the RNC video carefully edits Kerry's quotes to make them look inconsistent, but in fact every one of them tells the same story. He summarized the RNC clips in a Slate article on Thursday:

Kerry wants pressure and inspections....doubts Iraq would comply with inspections, but he thinks we have to go through the process of trying....doesn't like the way Bush is pursuing the goal, particularly because it "alienated our allies."

....consistent with Kerry's previous statements calling for "heat," "inspections," "process," and cooperation with "allies."....No conflict here....voting to turn up the heat and get compliance with inspections....Bush betrayed two of Kerry's principles: process and allies....it isn't a change of position.

....This is the same position Kerry has stated all along: compliance, inspections, skepticism, process....There you have it. Edwards says if Kerry had been president, we would have found out Iraq had no WMD, and "we would never be in this place." Kerry emphatically agrees with this translation.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_08/004512.php

[Overseas]

33. If he really wants to run with the flip flop thing...

Where's our ad with the Osama flip flop --?
1) GWB hisself: Git Osama dead or alive
2) GWB: It doesn't really matter if we get Osama or not

Yes, we have The Daily Show's wonderful "Because He Says So" video, but we also need ads with those themes... Nothing like clips of His Royal Cardboard Cowboy saying things himself... You wanted to talk Vietnam, Mr. AWOL? Well okay, here's your marvelous record for all to see. Yet you still wanna run this flip flop thing out?

A) GWB: We gotta cut taxes to stimulate the economy.
B) GWB: The rich got lawyers so they can avoid paying taxes.

President Photo Op better watch out... If I wasn't afraid Karl Rove was right about people judging by images rather than realities, I would suggest a "President Photo Op" campaign... Photo Op of GWB with soldiers lookin' holy, then two headlines on veterans' benefit cuts... GWB talking "help the seniors get persciption drugs" and then headlines about the price increases...

[LynnTheDem]

34. And BUSH SAID Saddam could REMAIN IN POWER

Blair: March 2, 2003

"If military action proves necessary, it will be to uphold the authority of the UN and to ensure Saddam is disarmed of his weapons of mass destruction, not to overthrow him. It is why, detestable as I find his regime, he could stay in power if he disarms peacefully."

http://www.sundayherald.com/print31827

Bush: March 5, 2003

"We are doing everything we can to avoid war in Iraq. But if Saddam Hussein does not disarm peacefully, he will be disarmed by force,"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030308-1.html

Saddam can stay if he disarms, Powell says

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/21/1034561443683.html

Rice and Powell Say that a Disarmed Saddam Could Stay in Power

http://www.intelmessages.org/Messages/National_Security/wwwboard/messages/2159.html

IF he disarmed.

But then BUSH kicked out the UN weapons inspectors.

And lookie what we have now...

ISG (Iraq Survey Group) bush's own pet weapons inspectors.
Final ISG report; NO WMD IN IRAQ BEFORE THE INVASION.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5012717-103690,00.html

Oops, huh bush; Saddam WAS DISARMED. Which we would all have known IF YOU hadn't kicked out the UN weapons inspectors, bush.

And we wouldn't have 1007 DEAD US SOLDIERS and THOUSANDS WOUNDED, bush.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

And we wouldn't have TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DEAD IRAQIS, bush.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091004E.shtml

And we WOULDN'T BE OUT $200 BILLION, bush.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-05-13-costs-war-analysis_x.htm

And the WORLD WOULDN'T HATE US, bush.

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2002/1109-Poll.html

http://www.iht.com/articles/537873.html

And the US STATE DEPARTMENT and all the thinktanks and experts reports WOULDN'T BE REPORTING WE'RE LESS SAFE NOW because of your invasion of Iraq, bush.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/06/23/state_dept_doubles_03_terrorism_death_toll/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5889435/

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_17-10-2003_pg4_9

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1063717,00.html

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2629.html

You've been a useless failure all your life, georgie; you always will be. And as always, it's others who pay the price.

[Overseas]

35. EXACTLY ! WELL SAID !!

It's all out there-- you called up all the links-- how sad that the punditocracy won't even bother...

[wicket]

36. kick!

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