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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:53 PM
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WP: Polls Suggest War Isn't Hurting Bush
Mounting Deaths in Iraq Haven't Resulted in Major Backlash in Public Opinion

This spring, when mounting casualties and a prison scandal were causing public support for President Bush's Iraq policies to plunge, his campaign strategists were confidently predicting that Iraq problems would present no major threat to his reelection once U.S. forces turned over authority to an interim government in Baghdad.

In the months since, the evidence so far has proven that prediction more right than wrong.

A steady procession of U.S. military deaths, which this week resulted in the passage of the grim milestone of 1,000, has so far not caused an obvious backlash in public opinion against Bush's handling of Iraq. This support has steadily weakened over the past two years, but not in ways that suggest a direct correlation between casualties and political support.

The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll showed Bush with a 53 percent to 37 percent advantage over Democrat John F. Kerry when voters were asked who they think would do a better job handling the situation in Iraq.

These results challenge what some public opinion analysts had for years assumed was a reliable link -- which some scholars argued operated with an almost mathematical precision -- between combat deaths and erosion of support for military operations.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9968-200...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:54 PM
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1. do not believe that crap
both washingtonpost and ABC have never been that accurate in the past polls
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:12 PM
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12. I agree,...
,...the polls are premature. Soon, it will hit people that August was one of the worst (if not THE worst) month involving American casualties. Yet, they heard nothing of them.

We just have to keep on plugging towards awakening our people from their states of denial.

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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 03:42 AM
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40. It's not the deaths...
America can handle the deaths it's the reason for war, during Vietnam it wasn't the "deaths" but the growing knowledge that America was wrong. The majority of American people will chose right over wrong, the rising death count only keeps it in the news so Americans think about the situation. America was wrong in Vietnam and the bush team was wrong with Iraq, as more and more people learn and realize the bush coward sent America to an unjust war, America will turn on him. America can handle thousands of deaths if the cause is just but when the reasons for war are unjust, every single death just makes American sick. The invasion of Iraq is NOT an act for GOD, and the bush coward is NOT a Christian.
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:24 AM
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41. America's not going to turn on him.
America loves him. America cherishes George Bush. He is a monster of our own creation. For all the millions who protest and point out his failed policies, there are just as many who sit at home and smirk with grim satisfaction that such a man, who represents the worst of their smarmyness, bigotry and greed, runs the country. Unfortunately, too many of the undecideds are being swayed, once again, by Bush's negative campaigning.
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lordwhorfin Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 02:36 PM
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47. Well put
This post gets it exactly. A cold wind is blowing.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:14 AM
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28. Bingo. I am at a loss to understand all of the knee-jerk reactions.
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jumpstart33 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:23 AM
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30. War isn't hurting Bush but it is killing our children.
F**k the polls. I wish every friggin Bush supporter under 45 would go sign up for Iraq (and not some trip to Navy ship)or Afghanistan.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:55 PM
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2. WTF is this??? How can people still support his failures???
Are Americans that stupid?

:eyes:

:cry:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:04 PM
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10. no they are not
the wp/abc poll has never been that accurate

this poll will humiliate them very shortly

Do not be demoralized.

ICR 9/5/04 bush 48 kerry 47
Fox Dynamic 9/8/04 bush 47 kerry 45
zogby 9/2/04 bush 46 kerry 44
american research group 9/1/04 bush 48 kerry 47
ICR 9/5/04 bush 48 kerry 47
Rasmussen 9/9/04 bush 48 kerry 47

someone is wrong, or they are both right. To me it indicates that the sampling methods are screwed

either way, wait two weeks and let's talk about it
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:34 PM
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16. Because Kerry isn't distinguishing them!!
I blame Kerry fully for this...

He says that the 1000 deaths were caused by the "war on terror"...and that gives them merit...

I am literally in tears by this...I dont understand how someone who had so much courage during the Vietnam war can have so little now...
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:13 AM
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27. IMHO, you don't know what you're talking about.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:39 PM
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19. It's easy for the misinformed to embrace military power ...
Please notice that the guys/gals that get all exited over the might of of our modern US Military ... plus the devastation of it's weapons are the same jerks that considered themselves *too good* (Cheney's "other priorities"?) to serve in the military or actual combat.

Many veterans do not *preach war* as the universal solution because they have seen life inside the military and/or combat operations ... military veterans know that there is no such human being as John Wayne. We watch in disgust as the a**hole who stars on "mail call" is lauded by unwitting "civilians." Why? Because in the real world he'd be one of the few NCOs readily identified for fragging along with the other arrogant "know it all" company officer Hollywood wannabe personas (Col Kilgore?) ... sh*tty leader in real time operations ... whose unthinking bravado in combat resulted in needless casualties.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:44 AM
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45. yes
Americans ARE that stupid.

I can think of no other reason for Reagan, Nixon, and the current Chimp theft of the presidency.

Americans are that stupid , but this does not mean the Chimp should rest easy on his throne.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:55 PM
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3. If it's not hurting bush then
the People aren't informed. Otherwise they would be outraged!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:44 PM
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20. News Of Iraqi Deaths Moved To Page 7 After "Turnover".
And it was even mistakenly reported that number of deaths had fallen not so long ago.

Citizens really dont' have any idea just how fucked up Afghanistan AND Iraq are right now.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:56 PM
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4. These polls are pure crap put out by the media that has paid big bucks
for Bush. It is being done to support the lie that the charges against Bush are politically motivated by an alleged drop in Kerry's polling. Look around you. Bush is not at all popular.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:56 PM
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5. the fox opinion dynamic poll, which is actually quite accurate
has:

bush 47%
kerry 45%

survey end date 9/8/04
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:58 PM
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6. How can they measure public opinion in two days - It just went over 1000
at the beginning of this week - you can't get an accurate reading right now.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:59 PM
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7. Simply Astonishingly
I see dead people and I don't care
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:01 PM
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9. WP/ABC poll sucks. ignore it. follow zogby, rass, and fox(i'm serious).
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:06 PM
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11. actually you are right about fox
fox outsources their polling to a third party whose technique is quite accurate
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:15 PM
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13. Fox was dead on in 2000.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:31 AM
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33. self-fulfilling prophecy in their case
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:00 PM
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8. i believe it. issue salience has more sway over voters than facts
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 10:01 PM by WMliberal
if what is being discussed is military related, it helps the GOP. Regardless of whether of not they're behind the fuckup. if what is being discussed is the environment,our numbers go up. Even if it's a fuckup on our part.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:18 PM
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14. When there are no pictures and no reports and no journalists
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 10:22 PM by Marianne
that are not controlled or embedded, the public knows nothing and knows no outrage. There is nothing to remind them or even to let them know of the terrible thing Bush has done. Why do you think pictures of flag draped coffins were forbidden? They have it all figured out
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:11 AM
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26. This is the crux
of the public's complacency. Perfectly stage-managed by the WH w/ the whores in the media aiding and abetting the cover-up cause they're afraid of losing their access to the WH. To wit, Helen Thomas.

Gyre
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 02:25 AM
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35. It's a secret mission for now
But after the election is over, watch out
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:20 PM
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15. My feelings on this,
are that the only thing that can seriously cut shrub's sheeple support is a major cut in the standard of living or losing a loved one overseas. Sheeple support him until his policies directly affect them.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:22 PM
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21. and because he is way more crooked ...
than your average hard working family oriented person wants to acknowledge.

Those of us who see through the Big Lie have all had to struggle emotionally to break through our denial over what has become of this once proud, wonderful nation. It is a difficult process to have to give up everything you believed about our government to come to the place where you can accept the fact that we are being controlled by a ruthless group of thugs. It is so much easier to buy the lie and pretend that what has happened could never happen in America. But it has, democracy ended for me in November of 2000, it had possibly ended long before them. The election was rigged, plain and simple. I have serious concerns about 9-11 and wonder if the same people weren't behind both events. If they were, it all would make more sense to me. This is just my opinion. I'm not sure I believe it myself. I'll vote in November, as if the election was legit. But I have to wonder how long Kerry would last even if he won. It isn't like this conglomerate of fascists are going to dissolve if Bush loses an election. Sorry to sound so negative, but for me, I guess, hope for a better future for America, and for the world is fading.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:34 AM
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34. olddad, I echo your sentiments exactly
welcome to the DU
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:35 PM
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17. I came to a conclusion that nothing seems to hurt Bush
He could eat a baby on national TV and it wouldn't hurt him, IMO.
His supporters are truly blind in their devotion to him.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:26 PM
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23. no shit
he could eat a republican baby on TV, deny it and the next day Fox News would blame the whole thing on Kerry.

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:50 PM
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24. He bought their souls with a $600 tax check.
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 11:50 PM by The_Casual_Observer
That goes a long way, in the back of their minds they think he will send them another one
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Monkey Lord Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 02:38 AM
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37. Ha!
"He could eat a baby on national TV and it wouldn't hurt him, IMO."

Sorry, I know this is an inappropriate subject, but that struck me as a really funny image...
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:35 PM
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18. ugh. that hurts.
perhaps the WaPo should look in the mirror.

:puke:

x(
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manteuffel1 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:26 PM
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22. are you a troll?
Why do you post this, troll?
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:53 PM
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25. No, but You are
troll, begone!
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:20 AM
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29. Karl Rove will resort to *anything* to re-Select Junior.
And, that includes gutter politics!

:evilfrown:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:24 AM
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31. That's because the press isn't REPORTING them anymore. nt
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:04 AM
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32. April's 135 had a lag effect on Bush's support, the negative numbers
did not show up until late May. So reality is give the RNC it's two weeks then watch the numbers re-stabalize again. Ohh, almost forgot about Rhamada this October.
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Monkey Lord Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 02:36 AM
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36. I think too many people had it in their hearts...
that the 1000 casualties mark would be some kind of milestone upon which public opinion would turn, and make the election a shoe in for Kerry. Heck, I was even beginning to think so, given the emphasis the media was putting on it for the past few weeks. It was almost some kind of morbid, implicit countdown.




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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 02:40 AM
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38. Bullshit...I know many who are not voting for that jackass because of the
war. Among many other list of things that Bush* has fucked up on!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 03:17 AM
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39. If he can get North Korea to nuke us, he could probably have a landslide
It's amazing.
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:10 AM
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42. We have to stop calling
polls 'crap' every time we don't like them. 50% to 55% of Americans, sad as it is, enjoy war. They LOVE the fact that we are TOUGH and can show the world who RULES. They LOVE to see blood being shed by others rather than themselves.

The only way to explain why a dishonest man is ahead in the polls is the fact that 50% to 55% of Americans SEE themselves in their leader, they are dishonest themselves.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:15 AM
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43. Perhaps if our TVs showed Photos like these.....
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 05:17 AM by leftchick
The reality of the "pro-life" CIC* murdering thousands of innocents, people would become more aware of the reality of this war. The media is complicit in the Genocide the US is commiting in Iraq....



Doctors try to revive baby Abdul Khalil after he sustained fatal injuries during an air raid in Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites), Thursday, Sept. 9, 2004. American warplanes fired missiles on a building used by an al-Qaida-linked militant group in the rebel stronghold of Fallujah early Thursday, the U.S. military said.The military said intelligence showed that three associates of Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi were in the area when jets unleashed a precision strike. Dr. Ahmad Thair of the Fallujah General Hospital said five people were killed, including two women and a child, and nine others injured in the strike. The U.S. military had no information about casualties. (AP Photo / Abdul Khader Sadi)

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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:21 AM
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44. Why>? The Media isn't covering the war any more...
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 05:38 AM by JCMach1
THE WAR DOESN'T EXIST 'CAUSE IT AIN'T ON T.V.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:52 PM
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46. It's a post-convention poll
Let's wait a bit.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 03:28 PM
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48. Give the American people some credit
The know the real reason we're in Iraq: Freedom for SUVs!
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