Bush made deal with Musharraf not to catch Bin-Laden

[varun]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=144096

LONDON: Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf has struck a deal with the US not to capture Osama Bin Laden, fearing this could lead to unrest in Pakistan, according to a special investigation by The Guardian.

The paper reported Saturday that Bin Laden was being protected by three elaborate security rings manned by tribesmen stretching 192 kms in diameter in northern Pakistan.

The paper's information is based on comments made by Mansoor Ijaz, an American of Pakistan origin who, the paper said, knows al-Qaeda better than most people and had close contacts in Pakistan's intelligence agencies...

more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=144096

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so much for "We'll smoke them out of their holes....

Dubya is the biggest enemy of this nation.

:mad:

[Rose Siding]

1. Here's the Guardian story

http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,1028044,00.html

Mansoor has been a Faux News contributor, hasn't he?

[caribmon]

5. Ijaz is CIA most likely.

This Guy Reeks to high heaven...

Mansoor Ijaz is a FOX News Channel foreign affairs and terrorism analyst. He joined FOX in December 2001 and contributes to FNC’s prime time and weekend news analysis programs on matters related to terrorism, foreign policy and national security.

Ijaz is founder and chairman of The Crescent Partnerships, a series of New York-based private equity partnerships focused exclusively on the development of national security technologies. The firm’s partners include retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Abrahamson, former director of President Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative and Turkey’s Global Group. Former CIA Director James Woolsey serves as vice chairman of Crescent’s Board of Governors.

<SNIP>


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,46241,00.html

[caribmon]

11. He's a whore for Bush...?

Somethings up here... One of a few things. The lefty Guardian shafted this guy or he is feeding disinformation. Or he is pissed off at the Bushies for some reason. hmm....

<<<<<He is barking at Clinton still, which is absurd....>>>>

The Clinton Intel Record
by Mansoor Ijaz
National Review Online
April 28, 2003

The unearthing of documents directly linking Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization to Saddam Hussein this weekend may have hermetically sealed the Bush administration's case that dismantling Iraq's Baathist enterprise was in part necessary to undo terrorism's dynamic duo. But closing that case may reopen a Pandora's box for ex-Clinton administration officials who still believe their policy prescriptions protected U.S. national interests against the growing threat of terrorism during the past decade.

The London Telegraph's weekend revelations raise deeply disturbing questions about the extent and magnitude to which President Clinton, his national-security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, and senior terrorism and State Department officials — including Assistant Secretary of State for East Africa, Susan Rice — politicized intelligence data, relied on and even circulated fabricated evidence in making critical national-security decisions, and presided over a string of intelligence failures during the months leading up to the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

<SNIP>

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/354

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<<<<<Sick little shit>>>>>

A 'good' American citizen: Citizenship vs. civil liberties
by Mansoor Ijaz
Christian Science Monitor
April 1, 2003
In the days leading up to the start of "Operation Iraqi Freedom," a Muslim American civil rights lobbying group, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) sent out a nine-page "Muslim Community Safety Kit" enunciating a series of largely ineffective steps for Arabs and Muslims living in the US to take if war backlash were to materialize against them. It wasn't the first time such knee-jerk civil rights lobbying had been done by a group purporting to represent America's Arabs and Muslims. But it should be the last.

The CAIR memo highlights the raging debate in US Arab and Muslim communities about whether protection of civil liberties should take precedence over the responsibilities of citizenship.

The continuing anger shown by immigrant Arabs and Muslims, whether about racial profiling at airports, or about charities being shut down for sending money to terrorist groups, or the failure to stop what many believe is an unjust war against Iraq, is misplaced and irresponsible.

It demonstrates an inability to put US national security interests ahead of doubtful claims that our civil rights are being violated, or to put loyalty to the state before religious and ethnic allegiances. The growing frustration also defines a critical leadership problem in our communities, that if not resolved soon, could doom another generation to the prejudices and venal hatred many of our parents brought when they made difficult choices to migrate to the US.

<SNIP>

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/308




<<<<<What does this tell you?>>>>>


Ijaz's father, Dr. Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz (deceased), a prominent American physicist, was an early pioneer in developing the intellectual infrastructure of Pakistan's nuclear program.

Much of Ijaz's time away from Crescent's daily affairs is spent in designing, funding and implementing projects for people in third-world countries. He has built rural elementary schools dedicated to countering the damaging influences of religious radicalism in his parent's native Pakistan. He has supported the construction and operation of democracy schools in Eastern Europe. And he is presently forming a charitable fund to support women acting as heads of families who have been widowed by the ongoing conflict in Kashmir.

<SNIP>

http://www.benadorassociates.com/ijaz.php

[Emboldened Chimp]

19. If he is CIA

Then he might be acting under their orders. The CIA is still pissed off about the uranium flap and the outing of Wilson's wife. They may be exacting revenge. The Agency never forgets, or forgives.

[caribmon]

20. Yea

That is a thought. If he's talking to the Guardian, there's something brewing.

[Classical_Liberal]

33. Given the cover the "War on Terra" has given the Shrubster

for his radical McKinnley agenda, I think it is plausable. I think some consciescious rich person should hire some bounty hunters to go after Osama. Preferably some Pashtuns. There is no way a non Afghan American can catch bin Laden.

[teryang]

2. I think Rumsfeld knowingly let him out during

...the "Pakistani" airforce C 130 airlift in which "5000" surrounded Al Qaeda terrorists were given safe passage from Afghanistan. This was a major logistics effort. It was pretty obvious that something very shady was going on and that Rumsfeld was lying through his teeth when he said he didn't know about it. The US airforce had complete control of the Central Asian airspace at that time. Seymour Hersh wrote an article about this disgraceful deal with the devil at the time. The Pakistani government didn't save bin Laden. The neo con junta did. IMHO.

[Cooley Hurd]

8. According to a story buried long ago...

...from a US Spec Ops soldier, his group had Osama & several others (Al Qaeda / Taliban mix) trapped in a cave or a hut (I don't recall the specifics) when the soldiers were told to "hold short" by rear-area commanders. While holding short, unmarked Russian-built helicopters came in, picked up Osama and his men and whisked them away.

The story was told to a local newspaper (somewhere in North Carolina, I believe) by the soldier upon his return to the US. Does anyone else have a link to the story or have it saved?

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. I don't have a link

But a friend of mine from NC, knows one of the Special Ops soldiers who was there and told me the same exact story, before the Hirsch story came out. The SO guy was really po'd because they had Osama cornered and were ready to go in for the capture, when they were ordered to stand down. He said he saw the helicopters come in and take Osama and many others out.

[teryang]

10. Links to "The Getaway"

http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/020128fa_FACT

THE GETAWAY
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Questions surround a secret Pakistani airlift.
Issue of 2002-01-28
Posted 2002-01-21

http://www.meadev.nic.in/news/clippings/20020313/et.htm

Pakistan helped Al Qaida fighters: Report

http://www.fisiusa.org/fisi_News_items/news415.htm

India protests airlift of Pak fighters from Kunduz, fears they will enter Kashmir

[varun]

12. Yes, India tried to bring this incident to light

....but Rumsfeld dismissed it. Many Al-Qaeda terrorists escaped into Pakistan right under the nose of US Airforce in Afghanistan.

[teryang]

15. "I have no knowledge of that"

I remember his exact words at the Pentagon press conference when it came up the first time.

There was no follow up from the amnesia press. Oh, you don't know about the escape of virtually all of the remaining Al qaeda from Afghanistan and the virtual failure of our military mission there; Okey dokey, Mr. Secretary, that's fine with the American press. You let the alleged ringleaders of the 911 attack on the United States of America ESCAPE, we won't ask anymore questions about this because you said you have no knowledge of it.

[berry]

26. Not a lot is said re: another airlift (of bin Laden family members) either

They were flown out of the US right after 9-11, while civil aviation was still grounded. This looks like a pattern.

[Rose Siding]

13. On Thursday, Joe Wilson said that Hersh

would have a good article upcoming in the New Yorker, if it got clearance. I remember this one you've linked. Wilson gave the impression that Hersh's new story would be important.

[caribmon]

3. Now this is explosive news

But can it be proven? Only one source?

[leesa]

21. It's already made the rounds in the press and went nowhere

The mainstream media will supress it. Time for another shark attack!

[ichiro99]

24. Mentions of the Pakistan leader that come to mind ...

Remember the press conference/debate, where Bush was questioned "Who's the president of Pakistan, Governor?" "Uh.. We just call him 'the president'"... Some lightness made of it in reports after, though it demonstrated unlikely familiarity at least. Later, was M not in NYC morning of the attack?

[nannah]

34. m in nyc on day of attack

I recall that. it was mentioned in discussions about the money paid by musharaf to one of the hijackers. he was in wa dc prior to the attacks.

[varun]

4. they will capture him just before the elections in Nov 2004

..."There was a judgment made that it would be more destabilising in the longer term," he said. "There would still be the ability to get him at a later date when it was more appropriate."


...and Bush's popularity will soar again....

[xxqqqzme]

9. I Xpect OBL 'capture'

will B rove's '04 'October surprise'.

[AP]

17. Bush does not care about innocent American (and other) lives

He cares about narrowing elections enough so that he can steal them and retain the power to give away the wealth of the nation to his friends and campaign donors.

[peacetalksforall]

6. There is something holy/unholy about the leaders

You can't kill their leaders...it seems to be a law of living there...
only leaders can give the orders about killing other leaders...
the leaders did not give the OK to kill Hussein 12 years ago...
the leaders must have given OK to kill Hussein this time...
but maybe not...maybe just his sons...but maybe not...

In any case, our not-so-secret government onto itself (not for the people) makes the deals and we don't have a thing to say about it.

Do you have to ask whose agenda they're pursueing?

We are lambs...quiet, submissive lambs...who have relinquished what we told was our country.

The Bush CABAL reigns - so if Bush is defeated in '04 - is the CABAL defeated?

We need a world for the people not for the CABAL and there sometimes partners - here today, gone tomorrow partners.

[peacetalksforall]

7. The question is - did the Bush agreement also include Israel?

Was it just for the U.S. or did we also negotiate on behalf of Israel?

Or is Sharon just a one focus aggressor?

[caribmon]

14. I am not sure

Sharon?

[rooboy]

16. Mansoor Ijaz...

told Faux news that Daniel Pearl's body had been dumped out at sea a few weeks before it was found buried in Karachi.

Yeah, he's a really reliable source.

[ScrewyRabbit]

22. I think the article hints at the true story...

...namely, that the capture was delayed because -- if OBL was out of the picture -- Americans might assume the so-called War on Terror was over, and thus there would be no need for an invasion of Iraq.

[tedoll78]

23. We need to scream about this.

Absolutely.

Email, fax, call-in this news to your representative. God, this makes me sick.

[maggrwaggr]

25. as someone who wasn't following all this when it was happening

I remembering thinking a big "HUH?" when we didn't actually invade Afghanistan, when we didn't actually send troops into northern Pakistan to look under every rock, and when we seemed to pull back from the whole Tora Bora thing and when the administration seemed to be more interested in not offending Muzaref (or whatever his name is) than actually capture Bin laden.

The whole thing smelled fishy to high heaven then, and back then I was actually giving the admin the benefit of the doubt (I had my awakening a little later, when I saw Cheney give a speech and realized they were gonna go to war in Iraq no matter what anybody thought).

I remember arguing with my Dad about it (who is a total right-winger ex-military guy) about "why are we about to spend billions invading Iraq when we never actually did the job properly in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Why didn't we invade northern Pakistan? WE KNOW THAT'S WHERE THOSE GUYS ARE

Yes, i have since learned that this administration is the most corrupt criminal organization to probably ever have anything CLOSE to this much power. Ever. In the history of earth.

I just wish the truth would fucking get out there!

I just want to thank all the DUers who have been following this and know the details and the links. This is extremely important stuff and we can't let it just go away

[paulthompson]

27. Read this link!

If you want to know more about the US deliberately not catching bin Laden, read this link:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/escapeafghanistan.html

Count the number of times they let him slip away. The most telling quote is this one: a US official later says that "casting our objectives too narrowly" risked "a premature collapse of the international effort (to overthrow the Taliban) if by some lucky chance Mr. bin Laden was captured." (Mirror, 7/8/02)

On another note, Mansour Ijaz is an extremely scary figure. He is clearly the minion for James Woolsey, and in fact the Guardian article mentions their connection in passing. Woolsey in turn is one of the most diehard of the neo-cons, closely linked to Richard Perle, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the gang. Woolsey recently told CNN that we're in the middle of WW4, and that the US would be attacking between 5 to 6 Middle Eastern countries in the next few years, something he thoroughly approves of.

Personally, I believe Ijaz had a direct role in the kidnapping and death of reporter Daniel Pearl. Someone pointed out to me a South Asian discussion board where one of the last people to see Daniel Pearl alive (Khalid Khawaja) was being grilled by people accusing him of being CIA. This guy (weakly) denied it, but admitted financial and personal ties to Ijaz and Woolsey. He was responsible for arranging the meet ups that lead to Pearl's kidnapping. You can see more how Pearl got roped into covering the stories that lead to his death thanks to Ijaz, here:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2002/vanityfair0802.html

There are tons of other things I could tell you that suggest Ijaz is an extremely bad man. He's involved in all kinds of intrigues. Here's another where he was trying to tie 9/11 to Iraq (note again the Woolsey link):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/857879/posts

Indians interested in watching Pakistan have devoted entire webpages to him. For instance, here's one:

http://www.pakistan-facts.com/staticpages/index.php/20021121114844805

He's involved in so many intrigutes that a popular Indian forum even has an entire forum section devoted just to talking about Ijaz! Do not trust anything he says, and keep a close eye on what he does!

On the other hand, this story of Pakistan protecting bin Laden definitely rings true to me, so I'm a bit confused what the agenda is on this one.

[Wetzelbill]

28. Obviously bin Laden is

the best tool that this administration has. If they were to have caught him right off they would lose their permanent excuse to trounce through the Middle East and fight simultaneous theater wars. I'd like to know at what point do they think he becomes expendable? Right before the '04 elections? I also want to know how much of an excuse Hussein will become for continued aggression as well. Will we invade Iran or Syria because the PNAC boys say they helped Saddam and his WMDs escape? All that is ludicrous to the informed, but the vilification of Saddam over the years, coupled with the fear derived from 9-11 makes powerful rhetoric to the ignorant masses. Just look how they have milked bin Laden to the hilt. But, yeah, this Ijaz thing becomes even more perplexing when you look at his whole body of work.

[Minstrel Boy]

29. aka, Emmanuel Goldstein

"The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy - everything." - 1984

[dusty64]

30. This could turn

out to be the story that brings chimp down. No mention in my local paper however (surprise).

[DemonFighterLives]

31. This needs a kick

I had to come by to steal a link. This is quite a story and this getaway and the one after 9/11 of the Bin Ladens out of america are not covered in the news. I knew of both, but they were whitewashed over so quick that the sheep didn't know we were flying the wolves around. This appears that we are complicit ia all the terrorist activities. Could I be wrong?

[zekeson]

32. Who Is this Osama?

And why are we worried about him? the real enemy is Saddam, right? Or Kobe, or Gray Davis, or Scott Peterson.

When Dean/Clark or whatever Dem gets into office they need to open a very stringent investigation into the treasonous shite that the BFEE has crammed down our throat. So far, I got * and Co on about 18,000 counts of murder, treason on numerous counts, grand larceny x infinity, ah, I'm too disgusted to even type more...

[Sterling]

35. If that does not happen I will NEVER support another Dem ever.

In 04 I am fully behind whoever appears to be able to dethrone Bush but if the Dems continue to help sweep this stuff under the rug I will work for the rest of my life to see that no Dem ever gets elected to even dog catcher.

I can cut I tiny bit of slack for dems if their plan is to shut up until they can actually do something about it but like JFK and other "oddities" that Dems never challenged I have a feeling we are witnessing a "good cop bad cop" scam.

We will see.

[jiacinto]

36. Is this a reliable source?

Before I make any judgment or people react I would seriously hope that we could find out if this source is credible. From the name of it it doesn't sound credible.

[dansolo]

37. Isn't this confirmation of Seymour Hersh's story?

Our failure to capture Osama at Tora Bora seems to be related to this story. I'd say that Seymour Hersh is credible.

[htuttle]

38. That's a good point, but I'd think of it this way

I would defy anyone to provide a definition of 'credible' that judged the New York Times as 'credible', while judging the Times of India as 'not credible'.

There's not really much difference between the credibility of the NYT and the Times of India. Perception of each probably varies quite a bit based on where you live on the planet.

[PartyPooper]

39. Kick!

:kick: