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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 03:33 AM
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NYT: Detroit Fights CA Bid to Open Car Pool Lanes to Prius (Guv will sign)
Detroit Fights California Bid to Open Car Pool Lanes to Fuel-Conscious Import
By DEAN E. MURPHY

Published: August 28, 2004


....In car- and image-obsessed California, the Toyota Prius, a hybrid gas-electric car that costs a fraction of the price tag of luxury vehicles normally associated with the state's freeways, has now even managed to win the affection of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Mr. Schwarzenegger does not drive a Prius, still preferring his signature Hummer. But the governor, a Republican, is poised to do something equally unthinkable - and calamitous, some detractors in the American automobile industry insist, because their vehicles do not compete with the fuel efficiency of the Prius.

Aides to the governor say he will sign legislation approved on Thursday that could allow up to 75,000 hybrid drivers, mainly those behind the wheel of a gas-sipping Prius, to use car pool lanes even when taking to the road alone. The governor hopes the perk will encourage more people to buy the cleaner-burning cars, but by doing so, he will give the Japanese-made Prius vaunted status in a state where nearly 30 million registered vehicles compete for every inch of open asphalt....

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But Mr. Schwarzenegger might as well promote a "Buy Japanese" campaign, William C. Ford, Jr., chairman of the Ford Motor Company, said in a letter to the governor. An official with the United Auto Workers National Ford Department also wrote to Mr. Schwarzenegger, urging him to veto the legislation because no American-built vehicle would qualify. The combined offensive nearly killed the bill in the Legislature; it passed the 80-member State Assembly with the minimum 41 votes....


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/28/national/28hybrid.htm...
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 03:41 AM
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1. The US auto makers could make several vehicles to compete
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 03:42 AM by Cronus
The proposed law is not about the Prius, but about hybrid cars. If the US auto makers need to tool up to compete, then they can do so. And they should already have done so anyway, given the peak oil that they've known about for decades.

I'm also surprised at union opposition. If the US car makers have to tool up new production lines for new products, surely that will mean more employment or more overtime for the unions.

I think they're all far too short-sighted. I'm with the proponents on this issue.

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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 03:55 AM
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2. I am sure the Unions figure that GM and Ford
will merely shut down American lines and outsource.
Under the current admin, are they wrong?

That said, bring on the free market competition for hybrids.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:18 AM
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3. Ford HAS a Warehouse Full of Zero-Emission Cars - They Want to CRUSH Them!
even though there are people clamoring to buy them!!! Those cars, would
qualify, of course, for the proposed carpool exemption.

Such an exemption is already in effect for the carpool lanes in the
Bay Area, I believe.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:54 AM
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4. You may as well start making fuel-efficient cars, Mr. Ford. nt
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 06:03 AM
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5. so flippin short sighted Mr. Ford
methinks it has more to do with oil lobby than car mfgs.
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chromotone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:44 AM
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16. I agree...
Whenever a plan to introduce truly efficient autos is introduced, Detroit screams "too expensive or cumbersome to retool." Yet, how long did it take Detroit to retool from making Buicks to making tanks for WWII?

It's the oil companies (the same ones now overseeing US foreign policy) who are putting the kibosh on any attempt to reward environmentally-conscious consumers. If the public wants fuel-efficient autos then Detroit can make and sell them. It's the oil companies who stand to lose.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 06:16 AM
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6. Ford and U.S. Auto Companies need to get over their stubborness.
They balk at initiatives like this, and yet they continue to scratch their heads and wonder why Toyota surges ahead. If they can't see for themselves which way the wind is blowing, then they deserve to be left in the dust by Toyota and other companies that are less averse to taking risks and bold new initiatives.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 06:23 AM
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7. Mr Ford should be considered an enemy of the state
I'm glad somebody is playing hardball with Detroit, who appears to have ignored the lessons of the 70s.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:22 AM
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8. when will US automakers
start really making what our country wants and needs and quit the propaganda of the huge guzzling "independent" crap?

Independent actually means that we are not dependent upon foreign oil and has nothing to do with our transportation devices.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:37 AM
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13. When the auto industry stops making sweetheart deals with the oil
industry. By conning foolish Americans into buying gigantic gas guzzling dangerous SUVs and giant trucks, they were in bed with the oil industry to make them billions. It also keeps us mired in our oil dependency so that we are willing to invade anyone for oil to maintain our 'lifestyle'
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:39 AM
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9. Actually building cars that save huge chunks of oil makes
too much sense not to do. There is no surrender on performance or comfort or lack of knowledge of how to do so.

So just do it!

(Looking at how close the vote was makes me even more conscious how difficult it is for just plain common sense to prevail these days!)
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:12 AM
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10. Arnie works off his karma
Now, he has to go to Detroit and seriously jawbone the auto industry to invest in hybrid and "low-carbon" vehicles.

Schwartzenegger could be a very effective proponent for oil-sparing cars. He'd better get cracking, too, with all that karma he has to work off.

--bkl
You got cars to sell, girly-man!
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:32 AM
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11. But Mr. Schwarzenegger might as well promote a "Buy Japanese" campaign
Oh I've got an idea:

WHY DOESN'T FORD MAKE CLEANER CARS!?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:34 AM
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12. And Ford just willfully crushed all their fuel efficient cars in favor of
gas guzzlers. This is an important and fair thing. Now if only Arnie could lose his fascism...maybe he does have a brain?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:40 AM
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14. Simple marketplace demands, Mr. Ford...
Business 101:

Producers must react to the marketplace. If a competitor creates a superior product, the producer must also react in kind to remain competitive.

GOP Business 102:

Or, he can whine and cry and have his lobbyists put the pressure on Congress to shut down his competetor.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:48 AM
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17. Detroit caught flat-footed once again
It's 1979 all over again.

I hope they don't expect another taxpayer-funded bailout this time.

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:42 AM
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15. Arnold should allow the Ford hybrid Escape in the lanes
which would make Ford happy and would encourage the "buy America" idea. I would hope that only people who need 4 wheel drive would buy that over a more fuel efficient car but it gets twice or three times the milage of other SUVs.

I need 4 wheel drive to get to my house in the winter. I hope to buy a hybrid Escape next year.
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