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Tarheelhombre Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:23 PM
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Obama leads Keyes 67% to 28%
http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_222175640...

CHICAGO (CBS 2) Illinois' senate race is heating up with both Democrat Barack Obama and new Republican candidate Alan Keyes in town pressing the flesh and warming up to voters.

The Republican candidate in this race may just be getting started, but according to an exclusive new CBS 2/Newsradio 780 poll, Keyes has a long way to go. 67 percent of Illinois voters prefer Democrat Obama; 28 percent would choose Keyes.

Keyes and his supporters were feeling the heat of the August sun as he announced for U.S. Senate at a crowded rally in Arlington Heights. Our exclusive voter opinion survey shows Obama generating another kind of heat.

Obama's lead in our CBS 2/Newsradio 780 Survey was most pronounced among women voters, 74 percent to 21percent for Keyes. Among men, it was 59 percent to 36 percent
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lottie244 Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:25 PM
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1. Something really fishy about this. It should be higher for Obama and
lower for Keyes. I smell a rat.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:32 PM
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6. Oh, I don't know
I'd say about 25-30 percent is about what you'd find in any city. Those are the ones who wouldn't vote for a DEM if their life depended on it.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:38 AM
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23. The Kool-Aid Test
I think it's safe to say that if you'd vote for Alan Keyes, you'd pretty much vote for anybody with an -R behind their name. That's the baseline of Republican support.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 04:54 PM
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35. In the Missouri 2002 elections, a convicted felon got 600K votes
His name was Al Hanson and he was running for State Auditor. He was not a CPA, had no relevant experience whatsoever, and in addition had spent about 2 years in prison in Minnesota on fraud charges.

No matter - he was a Republican and strongly anti-abortion, and so he got over 600,000 votes.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:25 PM
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2. good gawd where'd they find that 28 percent...?
Must be flipping over lots of rocks in Illinois.
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:30 PM
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3. that's effectively a rough census of Illinois' dittohead population
...which is somewhere around 30% of the general population most places you go. Those Fox "News" Channel-watching, Limbaugh-listening robots will prefer any Republican over any Democrat.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:33 PM
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7. That's right
I was expecting it to be closer to 35% actually.
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truhavoc Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:38 PM
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10. refer to my "you have to realize...." post n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 09:04 PM
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16. That's roughly the percentage of voters
Who wound up saying "Keyes" for some other reason and were counted as his supporters.

"Do you like Obama or Keyes?" "Keyes? Who?"

"Do you like Obama or Keyes?" "Keyes is running?"

"Do you like Obama or Keyes?" "Gee..."

"Do you like Obama or Keyes?" "Je ne parles pas Anglais." ("Anglais" sounds more like "Keyes" than "Obama.")

"Do you like Obama or Keyes?" "Anyone but the black guy." (Republican pollsters are trying to pretend Keyes is white so they can vote for him.)

"Do you like Obama or Keyes?" "Um, the black guy!" (Republican pollsters will count this as Keyes out of desperation).

"Do you like Obama or Keyes?" "Obama." (Florida pollsters vacationing in Illinois somehow manage to count this as "undecided.")


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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 09:10 PM
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18. lol....
Good one.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:32 PM
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4. 28 point bounce for Keyes!
He WAS polling at 0 last week! Hmmm. How will the lib media spin that?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:34 PM
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9. Uh, Uh, Uh...Don't Be Cruel.
Ah, what the heck...go ahead.
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truhavoc Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:32 PM
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5. You have to realize...
Edited on Mon Aug-09-04 07:32 PM by truhavoc
that if I took a piece of my crap and dressed it up, called it a conservative republican, and asked a polling question, that 28% of people would vote for it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:33 PM
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8. Alan Keyes Will Drag Down Entire Illinois GOP = Dem Congressional Gains
Edited on Mon Aug-09-04 07:33 PM by David Zephyr
Coat tails in reverse!
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:09 PM
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14. it is worth noting here that 2 or 3 races could go against the remap
expectations. We got some real nut-cases from IL in the house. Denny being head nut.
:kick:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 09:08 PM
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17. Yep, he's already turning off the moderates
and the Illinois GOP is extremely moderate.

I predict 28% will be the highest he polls. He's already dissed the downstate folks by concentrating on the Chicagoland region and the moderates will get so turned off by Keyes rhetoric and the fact that Bush will NOT win here that they will stay home.

I'm very hopeful for a Democratic win in the 13th Congressional district. A Keyes candidacy was the best possible news for those underdogs going up against the incumbents in those districts where the incumbent doesn't get a lot of national exposure.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 09:14 PM
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20. I Agree, Walt. 28% Will Be His Water Mark.
And the next water mark will resemble the swirl of a flushed toilet.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 04:59 PM
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36. "extremely moderate"?? (lol)
I get an image of a cluster of people desperately trying to fit themselves on the yellow line down the center of the highway.

As opposed to the moderately extreme, I guess. :silly:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:40 PM
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11. How can Keyes even run, being a MD resident?
Ironic, isn't it, that he is now a carpetbeggar?
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:18 AM
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22. Having run twice in his own state and lost ...
Edited on Tue Aug-10-04 06:18 AM by Sentinel Chicken
what makes him think the voters in Illinois would want him.

Last night I heard him trying to make a case for how he's not a carpetbagger and how his run is different from Hillary's. He says it's because he never planned to run for office, he was asked to run. A very weak argument indeed. He fails to recognize how Hillary went through the Democratic process of a primary election where she was selected by a majority of Democratic Party voters in the state of New York to run for her office. Once again the republican party shows how they are the Un-Democrats.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:56 AM
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30. Oh, he is a blushing virgin waiting to be asked n/t
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:05 AM
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31. He's an ignorant carpetbagger, too
Keyes has parachuted into a state he knows nothing about it.

Hillary Clinton spent many months before the 2000 election traveling all over New York State asking questions and listening to the voters. And she's the carpetbagger?

Keyes's first visit to Illinois was to accept the nomination three months before the election. He doesn't know anything about local issues - all he wants to do is lecture the voters about how abortion and gay marriage and federal income tax are the harbingers of the Antichrist. And Hillary Clinton's the carpetbagger?

This doesn't even pass the laugh test. Or the smell test. Or any test except perhaps the "We're Republicans We're God's Own People We Can Do Anything We Want and If You Don't Like It You Can All Just Go Right to Hell" test.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:43 PM
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12. Loathsome "media" loves a horse race - they are probably doing
everything to pump up Keyes as Obama is too boringly wonderful -makes their job harder!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:45 PM
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13. This is NOT GOOD!!!
Keyes needs to take the lowest percentage of vote he ever has in a Senate race. Currently, his record low stands at 28.98% of the vote against Barbara Mikulski in 1992.

Polling at 28% right now is too close for comfort. Fortunately, our best weapon to drop that percentage is Keyes' mouth.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 09:12 PM
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19. I'll bet that in the end a lot of repubs will simply stay at home...
...and most of those lost votes will come out of that 29 percent.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:28 AM
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24. I agree
In 1988, William Lucas ran for Michigan governor. He is an african american, and he switched parties from Dem to GOP in order to run (he had previously been elected Wayne County Sheriff and Wayne County Executive). My grandpa is a staunch republican and a racist-he didn't vote that year, because he couldn't bring himself to vote for a democrat or a black man.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 05:39 PM
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39. Don't worry..that number will drop...
..the more he opens his bigotted mouth and spews his "God hates gays" vitriol the lower it will go...

Republican voters will stay away in droves this November...Which is good for Obama AND Kerry...
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VoteDemocratic2004 Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:23 PM
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15. Keyes is over 10%
Damn that's hard to believe!
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:17 AM
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21. Count your blessings....
the GOP might have tapped some one who really is viable - but i can' t imagine whom that would be.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:40 AM
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25. Ha Ha KKKeyes reminds me of that old Sylvester Disco song...
DOWN
DOWN
DOWN


I'M GOING

DOWN
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 07:45 AM
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26. Don't worry, once he makes some speeches that will drop....
Sampson slew 10,000 Philistines with the jawbone of an Ass...

A LOT of ReTHUG votes for Senator are gonna be killed with the same weapon in IL....:7
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:03 AM
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27. What voting system will they be using in Illinois?
Just wondering if it's open to tampering.
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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:28 AM
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28. keep talking Keyes
with his knack for making soe really boneheaded remarks, Obama will be wiping he street with him shortly :evilgrin:
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:28 AM
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29. this has to be wrong, should be more like 92%/7% with 1% head up ass
:beer:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:12 AM
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32. Keyes has lost the women's vote. That's a given.
His stance on abortion is the primary reason for that.
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philipowitz Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 04:27 PM
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33. Keyes Just Lost Himself Some Support...
by saying this:

Keyes said legalizing abortion deprives the unborn of their equal rights.

"I would still be picking cotton if the country's moral principles had not been shaped by the Declaration of Independence," Keyes said. He said Obama "has broken and rejected those principles-- he has taken the slaveholder's position."

And here I thought that Alan Keyes was an intelligent, well-spoken right wing nutcase...
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 04:31 PM
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34. Conservative Idiot of the Week!
He has at least two positions with his 9/11 crack and his slaveholder's crack, but I think he'll get at least 2 or 3 more before the week is over. He's a dumb quote machine!
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modrepub Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 05:20 PM
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37. Keyes only purpose
is to dig up dirt and smear Obama. That will allow * to say he's got "better" African American's like Powell and Rice with him.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 05:26 PM
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38. Just watch.. The "polls" will eventually start to creep closer
Edited on Tue Aug-10-04 05:26 PM by SoCalDem
and by October, they will have Keyes as "neck and neck" with Obama.:eyes:

WHY?? Because the polls must ALWAYS be "close", so that when Diebold kicks in...people will just shrug and say.."Gee I guess those polls were rtight..It WAS close"..
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 05:41 PM
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40. Barack Obama has certainly shown he can cut the mustard...
with Keyes intellectually. It's Obama's state, Keyes hasn't the foggiest clue of the "LOCAL" issues, and, doesn't care.

Keyes is a terrible politician, as has been noted in previous attempts, in a state he knows better than Illinois.

I believe that Mr. Obama will have very little problem with Keyes. I hope that the voters in Illinois DO have resentment in having the NRC dictate their politics. In essence, I hope there will be a backlash in some of the Congressional contests.
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:53 PM
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41. Obama & Keyes on NPR's Fresh Air Thursday AM
I suspect Keyes will seal his fate at 11 am Thursday--before he and Obama ever have an official debate! They are both being interviewed on WBEZ's Fresh Air program. I can't wait! I've heard a lot of terrible things about Keyes. He is certainly a laughing stock in my office. I'm looking forward to listening to him make a fool of himself. I heard he was singing broadway show tunes on a local newscast this morning. pitiful...
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