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GeronimoSkull Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:42 PM
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Bush targets marijuana smokers
Bush targets marijuana smokers

Richard Luscombe in Miami
Sunday July 25, 2004
The Observer

New super-strength marijuana readily available on US streets is prompting the White House to change direction in its war against drugs.

Research from the government-sponsored Marijuana Potency Project claims today's cannabis is more than twice as strong as in the mid-Eighties, leading to greater health risks for those smoking it at increasingly younger ages.

Now President George Bush, who had already promised a more aggressive campaign against substance abuse, has ordered that resources be allocated to fighting so-called 'soft' drugs instead of concentrating on harder forms, such as heroin and cocaine.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1268690,00....

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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:44 PM
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1. This is SO retarded
Edited on Sat Jul-24-04 11:48 PM by troublemaker
The reasoning here is dangerously close to the old joke (sometimes attributed to Yogi Berra) of a guy at a pizza parlour asked whether he wants his pizza cut into six slices or eight slices. He says, "Better cut it into six slices. I don't think I can eat eight."

What the hell does potency per gram have to do with anything? People smoke pot based on how high they want get, not based on daily consumption of some certain mass of plant tissue.

If beer was weaker people wopuld drink more of it. If it was stronger they would drink less.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:27 PM
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83. To take the focus off the coco crop the gov is harvesting in A-stan
they confiscate there and in Columbia. Of course after they use potent herbicides to haphazardly poison their water, kill their animals (cattle/dogs/cats), and taint their food supply.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 03:15 PM
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98. Portugual had the right idea
http://www.mpp.org/states/site/quicknews.cgi?key=7479


It's OK to Smoke Dope, England Fans Told
The Guardian; June 11, 2004
by Paul Kelso


Portuguese police officers will turn a blind eye to England supporters who openly smoke cannabis during Euro 2004, having decided that a stoned crowd is easier to control than a drunk one.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 05:48 PM
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107. Well, I don't think your beer analogy holds up
Alcohol is notoriously easy to over-indulge in; drunk people just keep drinking, given half a chance. But on marijuana, I agree...once you're high, you're high. Pot smokers I've known (including myself many years ago) don't typically smoke and smoke and smoke until they pass out, they just get high and that's it. So I agree, this is assanine, and probably just a response to the loosening of marijuana laws in the UK and Canada.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:11 PM
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136. It lowers cancer risk ...
... since smokers can get MORE THC with less puffing.

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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:44 PM
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2. Bushit.
Edited on Sat Jul-24-04 11:45 PM by khephra
I've smoked off and on for 20 years...nothing new is out there.

Why don't we spend all this money on recovery programs for people with drinking problems or cancer from smoking?
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:45 AM
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69. It's a form of oppression of Pagan values
It's that "crazy Hollywood bunch" who smokes weed and eats wheatgrass.

I'm reading Davinci Code and what seems clear to me is that this is a long battle against balance. Goddess power is oppressed and nearly eliminated. Marijuana goes along with herbs that are the tools of "witches".

Right now we are in a patriarchical society that is out of balance and ruining the planet. Of course MJ is just another device that they know a segment of the society likes and it can be used to oppress them. It';s the basis to get into their homes, find "violations" and lock them up into system of slavery with a higherr profit margin.

MJ was first made illegal by the Texans for that very reason - because they knew mexicans had it and it was a way to make them all suspects, subject to search, seizure and deportation.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #69
81. don't forget
black men and mj. they were (are?) targeted that way too.
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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #69
146. I've Read the Da Vinci Code
It's a real Eye Opener. I had my doubts about organized religion before (specifically christianity) now however, my long held suspicions hav been confirmed.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:09 PM
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79. yeah
if this supposedly potent stuff is everywhere, why can I only find crappy, tasteless commercial stuff? Anyway, Im quitting in a month b/c Im moving to China and I dont think they take to kindly to :smoke: over there. Until then...

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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:25 PM
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140. You'll have to switch to heroin ...
...

Thats where the Poppies from Afghanistan are processed.

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:14 PM
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80. THANK YOU!!!!!!!
but of course, that will never happen.
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Ohio Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:45 PM
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3. Well, that makes sense.
The 9-11 Commission begs for fast action, and he goes on vacation. And while he's at it, turns up the heat on pot smokers.

I mean, he has his priorities down pat, doesn't he?
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:46 PM
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4. Methamphetamines
Edited on Sat Jul-24-04 11:49 PM by Harrad
Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...

You fucking imbeciles!!!!!!!

And while your at it quit pushing ritalin too

Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...Methamphetamines...
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:55 PM
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7. Hey now, If it wasn't for ritalin......
Bush could never face a camera. Give the stooge a break.
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worksux Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #7
134. where do we get the free Kerry bumpersticker?
we my bf and I already have a couple but would like to get more from friends/family?
how does it work?
thx
Kat and Tom
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:12 PM
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137. I don't think he's on Ritalin ....
... but he SHOULD BE!!!!!!

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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:41 AM
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25. Oh, yes.
The most dangerous drug out there today. I live in the meth capital of the U.S. and let me tell you, this stuff is what the feds should be focusing on. I've seen this drug do horrible, horrible things to people--good people. I know someone who was married, had kids, a house and a couple of dogs. Somehow between the end of last summer and Christmas, she got into meth and has become a completely different person. She's lost everything and is on the streets interacting with scumbags who would kill her and dump her body in the river for a couple of bucks. Everyone's tried to help her, to no avail. All she wants is the meth. Marijuana? Please!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:41 AM
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37. SLC is the meth capital?
I despise meth and meth users, and I've seen first hand the dehumanizing effect meth has on people. But I thought my town (Portland) was the meth capital.

Then it dawned on me that EVERY town is the meth capital. I think it's everywhere.

Potheads are no threat. Tweakers will kill you for nothing.
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Chelsea Patriot Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:58 AM
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51. From Sea To Shining Sea, Tina reigns!!

I thought Chelsea was the Meth capitol of the world!

I hate Speed, Meth, or as my neighborhood pathetically calls the shit..."Tina."

I can't hate meth users, though. I would be speaking to no one, except my partner! Only a handful of people I know are not hooked on this drug. Somehow, my community was persuaded Meth was just another harmless party drug. Meth supplanted XTC around 2000, right after the dissolution of The Morning Party.

Has anyone ever noticed how Meth makes the user act like A Right-Winger? Aggressive, Hostile, Brutal, Filled with Hate and acting it all out, frequently in a really,perverted sexual arena.

Hitler was a meth freak.

Does anyone think the emigres, whom Operation Paper-clip so graciously transplanted to our country could have brought cook-books with them to their new homes in California?

Meth is the drug problem; marijuana is the solution.



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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:06 PM
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75. Why thank you for being so judgmental......
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 12:08 PM by damkira
Meth users have a PROBLEM and need HELP not to be judged. With the proper help and motivation, meth users can become productive citizens again. How do I know this? Because I was a meth addict. I've been clean for a year now and will never touch the stuff again. Oh and by the way, I never killed anyone when I was on it.

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:32 PM
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84. hey, he was just being real
not judgmental, imo. i know cranksters too, ex and otherwise. it is the worst thing out there. you can spot one a mile away too. the giveaways? hair, teeth, skin goes to hell. it's a destroyer of many lives.

congrats on your recovery!
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:47 PM
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113. You are right..
However, it is METH that is evil not its users..
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #113
116. Point taken.
I'm glad you have stopped using.

I certainly don't hate you. I do hate what meth users do to themselves and others. That's the point I was trying (unsuccessfully) to make.

Going back into my glass house now... :)
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:25 PM
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130. Thanks...
I appreciate that. You are right, it's very sad. And it only makes things worse when our idiot president wants to put more money into fighting pot instead of educating people about meth. We get all this crap about how bad marijuana is (I'm not saying it's harmless) and then people try it and assume all drugs are not very harmful. I hope that when Kerry is president he will de-emphasize marijuana and fund more education about meth, crack and heroin so that people will know
better than to harm themselves and others.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #113
119. yes
i understand that too.
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #75
124. Absolutely damkira.
We all have our demons to overcome.

Congrats on your 1 year anniversary! And welcome to DU! :hi:
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:27 PM
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123. I can peg a tweaker in my store
Within a couple of minutes, sometimes seconds. Totally different type of person/customer.

It's the drug itself that has taken over the person I see, not the human being inside.



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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:26 PM
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131. I know it's ridiculous....
It's like paranoia has taken over common sense. It would be funny if it weren't so sad....
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luaneryder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:26 AM
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49. I disagree with you
I think that I live in the meth capital of the US (NE/TN NW/NC rural). This area has such a high concentration of meth labs that my county has stated that 70% of children live in meth homes. The stores cannot put Sudafed or gasoline additives on their shelves because of theft. A child came to school one day and said that he and his sister had to sleep oputside in a tent because of what daddy was cooking in the trailer. I do agree with you on one thing; this is a horrily terrible drug that ruins everyone it touches. Marijuana is a non issue.
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:57 AM
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59. are you in mason city iowa?
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 10:02 AM by leQ
on edit: grammar
after reading the rest of the posts, i had to think for a minute that maybe mason city isn't as bad as they say.

and to see the horrors of what this drug can do had become such a daily routine for me that it was (2 years ago) almost refreshing to see people without skull-like eyes and weighing more than 150 lbs.

really. it was hard, there was a lot of crime (usually brought to the hood from outside the area), but it's still a climate that has virtually been written off by the city except when they want to arrest someone.

lately, however, we have become a better community by organizing a northend association and cleaning up parks and abandoned houses. new folks are starting to move in. this isn't a war against the previous residents (not at all like you see on tv), but rather a cooperation. making drug addicts see that there's a better life, and able to achieve it (and that my friends is the stumbling block presently in these programs that fail), creates a good sense of self esteem. and people with good self-esteem aren't up to kill themselves with meth.

what's really making our stoid officials shit their pants is that it's not costing the city a dime.


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GHOSTDANCER Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 03:43 AM
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40. They will never get... Nore do they want to...
Dumb Dumb people with no ability to look away from their piles of money.

<>
FREE THIS FUQIN PLANT!!!!! THE PLANET DEPENDS ON IT .... PERIOD!!!!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #40
86. as the rastas say
herb for the healing of the nations. it's so much more than a buzz.
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #86
122. And we sure as heck need a whole lotta that!
Healing, that is- for all of us brothers and sisters.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #122
135. amen!
n/t
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:35 PM
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141. I'm looking forward to liberal states suing the feds on this issue ...

I personally think that drug prohibition is a violation of states rights (so far as domestic growth and distribution is concerned).

Marijauna is NOTHING compared to alcohol, heroine, nicotine, crank and the #1 addictive substance in the nation ....

CAFFIENE!!!!!!


The bans of Mary-Janes brother hemp is absoluetly ridiculous since they are easily distinguished from one another. Hemp could save our forests since the fiber board it produces is actually lighter AND stronger than cut lumber. It could make amazing clothes that put cotton to absolute shame. And of course, we could fuel our offices with paper and our vehicles with diesel using cheap and easily grown HEMP.


We need leaders who will speak openly about this issue (like former Massachusetts governer (and ironically a Republican)) William Weld. Our politicians need to follow the Moore doctorine and not only stick to their guns, but fire them twice as much when the right wingers criticize them.

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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #4
67. I agree and
if Bush' family didn't have such a stake in the Cocaine and Heroin trafficking they would be more lenient towards pot.

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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:46 PM
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5. And now exiting, stage left, more libertarians
hey but, thanks for stopping by! more people going, "lost my vote"
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nightperson Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:08 AM
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13. It seems more than ever that Bush is "hellbent",
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 12:32 AM by secondtermdenier
so to speak, on whittling the Republican Party down to a small group of hardcores, perhaps in earnest preparation for "the End Times" ( :scared: ).

When the National Review is doing a pro-legalization cover story how does this help him? Maybe he just doesn't care about winning anymore, or maybe, like I said, it's that End Times stuff running 'round in his head ... :scared:.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:39 AM
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32. Let him whittle it down. There won't be much left - to his downfall
He's already pissed off blacks, gays, AIDS patients, the countries of immigrant voters, eldery, middle class, lower class, union workers, teachers. Who else is left? I don't think this election will be nearly as close as they say unless it's stolen again.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #32
77. Good list...now if we can get all those people to the polls that
would help... I keep running into people who are not registered.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:54 PM
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6. As Bugs Bunny would say
"What a maroon!"
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:56 PM
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8. How about shutting down HEROIN
If the report on NPR a few months ago is to be believed, in many areas of the US, you can get very pure heroin cheaper than you can buy BEER. Real live heroin, pure enough to snort. A huge problem...kids who would never shoot up will snort this shit.

Not to mention methamphetamines, and hillbilly heroin.

But let's worry about pot first.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:28 AM
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19. The huge problem is the law against it.....
Like all illegal drugs, the problem with heroin is that the black market drives the price up, making people do all kinds of crazy shit to obtain it. The strength and quality are unknowns because there is no regulation, making it easy to overdose.

Just say no doesn't work. People like to alter their perception. Heroin feels good. It is relatively safe if used carefully, though it is very physically addictive. It will remain popular even if it is illegal. We should be allowed to do whatever the hell we want if we aren't harming anyone.

Stop the lies, educate people about the actual effects of drugs, and make them all legal and available in regulated doses. Let people make their own decisions as to what they want to use.

OK?
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:25 AM
Response to Reply #19
44. Well said
It is also the illegality of course that fuels the violence in the drug trade due to the vast sums of untaxed money at stake.

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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:22 PM
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139. That would endict the Northern Alliance ...
... who have ALWAYS smuggled drugs as a way of financing themselves.


Poppie makes for more poppies.

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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:59 PM
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9. Lets see
Afghanistan is pumping out close to 80% of the world heroin, the United States military (lets not forget the CIA) is occupying Afghanistan... Lets target pot.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:59 PM
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10. Ignore the man behind the curtain
When the Bush Administration can't deal with a problem they change the subject. Don't worry about the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the fact they still haven't found bin laden or the anthrax terrorist(s). Instead panic that your kids might be smoking super-pot. I assume this means more raids on hospices full of medical marijuana users.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:03 AM
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11. That headline threw me. I thought he was after my vote.
I started thinking of a good vote-hiding-place, then I caught on. Whew!

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 05:14 AM
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42. Hilarious!
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:38 AM
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58. Glad I'm not the only one who thought that!
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rednek_Liberal Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:07 AM
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12. What... oh hey, noo George's not here maan....
hey i think this my 100 postage too.whoopdedoo
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:11 AM
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14. He's doing this because ...
Bayer has a new prescription drug developed from marijuana and Bush doesn't want the stuff on the street to cut in to their profits. That's why the Bushies have been blocking every attempt to legalize marijuana - they knew the pharmaceutical companies were developing something and if pot was legal for medicinal purposes, their drug company buddies wouldn't make any money. It's the same old story - he never has a "noble" reason for doing anything; it's always about money.


If you haven't heard about the new drug, read this

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:14 AM
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15. Well, that does explain it!
I figured he was just trying to distract attention from all the heroin he and his buddies have dumped on the world. But profits - hey, that makes perfect sense now.
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #14
23. marinol has been around for years
synthesized delta-9-tetrahydrocanabinol.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #14
26. Clamp down on the sick
That is what the plan is to find/arrest people I heard. They will get the names from the "legal" clubs that are around and then they will also have themselves the source - takes them right to it.

I have a good friend with multiple sclerosis that could greatly benefit from legalized cannabis or Sativex. This person had difficulty swallowing and severe digestive problems and can't take hardly any pain medication so lives in chronic/severe pain basically and has severe spasms all over his body. It is very sad. :(

They should legalize this for sick persons and leave them the hell alone! Quit terrorizing the sick and disabled!! :grr:

:dem: :kick:
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:07 AM
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52. You got it right..the Squad is always for profits and their friends
Good post..keep it kicked!
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:16 AM
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16. Poor people smoke pot..............
Bush hates poor people. </generalization>
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frogbison Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:24 AM
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18. Foamdad
we are related somehow.

peace
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:40 PM
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87. ummm
so do rich people...

doctors, lawyers, judges, police, you name 'em, they smoke it.
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:16 PM
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129. It's the poor who actually end up doing time for it.
Plus, the white collar people I know use FAR more so-called hard drugs than the other types of people I know.

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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 05:41 PM
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106. um, no pot smokers cross all walks of life
I make six figures and I smoke pot. Am I poor?
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:03 PM
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110. I make six figures, too.
Um, you are counting the pennies, right?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:20 AM
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17. Compare this to Kerry
From the Rolling Stone interview:
-You have talked in the past of smoking pot when you returned from Vietnam. What do you think of the way the pot laws are prosecuted today?

-We have never had a legitimate War on Drugs in the United States, ever, and we won't until we have treatment on demand for addiction and until you have full drug education in our schools. The mandatory-minimum-sentencing structure of our country is funneling people into jail who have no business being there.

-And every year, the number of people arrested for marijuana offenses goes up.

-I've met plenty of people in my lifetime who've used marijuana and who I would not qualify as serious addicts -- who use about the same amount as some people drink beer or wine or have a cocktail. I don't get too excited by any of that.

-Would you favor decriminalization?

-No, not quite. What we did in the prosecutor's office was have a sort of unspoken approach to marijuana that was almost effectively decriminalization. We just didn't bother with small-time use. It doesn't rise to the level of nuisance, even. And what we were after was people dealing with heroin and destroying lives, and people who were killing people. That's where you need to focus.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:29 AM
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20. Quick! Make sure we buy up all the Ho-hos and Twinkies!
Before the Bu$heviks take those away and we are all screwed when we have the munchies!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:33 AM
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21. 'war on drugs'
...another crock of sh*t from the US gov't. jeezus h. friggin christ, we have more important things to worry about that marijuana. I for one, think it ought to be legal - at least for medicinal use.

'war on terror' (a war on an emotion, how about that one?)

It gets more ludicrous and wasteful by the day...
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:11 AM
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63. naah...
It should be legal for recreational use, as well. I smoked reefer for a good number of years (emphasis on the word "good"). My wife and I gave it up (along with other substance use, in order that our children would not learn smoking, drinking, and recreational drug use from us. When they leave the house, however, I could see myself returning to my marijuana usage. No tobacco, and no (or very little) alcohol, however.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:35 AM
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22. Stopping gay marriage, jailing pot smokers, and ending flag burning....
Sounds like one helluva Republican platform to me! Are these guys leaders or what?
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:40 AM
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24. So, to sum up:

Having re-established the opium trade in Afghanistan, the Bush regime is now re-tasking law enforcement away from the consumption and trade in opiates.


MDN

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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:08 AM
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29. DING DING! Tell the man what he has won!
Guess the BFEE didn't bother to invest in marijuana and now sees their profits from opiates dwindle. The very last thing drug barons want is a legal drug ( :scared:).
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:42 AM
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33. Just as long as the natural gas flows through the pipeline without trouble
That's all they give a shit about.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:51 AM
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27. Damn. He's* such uniter and they* don't have a fuckin' clue.
This is so lame. I must yield to post *1 that says it much better than I can.

But I predict that the next time this information appears, it will link pot to homosexuality. Watch for it.
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:24 AM
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30. Didn't Hearst try that already

Orchestrated Pot-hysteria

And in analogy with the Bayer-theory, the Marihuana Tax Act was also lobbied by a chemical company (DuPont). Only then the goal was to make the plant itself illegal, because of the strong fiber that was very suitable for the production of rope. DuPont had recently taken a patent on a synthetic plastic for the production of rope.

from the link:

A statement by their corporate president hints at DuPont's intentions:
"Synthetic plastics (made from mineral, chemical, petroleum, and fossil fuel deposits) find application in fabricating a wide variety of articles, many of which in the past were made from natural products."

Anslinger, Hearst, and the 1937 Marihuana Tax Act

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:07 AM
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28. WHAT . . . AN . . . IDIOT!!! . . .
nothing more to say . . .
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:29 AM
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31. Super strong dope?? Where?
Man, these guys don't have a clue about grass. super strength my ass. Its always been super strength from the 60's...

Its diversion and distraction....
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:01 AM
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35. yeah, I've been hearing about this mythical stuff for years
I still haven't found any.
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nightperson Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:13 AM
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36. For years I've lived in fear
of the supercalifragilisticextrahydroponic g-13 mutant strain said to have escaped from a government compound... :scared: . Our very civilization is threatened... :scared: . Bush is taking action! All available resources must be allocated! Spare no expense!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:45 AM
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38. Kona Gold, Maui Wowie, Puna Buttah, are the old standards
in Hawaii.

Equivilent to Yemmeni, Jamacian Blue Mountain Coffee in terms of standards.

The Bush guys are blowing smokescreens.... :smoke:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:31 AM
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68. I'll have to come visit sometime
I've never been to the islands.

:loveya:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:53 PM
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90. Come, we go surfing, diving, luaus, hiking, smell flowers, eat strange
foods.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:54 AM
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39. no shit
I'd like some of what THEY are smokin'. :)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:54 PM
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91. Good Shit??? Where????
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:55 PM
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97. Attempt to Reach former Pot Smokers
I think the wingnuts have run into the problem of too many 40-60 something parents, soccer moms, businessmen, etc., who, like pretty much everybody else in the 60s and 70s, smoked marijuana at least a few times. It's hard to get these people all worked up about a War on the Evil Weed when they know from experience that it's not all that Evil.

But wait! It's not "innocent" like it was when YOU smoked it! It's much, much stronger now! Really! And it's coming to get your kids!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:49 AM
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34. Grrr!!!
:grr: :mad:
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 05:10 AM
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41. There ain't nothin' new under the sun, here.
Anyone remember the Great Drout of '88? People were smoking stems and seeds that election year. (I of course had already taken Nancy's advice and "just said no.")

It was also popular in those days for Drug Warriors such as my high school basketball coach/gym teacher/substance abuse banshee to knock around a hauntingly similar statistic: that the marijuana commonly available in 1988 was three times as powerful as the best "sinsemelia" of the 1960s.

We were also programmed to know that 1960s-era red-haired sinse was supposed to be 5% THC. The stuff of 1988 therefore would average around 15%. Doubling that figure would put today's flowing torrent of hydroponic mind melter at a spectacular 30% THC. And of course, it's freely available... probably to mere children, even.

Unless of course someone was lying then... or now. Or, maybe it's the same people who were lying to us then who are also lying to us now.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:21 AM
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43. Marijuana is the basis for a police state
...making possession of this innocuous weed a crime, and the pipes and papers necessary to smoke it a crime, gives police the opportunity to put otherwise law abiding citizens under arrest and introduce them to the labyrinthine tentacles of the criminal injustice system.

If it weren't for marijuana, a good portion of the criminal justice system would have nothing to do. A large portion of those pretextual stops for a broken tailights and failure to maintain lane would end up in no arrests, no fines, and no revenues for the police, the courts and those proliferating probation contractors.

If it weren't for marijuana, when Afro-Americans and young persons are pulled over in their cars or stopped on the street on the basis of racism or some unfounded suspicion, the police would have absolutely no power over them.

The great thing about marijuana and the so called paraphenalia laws is that when you don't even have any marijuana, you can still go to jail or get stuck in the paternalistic and oppressive police state system.



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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:27 AM
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45. Idiotic
What is Kerry's position on MJ decriminalization or medicinal use?



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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:11 PM
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92. He said he would not prosecute Medical Marijuana users/growers
and clubs....that's an improvement over Clinton.....

Don't expect him to repeat it, or make a commercial about it.

Folks this is another bullshit wedge issue/distraction. Move to one of the 6 states that has legalised it for medical purposes.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:33 AM
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46. And the "war against drugs" preceded the Patriot Act
as cover for assault of civil liberties.

Between the two we can soon just start taking turns being prisoners and guards in the Gulag Nation. Full employment at last.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 05:49 PM
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108. Bing Bing Bing --- another winner!
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 05:51 PM by realpolitik
As I keep saying, MJ prohibition is the cornerstone piece of social control which keeps the rest of the American cultural trance in place. It was the first purely discretionary policy enforced by cold war psyops, and some in the field believe that if it falls, so will other core socially enforced values.

The other elements of the cultural trance for (not necessarily *of*) Americans is hatred for the other, a belief that America is morally superior--not based on facts, the superiority of the individual over the society, and the taint of being needy.

Sadly for our sake, pot was labled a 'commie' drug. Cocaine was produced by right thinking central and south americans and distributed with the help of the CIA. Smack is Afghanistan's only marketable resource, same as it ever was...

So folowing the big thread, commie drugs (Pot, Acid, E) bad, patriotic drugs good (alch, tobacco, speed, heroin, oxyrush). This is one of the few ways of looking at Bush's actions that makes any sense. Though I am willing to admit that their is no sense to this, except a Rove/Ashcroft/Bush bit of 'head of the chicken' ju-ju that is off the rational radar screen.


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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:11 PM
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128. Don't forget caffeine.
That one's OK, too, cause it gets people to work on time. (Myself, included.) ;-)

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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:06 PM
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127. Unfortunately, you are right.
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 10:06 PM by Sophree
Marijuana prohibition has, from the beginning, had nefarious politico-economic objectives. Every single large industry you could possibly name is lined up against the little ole' hemp plant because, shocker, it cuts into their bottom line.

Now they use it to inflate the for-profit prison system and is, IMO, slavery reincarnated.

As with all propaganda, there is SOME truth to what the B*sh folks are trying to say. Cannabis that is cultivated the way, say- fruits and vegetables have been- taking some of the best parts of the crop for clippings/seeds, etc. to produce offspring that is, on the whole, better than the original crop. Repeat this, over a period of 30 so years and add in more experienced growers and agricultural techniques and you could end up with some pretty potent cannabis.

HOWEVER, the entire premise for their argument is questionable at best. Stronger cannabis=greater health problems? I'd say it would REDUCE the negative health effects because people have to smoke less of the stuff to produce the same high (less intake of carcinogens, etc.)

Stronger pot equals greater health risks? SHOW ME THE DATA! But that, unfortunately, will never happen. Activists and researchers have been trying to get permission from the government to conduct studies on the plants health benefits/risks for decades to no avail. In fact, the one time the government directed a study, (the Nixon administration, who wanted to prove its theory that cannabis was harmful to the immune system) it was discovered that cannabis actually REDUCED the size of cancer cells and tumors.

Here's and article about a new study (conducted in Spain,) which contains some information about the 1974 study as well:

http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread9211.shtml

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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:37 AM
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47. Is this being reported in US?
I'd like to see this widely publicized. There are lots of pot-smokers out there - and some unknown (to me at least) number of them vote Republican. Give them another reason to stay home or vote Dem this time around.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:40 AM
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48. Excuse me....
Isn't the heroin business in Afghanistan skyrocketing? And isn't Afghanistan occupied by American troops?

With logic like this, you can see why Bush invaded Iraq to get Al Queda....
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:37 AM
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50. When they covered logic at Yale, Bush thought they sed picnic and
left for the day.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:21 AM
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53. I am about to go into a marijuana rage over this!
First though ... Teletubbies are on and hey, there are some chips and some cupcakes ...

Hmmmmm ... the Bush is a buzz-harsher from hell.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:10 PM
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114. Bush=Buzz-kill
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:23 AM
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54. Just when you think you can't hate bush more
He tries to take pot away. First Iraq, now this?!?!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:03 AM
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55. Total BS. Another purchased favor from Bush for the drug industry
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:26 AM
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56. It gets much worse than this
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/19008

Legislation weaving its way through the US Congress demands all 50 states pass laws granting police the power to drug test drivers and arrest anyone found to have "any detectable amount of a controlled substance ... present in the person's body, as measured in the person's blood, urine, saliva, or other bodily substance."
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:58 AM
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60. ooooh, what happens
when they find that Tylenol #3 is coursing through my veins?
I sometimes have a lot of pain (neck operation) and when the pain comes on I take Tylenol 3 to subdue it.
I don't even get a "buzz" because you see it is doing its job of keeping me out of pain.
When the pain stops, I just stop taking it.
I would hate to be arrested on the mere basis of having it in my system though.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:05 PM
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74. "any detectable amount"
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 12:09 PM by SOS
Cannabis is detectable for 30 days because the human body identifies THC as food (a fat molecule) and stores the molecule in the liver. That's because cannabis is non-toxic, unlike other drugs. The most toxic drugs (nicotine, alcohol, opiates, meth) are recognized as poison and are expelled very quickly. People have to readminister toxic drugs frequently since the drug toxins are rapidly cleaned out of the system.

So this "any detectable amount" thing is directed at pot smokers. Someone who yesterday was drunk and high on meth would get a pass, while someone who smoked a joint 3 weeks ago would be arrested. The people who sponsor this type of legislation are really twisted.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:49 PM
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88. this was
SPECIFICALLY targeted at mj users, make no bones about that! they've been trying to find a way to snag mj users for a long time without much success. another law targeting users is the "rave act". i think they are trying to put the clamps on us now because they see themselves being VOTED OUT!

these are some evil bastards....
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:29 AM
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57. Shades of the 60's!

God, this sounds familiar...arguments straight out of the 60's.

1. I know people who are serving PRISON sentences for three pot offenses.

2. As the mother of a crack-addicted son, I WISH he was a regular pot smoker instead.

3. As a teacher, I KNOW that a substantial percent of today's students are regular users of meth/crack.

4. As a teacher, I see TOO many kids on legally-pushed drugs such as Ritalin.

Who in the hell is advising Bu$h on his "dangerous drugs" policy? Why wouldn't he choose a more enlightened stance on the War Against Drugs, or, maybe the general public is not as enlightened as I thought?

Crack/Meth....Weapons of Mass Destruction
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 03:23 PM
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99. because fear is the number one drug of choice of this misadministration
and they will make the American sheople mainline that fear so they can push the bs over on them on mj.

It's too bad that this misadministration considers all Americans to have the reasoning capabilities of 4 yr olds, and therefore they must be treated as the ignorant children we seem to be to them.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:17 PM
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115. I have a friend that went to Angola for 2 years for just a teensy amount
- about a joint's worth. The narc wanted to BUY it from him but he said "No, you can just have it." The narc refused to take it for free and handed money to him anyway and then arrested him. He spent 2 1/2 years with murderers and rapists that nearly beat him to death the first week... he took up art while in the hospital.

Bush wants to do this to all of us unless we behave like good little nazis.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:02 AM
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61. Perhaps I will go steal someone's belongings so I can go buy some...
...Just kidding.

I dont advocate any drug use to anyone- but why go after "softer" drugs as opposed to hard ones?

Seems backwards...
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Fear Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:52 AM
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71. cause there's more money to be made with cocaine ;) 'the protected
drug' :S
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:04 AM
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62. More anti-sixties sub-context. Gotta get those hippies!
Make 'em be boring and uptight-good upstanding Americans!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:18 AM
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65. It shows how dated & out of touch they are...
...again, I do not endorse drug use at all- I'm just saying that a LOT of Repubs & Bush supporters smoke pot-its not just war protesters...

I think you are right- this is a throw back to a cold war era culture war mentality....
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:26 AM
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66. The only freeper I know personally is a major dope smoker....
so I laughed hoping he hears about this.

A couple of weeks ago the NYT columnist Maureen Dowd (I know, a lot of
people don't like her) wrote a great column about how much of the Bush
folks agenda is rooted in an anti-sixtes sub-context. If you're interested,
its well worth the read.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:17 AM
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64. Ironic isn't it -ha n/t
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:55 AM
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72. Got coke?
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:49 AM
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70. That seems rather insane.
Putting aside whether the War on Some Drugs makes any sense in the first place, wouldn't you want to go after the more dangerous stuff?
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:00 PM
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73. Does anyone still care about weed?
Simple possession's a misdemeanor in most states now -- even Texas. Fifty dollar fine, if they bother to write the ticket at all.

I work in an office full of cops, DAs, probation officers, COs, and the like -- pot's like a joke around there, really almost considered to be a complete waste of time.
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scarlet_owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:08 PM
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76. What a waste!
Children are going hungry, people are losing their jobs, seniors, (and folks like me, for instance), can't afford their medicine, and they are going to dump more money into going after marijuana use? Sorry about the bad grammar, but this pisses me off to no end. There is something seriously wrong here.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:05 PM
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78. Why? Did the SOTU noise about steroids flop? eom
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:21 PM
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82. Ricky Williams just quit football.....
Chose pot over the money. Was tired of he whole NFL urinalysis BS. Rumsfeld and Bush SR made millions pushing drugs. Why doesn't that fact get air time? Where is the fairness doctrine?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:53 PM
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89. in all fairness
you can't say that ricky williams made his decision to retire because of weed. he also had a mental disorder that he was fighting. it could have been any number of things. i'll miss his playing tho...
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:34 PM
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85. What exactly is "super-strength" supposed to do..
...that regular pot doesn't? What kind of health risks, except for overeating, spending all your time watching "Dude, Where's my Car," etc.?

This is such a load of shit. But I'm sure that's already been said.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:12 PM
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93. work better.
Strong medicine.... great for aids, cancer or even simple depression.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 04:17 PM
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101. I've Always Thought
that this supposed "super-strength" weed would be MORE healthy, because the unhealthy part of pot is that you have to smoke it. Stronger pot = less you have to smoke = more healthy pot
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:47 PM
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120. answer
the better the weed, the less you smoke
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:17 PM
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94. " new super strength pot" ROFLMAO
Guess what lying to kids about drugs is the worst
thing you can do . Be honest about the consequences ,
Stupid bush lying to the kids about pot will make
Them think you are lying about Speed, PCP, Heroin,
Coke etc.............

Stupid Stupid bush
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:25 PM
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95. Yeah I know about the "Rave ACt"
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 02:26 PM by DaveSZ
A big "Fuck You!" to Joe Biden for that one.

We almost had it killed until he attached it as an amendment to some bill that no one would vote against.

Land of the free my ass!
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:38 PM
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96. Super Strength? Where can I get some of that?
What a douchebag this pResident is. Talk about fucked up priorities.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 04:19 PM
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102. Tell Me About It
Last time I smoked pot, 1996, was the worst, waste of time and money pot I ever smoked, and I started in 1975.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 04:54 PM
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103. I have some really good kind bud but it's nothing like the Skunk
that I used to get in the 80's. That shit would have you laughing for hours, this stuff gets you on but it's not anywhere near the experience that real Skunk #1 was. Maybe I'm just older and more used to it but this notion of "Super strength" is ridiculous.
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:48 PM
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125. mmmmmmm Lung candy
I would agree about the skunk (far too stinky to hide)Alot of the Greed Weed (profit driven)is blasted with chemical nutrients right up to harvest time.Organic Outdoor BC bud for all :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :hi:
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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 03:49 PM
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100. Honest to God - I wished he'd get a clue.
He's got all of the freepers crouched by the windows.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 05:18 PM
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104. Super Strength
My ass!

Reminds me of the "you will die/go blind/become sterile/go insane paraquat scare of the late 70's...

stupid stupid people, if they had it their way, no one would participate in LIFE without a drug test...assholes

(funny note, paraquat was in the spell check dictionary, it did not alert as spelled bad...hee hee)
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 05:23 PM
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105. "instead of concentrating on harder forms, such as heroin and cocaine. "
And why should this be?

1. Rewarding the Afghan warlords (opium).

2. Supporting the family business (CIA owned Cocaine).
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:11 PM
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111. could this be to reward the liquor lobby?
They have collectively donated more to republicans than the Democrats since 1996:
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=N02

Even more striking is the differences in campaign contributions from Pharmaceutical Manufacturing where the Dems have never come close to the Republicans in the past 14 years:
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?ind=H43...
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AKing Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 05:59 PM
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109. No Wonder! Tommy Chong was freed at last (July 7, 2004)
Still no sign of Osama though!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:21 PM
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117. Welcome to DU
:smoke:
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #109
126. Howdy AKing
thanks for that info. WELCOME :hi:
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:22 PM
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112. Reefer madness
I'm so sick of my government wasting so much money on a PLANT. :puke:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:23 PM
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118. Bush is the 'weed' in our garden.
Time to uproot it and plant something much better. :smoke:

Geaux Kerry!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:58 PM
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121. I thought Reagan won the war on drugs
n/t
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:29 PM
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132. Nice Chimpy McCokespoon...
Here you go, come get me for smoking........

white male, late 20's to mid 30's

Chevy S-10

Dallas Metroplex

with hydro...

have fun :)
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:39 PM
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133. Cars versus pot
Let's get real.

What is worse? What is the real threat? Automobiles, or pot?

I think we all know.

One is killing us all. One hasn't killed yet.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:19 PM
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138. The end of the T-2000 ....

This is just like the death throws of the T-2000. He's cycling through different modes trying to find something that will work.

Let's see ....

Mexican Amnesty
Tax Cuts
School Vouchers
Weapons of Mass Destruction
More Tax Cuts
French Bashing
Domestic Terrorists
Slavery
Axis of Evil
NEA Bashing
Gay Marriage
Expensive student testing
Mars
Drug company subisdies (by senior citizens)
Flag Burning
Guest Mexican Workers
High THC Marijauna


I think he'll just keep thrashing through these issues trying to hit on ANYTHING that will get his poll numbers back up.



Jeesh, the freepers were never concerned about high nicotine (high contaminant) cigarettes. Why all the attention now?????
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 08:37 AM
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142. "Super-strength marijuana" is a lie
I've been smoking for 15 years and have seen no change in quality, either in commercial-grade or high-grade indoor grown weed ("kind bud"). The latter may be becoming more readily available as Canada exports more, but it is no more powerful than it was 10 or 15 years ago.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 09:43 AM
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143. Fortified wine is a bigger problem - cheap, legal, easily available and
guaranteed to get you snockered in less than the time it takes to roll a maryjane joint. People who abuse it can't hold down a job, ruin their livers, destroy their families. So why isn't this a bigger priority than maryjane smoking and gay marriage?
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 09:48 AM
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144. I frequently buy high potency pot
And it's cloned from varieties that were bred in the early 1970s.

Doubled potency my ass.
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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 09:55 AM
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145. Very effective
So now if I'm a pot smoker, I consider it less of a dangerous step upwards to move on to heroin, since I'm already doing "super-strong" pot.
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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 10:43 AM
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147. I don't do drugs...
...but even I know that Pot is not going to bring about the end of the universe.

Personally, I have found that I cannot breath around the stuff, and since I rather enjoy breathing, I stay away from it. However I realize that when compared to other drugs in this world, pot is about as dangerous as a can of soda.

All it does is cause the user to take on all the character traits of Shaggy and Scooby-Doo. This is common knowledge. If the Bush Administration tries to tell people that pot will bring about the end of civilzation as we know it, everyone will see through it.

It's kind of like crying wolf. If a person is told that pot is very very dangerous, and then finds out that it isn't true, the person might begin to doubt everything he was told about drugs. When that person comes across a drug that really is dangerous, like Meth, of Crack, they won't beleive it's dangerous either, because they were lied to about pot.
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