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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:49 AM
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Top commanders in Iraq allowed dogs to be used
WASHINGTON U.S. military commanders in Iraq authorized the use of dogs for interrogations at the Abu Ghraib prison five months after Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld barred the practice for terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to classified military documents.

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, then the U.S. commander in Iraq, allowed dogs to be present during interrogations beginning Sept. 14, 2003. In an update of his order a month later, Sanchez allowed dogs to be used at the discretion of interrogators without his specific approval, according to classified documents obtained by USA TODAY. It was in the next two months that abuses at Abu Ghraib were documented, including use of dogs to terrify naked prisoners.

In April 2003, Rumsfeld had issued an order banning the use of dogs during interrogations at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a technique he had allowed there previously. But Rumsfeld's order applied only to Guantanamo, so commanders in Iraq were not told about the restriction.

As commander in a war zone, Sanchez had the authority to establish interrogation rules in Iraq without consulting Rumsfeld. Pentagon officials say they did not know that rules for Abu Ghraib differed from Rumsfeld's order for Guantanamo until photographs were leaked to the news media that showed naked Iraqi prisoners cowering before snarling dogs.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-07-19-iraq...


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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:51 AM
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1. this one made the U.S. press....
I'm shocked!
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:52 AM
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2. And Rush Thinks It Was Only Hazing!
Never Forget The Face Of American Fascism
'THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAPPENS AT THE SKULL & BONES INITIATION...I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING A GOOD TIME. THESE PEOPLE -- YOU EVER HEARD OF EMOTIONAL RELEASE? YOU EVER HEARD OF NEEDING TO BLOW SOME STEAM OFF?'
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:55 AM
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3. Okay...so this leaked, classified
document lets Rummy off the hook?

Very convenient.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:59 AM
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4. General Karpinski and others aren't backing off. Even Lynndie England's
defense has mentioned calling Rumsfeld to testify.

This is all good, the rallying point for the truth is our Constitution.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:32 PM
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8. I hate to let Rummy off the hook in any way, but any kind of
accountability would be helpful at this stage.

Of course, a real president would be taking responsibility for the atrocities that happened on his watch.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:11 AM
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5. I must admit -
Using dogs in interrogations would be a step up from the camera happy retards that they have BEEN using.....

See? It's not ALL bad news!!!!! ;^)
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:31 AM
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6. Oh Ricky.. You've got some 'splainin' to do..
It was so obvious that he was lying his arse off.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:14 PM
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7. where is Ricky lately......
Bastard.... :nuke:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:50 PM
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9. Is this why they used dogs to terrorize Muslims?:
Dogs and Islam and Prayer
By Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Posted: 13 Jamad-u-Thani 1423, 22 August 2002
snip-----
Sayyidna Abu Talha (Radhiyallaahu nhu) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu layhi Wasallam) said, "Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or an animate picture. (Sahih Bukhari Hadith no. 2986)

The saliva of a dog is Najis (impure). If it touches the clothes or body, that portion also becomes impure and must be washed. And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

http://www.albalagh.net/qa/dogs_islam_prayer.shtml

Animal Abuse and Welfare in Islam
by Dr. Ayoub M. Banderker (BVMCh),
veterinary surgeon
snip----
1. It is NOT haraam to own a dog, though it is not hygienic to keep a dog in the house.

2. It is NOT haraam to touch a dog or any other animal. If the saliva of a dog touches you or any part of your clothing, then it is required of you to wash the body part touched and the item of clothing touched by the dogs mouth or snout.

http://www.islamveg.com/dogs.asp
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:59 PM
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10. I was thinking about that
I think it was deliberate, not only as physical terror, but psychological terror as well. It has it's basis in a story that after Mohammed was buried, dogs dug him up. That's a good test of how moderate a Muslim is - some moderates have pet dogs. So, in these folks' minds, not only were they physically in danger, but they were morally in danger as well. How many non coms know about that?
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:01 PM
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11. Maybe that's a part of it..
but I suspect it was rather because a big dog's teeth flying at you is a fucking scary experience, no matter what one's cultural norms may be.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:05 AM
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12. kick
:kick:
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