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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:09 PM
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Dentist writing book about hijackers falls ill
A dentist who claims he met three of the Sept. 11 hijackers in Shreveport one year before the attacks has mysteriously fallen ill and is on life support.

Dr. David Graham was driving back to Shreveport from Houston on Saturday night when he became sick. A friend said Graham began suffering organ failure and medical tests show possible poisoning. He is hospitalized in Houston.

Graham is trying to publish a book that claims meetings with the hijackers and another Middle Eastern man who is a federal fugitive here.

http://www.ktbs.com/news-detail.html?cityid=1&hid=23956

All of you tinfoilers are going to eat this one up.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:11 PM
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1. mercury fillings claim another life!
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:11 PM
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2. I don't think you have to be a tinfoiler to think this strange.
The friend that has the manuscript should probably watch what he drinks.
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:13 PM
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5. Which begs the question
Which begs the question, are you a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:14 PM
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6. Why would it? If the guy was poisoned, is there not cause to consider
a crime?
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:16 PM
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8. Huh?
How did you come to the conclusion that his getting sick and the book are connected?

What if he ate at Arby's?
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:18 PM
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9. that's funny, she didn't say a word about the book. You did.
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:21 PM
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11. Wow
Wow. Big ideas there, thebigidea.

Here's the first post in the subthread: "I don't think you have to be a tinfoiler to think this strange. The friend that has the manuscript should probably watch what he drinks."

Try again.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:23 PM
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13. you responded to "nothingshocksmeanymore" - who said no such thing
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 07:23 PM by thebigidea
if you want your post to be read as a response to the first post in the subthread, you might want to actually reply to the first post in the subthread.

To continue your snide tone: pretty old hat, uh... oldhat. Ha. Ha. Ha. Sigh. Try again.
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:24 PM
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16. You're totally correct
Geez, how could I be so stupid to infer that the commenters in this subthread assume there's a connection?
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:28 PM
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25. Don't know, you might want ask someone with a more medical background
As I can't help you with your eyesight, I'll bow out of this charming little thread established with only the purest intentions. Enjoy.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:23 PM
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15. Did you read the story you posted?
Just curious.

:bounce:
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:25 PM
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19. Yes
Yes I did.

And Occam's Razor tells me that he probably ate KFC chicken heads rather than being poisoned.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:35 PM
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32. No Occam's Razor would never suggest you assume facts not in evidence
so you obviously need to go read that again too.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:25 PM
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20. Obviously not
are the words old and ass synonomous in this instance?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:24 PM
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17. Maybe from reading the article which says nothing about Arby's
Are you just making up shit like this and posting it to be antagonistic or is it an unconscious trait that comes naturally to you? Obviously since the article mentions federal authorities and the sensitive nature of what he is working on, the idea that someone tried to poison this guy is not an unreasonable suspicion.

Now for your theory...any evidence of a trip to Arby's or are you part of a conspiracy to discredit roast beef sandwiches?
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:26 PM
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22. actually, to get a response from him you should reply to me.
Or maybe you should reply to yourself, that might increase your chances of him actually addressing what you're posting.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:27 PM
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24. thanks asshat :-)
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:30 PM
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27. You got me on that one
Coke is everywhere!
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:40 PM
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35. It was too convenient
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:31 PM
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28. Hahaha
I said:

"What if he ate at Arby's?"

nothing instantly spots this fallacious example of facetcious question asking about roast beef sandwiches and shreds me for it:

"Maybe from reading the article which says nothing about Arby's"

Boo-yah!

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:36 PM
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33. That is theorizing....got tinfoil?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:55 PM
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40. Now, now,...don't back the poor guy into his own theorizing about stuff.
:bounce:

Ya' know what,...I've always wondered what distinguishes a "theory" about an event from a "conspiracy theory" about an event. Is it just a political thingy rather than a scientific or curious investigation into matter?

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:58 PM
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42. Well both are theories..only one term is used to discredit everything
where someone would rather cling to their beliefs instead of inquiring...many THEORIES turn out to be incorrect, but that is because when one scientifically evaluates something...they start out and do all they can to PROVE IT INCORRECT...but this person, much like those he demonizes, is out to prove himself CORRECT where he can't since he doesn't have enough facts to fill that hat.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:07 PM
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46. Yeah,...that's what I figured.
Science operates through a process of elimination. So, even when facts disprove a theory, every theory is valuable because it draws us a bit closer to the truth. Yes? :)

Sometimes, linguistics and rhetoric drive me crazy. But, I believe I am getting much better at "seeing" it for what it is,...utter, useless bullshit *LOL*.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:32 PM
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29. If he ate at Arby's and the FBI is involved
Then those were some mean roastbeef sandwiches.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:23 PM
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14. I think we all are to some degree
When a crime takes place, we wonder who conspired to do it. Usually the professional conspiracy theorists come back with information to either soldify what we've been thinking or somehow raise more questions.

This case has been turned over to the FBI, so obviously something out of the ordinary happened. I had never heard about this dentist before this story was posted and so I am keeping an open mind as to what may have taken place.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:12 PM
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3. How far along was the book? Where is the draft?
Are there copies? Hmmmmmmmmmm.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:25 PM
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21. A friend of his has a copy:
Mike Sledge, a friend of Graham, has a manuscript of Graham's book, "The Graham Report: The true story of three 9-11 hijackers who were reported to the FBI 10 months before 9-11." In it, Graham claims he met the hijackers at a home in Shreveport in September 2000 and thought they were plotting an attack on Barksdale Air Force Base. He said he reported them to the FBI.

"Certainly he was digging into some sensitive areas that may easily have caused some people some consternation," Sledge said.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:12 PM
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4. It must have been Scurvy
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:15 PM
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7. probably od'd on nitrous
if that is even possible ... ?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:19 PM
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10. What's with the goading ridicule?
If you don't think there's anything suspicious about his possible poisoning, why bother posting this?
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:22 PM
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12. It's fun.
It's fun to watch the "researchers" chase their tails.

Plus it's late breaking news so it's fair.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:25 PM
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18. Are you trying to be a jerk,...or is it just in your nature?
Just curious.

:bounce:
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:27 PM
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23. It's in my nature
It's in my nature to cap on the Berg Was Killed By the CIA or He Was Al Qaeda clique.

Just ignore me.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:29 PM
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26. what does that have to do with dentists?
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:34 PM
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31. The dentists
The dentist works for the CIA and the white chair that poisoned the dentist and then killed Berg who was actually simultaenously an al Qaeda member and a member of the Mossad because he is Jewish and that means that he works for the Israeli government and the Free Masons.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:34 PM
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30. "Just ignore me."
*Now* you're making sense.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:39 PM
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34. well the facts in Berg's case as they were reported do leave much to
imagination...we applaud your obstinate lack of curiosity.Hmmm..who else do we recall that is obstinately uncurious? :freak:
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:41 PM
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36. The chair?
The white chair that killed Berg because he was Jewish and therefore working for Mossad and the Zionist was obstinately uncurious?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:45 PM
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37. No again you assume things. BTW...bringing an argument that was faulty
into this thread is really digging a hole for yourself. This article clearly indicates the possibility of foul play, thereby negating your stunning lack of curiosity and even greater propensity for antagonism where you are clearly in the wrong on the bullshitometer.

Best to go work out your deepseated issues with those with whom you have an actual bone to pick.

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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:46 PM
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38. The chair
I have a bone to pick with that white chair.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:50 PM
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39. I don't know what you have a bone to pick with and as a lawyer, I don't
believe in givng advice for free. If you want my professional analysis of your issues and why you behave as you do on this thread throwing out innuendo at everyone for something that has nothing to do with the subject at hand, mail me a check and I'll be glad to tell you what your bones are all about.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:59 PM
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43. Sure seems to be alot of JDs on here. I got mine in '91 *smile*. n/t
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:04 PM
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44. 83
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lucky777 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:41 PM
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51. '88 . . . and I'm a law professor now
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:56 PM
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41. I'll take your advice. Thank you. *smile* n/t
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:07 PM
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45. How about the "Berg was killed by Zarqawi" clique?
Gomers who believe that kind of shit really crack me up!
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R Hickey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:19 PM
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47. Ricine may replace small plane crashes as Bush's method of murder
Ricine is my guess of what poisoned the dentist.

Get ready for a lot more ricine in the news. Ricine is the poison that comes from the castor bean.

Special high potency castor beans are being grown in Texas in a semi-secret government project. Maybe Bush and Rove are planning a mass ricine poisoning at the Democratic National Convention. Then they'd blame it on terrorists and declare martial law.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:26 PM
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49. Texas just seems like a really weird state, to me *LOL*.
The weirdest crap happens there.

Didn't some TX woman kill her husband with ricin fairly recently?

My understanding is that it isn't too difficult to make the toxic substance. With the radical "domestic terrorists" running around this country (especially the extreme right-wingers and fundamentalists), it's very concerning to me that there would be some kind of government project exploring that substance.

Geez,...we have 23X the rate of domestic terrorism over international terrorism,...and we are waging multiple wars and occupations in other countries,...when ours is in great need of correction/help/healing.
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