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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:59 AM
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Bush Would Carry Indiana In 2004
Edited on Tue May-25-04 01:05 AM by Robbien
(CPOD) May 25, 2004 George W. Bush would win the state of Indiana in the 2004 United States presidential election, according to a poll by the Indianapolis Star and WTHR-TV. 54 per cent of respondents would vote for the Republican incumbent, a 21 per cent lead over prospective Democratic nominee John Kerry.

http://www.cpod.ubc.ca/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewI...


aw come on my hoosier neighors. Noooo.

edited 'cause the link was overlooked.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:01 AM
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1. Does Indiana have electronic
voting?
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:13 AM
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6. yes, just this year
grrr
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:05 AM
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2. I read a newspaper story today
It said Indiana hasn't voted Dem in a presidential race since '64. And you people cuss Alabama ('76). :P
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:05 AM
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3. The last Dem to win Indiana
was FDR.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:27 AM
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10. LBJ, actually...

...in 1964.

Indiana voted against FDR in '40 and '44.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:33 AM
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16. You must have read that out of an Indiana newspaper, huh?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:06 AM
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4. This is the second one of these weird polls I have seen today
the other one was South Dakota I think. Both show some huge lead for bush, in total conflict with the normal polls and common sense. I don't think it's a coincidence.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:12 AM
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5. This is not surprising to me.
The Dems could get the entire midwest but they still will not carry that state. It is not major anyway, I would expect bush to win there. Illinois is ours. Michigan and wisconson are most likely ours. Missouri and Ohio are fair game for us.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:17 AM
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7. Good
If that discourages talk of putting Evan Bayh on the ticket, this poll is a very good thing. No Democrat has won there since LBJ and FDR lost it twice too. It's a Republican state in presidential politics.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:24 AM
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9. These States Are Fed By the Blue States
The urbanites basically subsidize the rural communities. Income redistribution Bush style. Bayh, in my opinion should join Miller, and get the hell out of the democrat party. His father would be ashamed of him.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:13 AM
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17. not Indiana
in a recent NYTimes article which showed the distribution of federal funds, Indiana was one of the few states which was "even" -- as in the amount of money paid and the amount of money taken.

I do not understand why Indiana would vote for Bush, considering the job losses in manufacturing.

But then again, I don't understand a lot of things about Indiana, and am a transplant and wish I could move. The only consolation is that I live in one of the few very liberal places in Indiana.

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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:23 AM
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8. Home of the KKK, derrrrrrrrrr
We should give them Indiana and move on.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:37 AM
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12. Sorry, I was mistaken, Indiana is not the home of the KKK
It was not started there and I apologoze for saying so, however:

Examples of non-Southern states that have had a great deal of involvement with the KKK are Indiana and Colorado. According to Rhomberg, the Klan were frequently more successful where native white Protestants were a majority (1). This was especially true for Indiana. Indiana is a landlocked state and was not one of the major destinations of immigrants coming to the United States. Indiana was predominantly Southern-populated, and in the 1920s there were very few Catholics, Jews, blacks, or immigrants (Wade 218). However, despite the fact that there was not a large Catholic population, Indiana was extremely anti-Catholic. This strongly felt sentiment stemmed from many of the examples listed previously: the fact that many immigrants are Catholic, the belief that Catholics were unpatriotic and un-American, and absurdly enough the quiet fear that the Pope had some secret plan to take over the state of Indiana and convert everybody to Catholicism. This hatred and fear was all that people needed, and with a persuasive and charming Klan leader and a strong recruitment policy, the KKK in Indiana grew enormously. By the end of 1923, Klan members accounted for ten percent of the population (Wade 218).

http://www.night-writer.net/Academics/kkk.html

I apologize for my prior post, especially to all you Hoosiers.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 02:15 AM
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15. The Grand Dragon of the KKK used to cruise...
... Indianapolis in the `60s in a white Cadillac with the Klan emblem painted on the door.

When I was there in 1967-8, it was the only city in the country with a 57% black population and a white mayor and an all-white city council.

That may be subdued and under the surface now, but racism and segregation was a de facto reality in Indianapolis then. I suspect that, in later years, that and religious fundamentalism have cemented a belief in the average Indianan in the "smaller government, less government, states' rights" meme that is just current-day code for racism. Just track the changes over time by the differences between Birch Bayh and Evan Bayh.



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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:25 AM
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20. Interestingly - today Rep. Julia Carson is the only member of the
Black Congressional Caucus to be elected from a majority white congressional district.

We are a state of contradictions.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:18 AM
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18. Indiana was also the birthplace of Vonnegut and Eugene Debs
which just goes to show you that the remarks on this thread indicate people's prejudices as much as anything else.

I dare any state to show that it has not engaged in some form of organized horror against African-Americans or Native Americans or women...

I mean, look at "wonderful" California, that elects not one, but two idiotic movie stars as governors...and look what the first one gave us...Iran/Contra. The current one has a few family skeletons wearing swastikas, if I'm not mistaken.
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Tom Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:39 AM
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13. Remember that #1 song from 1970?
"Indiana Wants Me...Lord I Can't Go Back There" by R. Dean Taylor?
I could go on throwing stones but I choose not to because I live in a glass house (Oregon)...we had a governor in the 20s who was a KKK member...of course this was before I was born!

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Lou_C Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:34 AM
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11. They must have allot of die-bold machines
:shrug:
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:58 AM
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14. What a surprise!
Duh!

Did anyone here think Kerry would take Indiana?

About as much chance as taking Utah.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:23 AM
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19. That's okay...
...it's not considered a swing state (since it votes repug in every other Presidential election).

They should listen to fellow hoosier, Dave Letterman...
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:38 AM
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21. Isn't Senator Evan Bayh on the list of V.P. candidates? n/t
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kori Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:52 AM
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22. What A Surprise
I grew up in rural Indiana, a lone Catholic boy in a small town. In the 1960 election John Kennedy received three votes in our precinct. My Mom, My Dad, and an obvious mistake.

The real number to look at in this survey is not that Bush would win but that he has only 54%.

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Bozvotros Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:05 AM
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24. I absolutely agree
For Bush to have just over half of Indiana voters saying they will voter for him is very telling. I think many of those undecideds are going Kerry's way. It will be much closer than that.

I am loudly proudly liberal in NE Indiana, not far from the Dane Quayle Memoriale Museume and in my conversations with former true believers see the support for Bush getting squishier and squirmier day by day. People are NOT liking what they are seeing and can offer no real defense of it.
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sleepyhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:18 AM
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25. hahahahaha!
Dane Quayle Memoriale Museume. I will be giggling all morning!
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kori Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:28 AM
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26. I just came back from Indy
I agree the Bush "support" is squeamish at best. These are rabid repubs that I was fishing with and visiting with. I have never heard softer "support". Not even during the worst of Watergate was Nixon's support so weak. Hell he could have had asylum in Indiana if he needed it.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:54 AM
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23. Indiana would vote for Pol Pot if he ran as a ReTHUGlican...
This isn't "News"...I can't remember the last time Indiana voted Democratic for Prez.

Makes me wonder why Karl sent "Mah Ma-yun Mitch" home to run for Govenator. The state's a lock for Bush. I don't think being caught with his dick in Condi's mouth could even shake that.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 11:50 AM
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27. Jeez, have you folks been to Indiana?
Of course Chimp is going to carry Indiana.
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