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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:24 PM
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Death of Prisoner Detailed in Testimony
WASHINGTON — When CIA (news - web sites) officers took the Iraqi detainee to Abu Ghraib prison, his head was covered with an empty sandbag and Army guards were ordered to take him directly to a shower room that served as a makeshift interrogation center at the overcrowded, shell-damaged facility outside Baghdad.

An hour later, during intensive questioning by intelligence officers, the prisoner collapsed and died. Only then did interrogators remove the hood to reveal severe head wounds that had not been treated.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/latimests/deathofprisonerdetailedintestimony

My country is committing war crimes, I'm so fucking ashamed and angry.

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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:32 PM
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1. with all the comparisons
between bush and hitler did you really think we were gonna be the good guys?

I am ashamed and angry, too. But what insults and frightens me more is the justification and acceptance of such behavior by our leaders.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:35 PM
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2. and RW radio and TV and callers
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:41 PM
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3. Is this a preview of
what they'd do to us? Sick and scary!
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:49 PM
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4. Just remember that 2 of them who willingly participated in this sordid,
inhumane "thought it was funny" shit are reproducing. Okay we know England is, but I guess the paternal side could be in question.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:49 PM
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5. Does anyone know his identity & how he came to being arrested?
Do you think his family can relate to Nick Berg's?


Sick sick sick...I'm so ashamed at what this fascist administration has done to the goodness that used to be tied to iur Nation...
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:54 PM
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6. Prisoner? England and Grander = sickos
From the article:

<< The dead prisoner, whose identity has not been made public, would become famous around the world through a photograph of a body wrapped in plastic sheeting and packed in ice — among the most indelible images yet made public in the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal. >>

and I see this too ...

<< As have other defendants, England described Graner and Staff Sgt. Ivan L. "Chip" Frederick II as the leaders of the guard unit, and she said Davis was close behind.

Davis "was the intimidator," she said. "Very big. He would push them around or into walls. He also stepped on their toes. He would help with rowdy detainees.

"Personnel from MI and OGA would tell us to keep it up, that we were doing a good job," she said. "I was just told we were doing a good job."
>>

Doing a good job alright. These people sound like sadists to me. They make the Manson family look sweet!


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:03 PM
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7. I don't see why people are getting so excited about this stuff.
It's--you know, just like college pranks, a few troops letting off some steam.

Hey, what about that Kerry girl's boobs? Wow, now THAT's something DISGRACEFUL!
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:07 PM
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8. Welcome to hell, American style
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"He wasn't dead at first," Spc. Jason A. Kenner said of the unidentified detainee, adding that guards were told not to remove the prisoner's hood when they took him to the shower room.


"We didn't know how much he was injured. He went into the showers for interrogation, and about an hour later he died on them. I was sent to find out what was going on. Later that day, they decided to put him on ice….


"After he passed, the sandbag was removed and I saw that he was severely beaten on his face," Kenner testified. "At the time, they would interrogate people in the shower rooms. He was shackled to the wall…. The shower room was just used because there was no other space available."

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skjpm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 06:29 PM
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9. But they didn't actually cut off his head
so it doesn't count, they're not animals.
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