Egyptians decry 'gay' U.S. abusers in Iraq

[gayrebel83]

I don't think America's own Religious Right could have done any better!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=101&e=4&u=/po/20040517/co_po/egyptiansdecrygayusabusersiniraq

[Doug Decker]

1. Great, just what we need...

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Just Me]

22. Diversive bullsh*t,...in my humble opinion. BAH!!! n/t

[yardwork]

2. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.

The last thing the torturing PsyOp creeps intended was to be accused of homosexuality. It's probably freaking the bigots out right now.

When this story first broke somebody here had a great comment. I wish I could remember who it was to give due credit. They said that the Justice Dept WOULD care about this because the one thing that upsets Ashcroft is nudity.

[progressivebydesign]

3. I guess sodomizing the prisoners could be mistaken for homosexuality..

.. when in fact it's just rape, a violent act.. not sexual.

[wtmusic]

8. Rape isn't sexual?

OK, suuurrrre. :eyes:

[gayrebel83]

11. Rape may be sexual in nature,

but it is not about sex. Rape is about exerting power over the victim.

[tom_paine]

14. Yeah but many Bushevik Homo-Haters are Suppressed homsexuals

themselves.

As such, it is not entirely surprising that the first thing they and their Masters would want to do "to humiliate Iraqis" would "coincidentally" be those acts which they desire to do but cannot.

[wtmusic]

17. So rape has nothing to do with sexual satisfaction for the attacker, huh?

Where did you come up with that definition?

[jdj]

23. Interestingly enough, one of the coping mechanisms

infant monkeys developed (during some hideous experiments in the sixties) to cope with the loss of their mother was frequent compulsive masturbation. Rape is probably a coping mechanism, albeit a sick and twisted and severely destructive one.

Theoretically people fuse sex and violence together psychologically to commit rape. Their sexual response is fused to a need to dominate and terrorize their victims. Otherwise they would not rape. Street hookers are relatively cheap. In the (true) story of Christiane F, German child prostitute and heroin addict, she was paid to pelt a man with grapefruits while he was tied up until he ejaculated. He was apparently beaten as a child and was a severe stutterer, and got his sexual response tied to violence.

Just as pedophilia is sexuality tied to something else,so is rape.
Without these elements, it's just sex.

I don't understand why someone would be so put off by the assertion that rape is about violence, because it's self-explanatory that without the violence and domination, it is sex. You could bring up B/D or S&M but in these scenarios it is the masochist or bottom who has control and who sets the limits on what will occur, which is not true in rape ( or in Abu Graib)

[wtmusic]

27. It is violent for the attacked

but it's not a requirement for the attacker. Violence is truly irrelevant--if one party is unwilling it's rape.

[FlemingsGhost]

13. No, it most certainly is not.

Rape is a violent assault.

(edited for clarity)

[wtmusic]

16. Then you disagree with the dictionary

what can I say?

[last1standing]

28. They may disagree with the dictionary...

but they are completely in line with modern psychology. Rape is an act of aggression usually used by those with some massive insecurity issue that drives them to violent acts. The sexual nature of the act is merely peripheral to the act of domination. In fact many rapist who have been castrated have gone on to rape again. They get no sexual pleasure as we would know it from the rape, but the dominance is the only release they can find. Sadly, it is too common in repressive societies such as this.

[wtmusic]

29. 'They get no sexual pleasure as we would know it?'

I would love to see some support on that opinion but I know there is none. I suppose that's why rapists are often identified by DNA in their semen? Must be very painful for the attacker to force that stuff out...

This is really, really silly. To accuse the GIs of being gay is one thing. To redefine rape is another.

[NickB79]

31. He specified castrated rapists

Since men who are chemically castrated after committing previous rapes can rarely even achieve erection, I doubt there was much semen in those cases. They use foreign objects or fingers to rape, so they derive no physical orgasm from it, yet they continue to do so.

[wtmusic]

34. Well unless the soldiers at Abu Ghraib were castrated

that study would be irrelevant.

Do we know that there weren't any orgasms achieved at Abu Ghraib? So what if the soldiers were gay? Is it possible they were gay and abusive too?

This thread misses the whole point of the demonstrations. The Arabs are calling the soldiers 'gay' in an attempt to humiliate them, the same way the inmates were humiliated.

[bobbieinok]

32. as I understand it , the psychological view of rape in the last 20-30

years is that it is first and primarily a matter of control/dominance/power/violence and only secondarily a matter of sexual desire/release

[Frances]

4. It's ironic that Clinton was impeached for consensual sex

when Bush is getting a free ride for massive sexual abuse

[belle]

7. Irony upon irony, isn't it...

[Trajan]

5. Chuckles ....

Poor George .... some 'ragheads' are calling him gay ....

Who'd have thought ?? ....

[kskiska]

6. America's own Religious Right couldn't have done any better?

Take a look at this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1135857/posts

(snip)

But with all the coverage of the Iraqi abuses, how come no one is asking the obvious question? Were the Iraqi abusers homosexuals, who got into the service under "dont ask, don't tell"? What normal redblooded American male can ever get pleasure out of seeing a swarthy, hairy, Iraqi man masturbate infront of him?

Make no mistake about it. There was a homosexual agenda at work in the abuses. This was about a group of homosexual perverts, wanting to re-enact their favorite porn video fantasies on those hapless Iraqi men. There must me some folks into S&M, who saw this as a golden opportunity, to enact their sexual domination fantasies. Iraqis, as a culture, are more macho than we are, and this treatment was truly humiliating and degrading to them, to an extent that most of us cannot even begin to imagine.

(snip)

[yardwork]

9. Since Rumsfeld approved these techniques, doesn't that make

Rummy a homosexual, according to freeper logic?

Sounds that way to me.

[tom_paine]

15. Actually, I'll bet Rummy IS a Closeted Homsexual

So many Busheviks are...

http://uk.fc.yahoo.com/040502/46/eska4.html

One wonders, who is looking at Affleck, a Liberal, with more teenaged-girl-fan-lust. You can see it clearly on Joyce's face (bet she wonders why Rummy always want to work late with "the Boys" and how come she can't get no lovin'?) but it's also there on Rummy.

It is especvially odd considering Affleck is a Liberal, that Rummy would give him such a dreamy, watery-eyed look.

Usually, Rummy would be mentally picking out a dog cage in Gitmo, when being forced to mingle with an Enemy of the State.

In that picture, all Rummy looks like he wants is a little slap & tickle.

[Scairp]

18. You need to use spellcheck

This is the second time you've dropped the second "o" in "homOsexual".

[mike1963]

26. TP tipples a bit.

:evilgrin:

[Mz Pip]

10. Ah, that old homosexual

agenda again.

I suspect the writer of this was just one of those redblooded American males who got some pleasure from the humiliation of the Iraqi prisoners.Denial ain't just a river...

MzPip
:dem:

[mike1963]

12. And that explains Lynndie England I suppose?

fucking ignorant moran freeper bastards...

:grr:

[Scairp]

19. Weren't she and Graner screwing each other?

Does that make him bi? I do think that forcing a man (or a woman for that matter) to masturbate themselves in front of others, including women, is very close to rape. I also don't understand why these women who where involved would even stick around with the prisoners being naked. I would have never even entered the room with a bunch of naked guys being forced to jerk off. But I guess I have a sense of decency and they don't.

[jdj]

20. No, this is good,

The army will SO not appreciate this.

They will expect that the higher ups come forward and say that the grunts were instructed in these "interrogation" methods. Bush et al have left the soldiers holding the bag.

It's a lose/ lose situation for Bush, and I hope the freepers keep saying that the whole army is gay.

I was in a museum the other day and they had a spinning wheel and they said that people used to spin yarn on it until it made a popping sound when the yarn was the right length, hence the phrase "pop goes the weasel". Well these folks have spun a little too long and hard and I think the weasel just went POP!

[Sterling]

21. I agree let them reap the fag bashing they earned.

The Army is full of homophobes and repressed homosexuals. I suspect that is also common among the right wing in general. The worse thing you could do to these people is infer they are gay.

Yes the irony is think like a nice milkshake.

[jdj]

24. I was more talking about the source of the criticism.

I think that so-called real conservatives are getting sick of being seduced and then abandoned (and sometimes actually ruined) by the neo-cons and neo-nazis. There sure isn't any sense of all for one and one for all on the right.

To defend against the charges of homosexuality, the army is going to want the Pentagon to admit that the CACI people "influenced" or coerced the soldiers to do these acts. And Rummy et al, won't do that because they are CYAing this whole thing.

So the it's lose/lose. Either Rummy comes clean and quits, which he won't, or here's one more thing to get the military pissed at this admin. After all, aren't they the ones who "support our troops"?

[Barkley]

36. Yeah, and lets blame 9-11 on gays too ... n/t

[Lou_C]

25. Didn't one of the guys have a skirt and heels on in the picture?

I think that they are gay bashers and it's going to hit * and company real bad on this issue.

[vajraroshana]

30. I love this quote

" 'Much of the discourse that's been going on in Egypt is that homosexuality is an import from the West, and here you have Western imperialists, the occupiers in Iraq, using homosexuality this way,' said Scott Long, director of the LGBT Rights Project at Human Rights Watch."

Well this is practically as old as humanity. Romans called homosex, the "Oriental vice". Some theologians argue that the Leviticus codes prohibiting homosex are really admonitions against what is perceived as "outsider" behaviour. Even in the Buddhist scripture the Digha Nikaya, there's an ominous warning about future degenerate times when people will practice "mleccha dhamma", a euphemism for homosex ("mleccha" in this context meaning "foreigner, barbarian" and "dhamma" here meaning "activity, viewpoint"). In other words, it's always something that outsiders engage in, rather than something native. Most modern people are aware that homosexuality is naturally occuring in all cultures, but some cultures are still in the grips of primitive psychology.

The point is, the use of homosexual humiliation is a (imho) premeditated venture into the deep fears of Arab culture. In other words it doesn't seem to be random but an intentional manipulation of this cultures' phobias for psy-op/interrogation. And I think there's slim chance that these "guards" just somehow knew _the_ thing that would freak the prisoners out the most. Slim to none.

[bobbieinok]

33. I think Hersh's latest New Yorker article spells out that neocons read

some culture stuff about Muslim males and decided nudity and homosexual stuff would freak out the Muslims and make them vulnerable to blackmail so they would be informants.

[riverwalker]

35. New Tele Tubby

Tinky Winky (the purple one with the purse) and his tools of torture. Gonna send one to Rumsfeld, Cheney, Doug Feith, and Paul Wolfowitz....who incidently is recently divorced...hmmmmm.....hmmmm.
Hey Paul!! Did the old lady find your stash of sadistic porn and snuff pics?