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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:34 PM
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US denies Rumsfeld approved Iraq interrogation methods
Edited on Sat May-15-04 11:35 PM by JoFerret
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a...


U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld didn't approve any operations that led to the interrogation methods used on Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison, the Defense Department said.

The denial was made in response to an article on the New Yorker magazine Web site, which said Rumsfeld had approved expanding an interrogation program, which had been used in Afghanistan to hunt for al-Qaeda.

Rumsfeld faced calls for his resignation from Democrats in the Congress after the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison exposed in a series of pictures. Rumsfeld and U.S. military investigators have said the mistreatment was the work of a few undisciplined soldiers.

``No responsible official of the Department of Defense approved any program that could conceivably have been intended to result in such abuses as witnessed in the recent photos and videos,'' spokesman Lawrence DiRita said in a statement on the defense department's Web Site.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:37 PM
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1. So the problem is...
...according to Rumsferatu, that they "didn't follow orders correctly". In their enthusiasm, or perhaps due to their anger of having two weekends a year turn to a year+ deployment, they stepped outside the bounds of his instructions for "expanded interrogations".

Yo Rumsfeld, you are so full of shit, and so completely busted. Look at the legalese wording of their denial...
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:41 PM
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3. That's what I thought too. He is saying that they did it but no one
expected the outcome. What a pants load, Rumsfailed.
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mourningdove92 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:40 PM
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2. I agree, Rumsfeld is sooooo


:nopity:
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:43 PM
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4. "No responsible official in the Department of Defense......"
There, they finally admitted it. These guys are totally irresponsible, and reprehensible. They answer to no one.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:01 AM
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7. doublespeak to the Nth degree
No responsible official of the Department of Defense approved any program that could conceivably have been intended to result in such abuses as witnessed in the recent photos and videos,'' spokesman Lawrence DiRita said in a statement on the defense department's Web Site ibid
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:01 PM
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26. They don't deny the program exists...
just that they didn't think it would be "witnessed". Geez, they can't even doublespeak well anymore!
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:51 PM
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5. LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR!
They lie and then they lie some more!
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:01 AM
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6. Rum is Numb in the fucking head if he expects any one to..
believe that bushit
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:05 AM
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8. O yeah
that believable ....Not


According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization--the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)"--will carry out secret missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to "counterattack" by U.S. forces.

In other words--and let's say this plainly, clearly and soberly, so that no one can mistake the intention of Rumsfeld's plan--the United States government is planning to use "cover and deception" and secret military operations to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people. Let's say it again: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the other members of the unelected regime in Washington plan to deliberately foment the murder of innocent people--your family, your friends, your lovers, you--in order to further their geopolitical ambitions.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:48 PM
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25. Rummy's working off of bin Laden's plan
    According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization--the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)"--will carry out secret missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to "counterattack" by U.S. forces.


Ummm... Rummy's working off of bin Laden's plan, then.

This is exactly what bin Laden's strategy is. Draw the US into ever-broader acts of violence within the Arab world, and then portray any such actions as anti-Muslim.

And it's obvious that the US, under Bush's leadership, is playing the part of bin Laden's bitch -- doing exactly as he desires.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:23 PM
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28. I'm trying to remember where I had read that 'cause it stuck with me.
And, everytime something is published which seems at all suspicious,...it is due to that Rummy Rule of provoking reactions from others. Frankly, I also believe that the neocons use this provocation process upon the American people as well.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:05 AM
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9. The New Yorker vs. the DOD
TNY is not regarded as being shoddy with its sources. Could be a showdown on this one--with Rumsfeld being the casualty
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:08 AM
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16. We can only hope
Edited on Sun May-16-04 08:11 AM by JoFerret
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:48 AM
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18. "World War Three will be a guerilla information war,
with no division between military and civilian participation." -- Marshall McLuhan

Appears that McLuhan nailed it.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:06 AM
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10. CAUGHT.
I have NEVER, in my life, seen such a BRAZEN, cock-sure, arrogant, aggressive liar like Donald Rumsfeld. Thank God there's only one of him.

The Yahoo article also mentions that this whole project was approved by Bush, and Consleeza Rice.

HAH.
HAH.
HHAH.
GOTCHA.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:18 AM
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12. The plot
sickens. :grr:



Good one cliss! :hi:
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CharlesGroce Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:16 AM
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11. not this U.S. citizen!
Rumsfeld and the rest of the administration must have forgottten that they are to represent ME in this democracy, I mean, ask Thomas Jefferson whom they are to represent!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:27 AM
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13. No surprise here
I don't expect that all of a sudden they will change and start telling the truth and admitting all the shit. I who somehow be disappointed if I were to wake up one day to the sounds of mea culpa
from the direction of Washington. Never going to happen.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:39 AM
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14. But I bet what they approved was not supposed to be witnessed in the
recent photos and videos. Probably other types (not less horrible) which have not appeared in photos and videos.
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 06:09 AM
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15. Half thruth.
I doubt Rumsfeld would have explicitly approved anal rape as interrogation method. BUT there are are other methods of systematic torture and degradation he has allowed. IMO, both the "rotten apple" and the "systemic torture" are true. Torture is part of the interrogation system, and nobody seemingly felt responsible to stop people who were encouraged by this break of humanitarian rules and just continued with it for their own pleasure.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:49 AM
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19. ``No responsible official ..." still doesn't clear him
I don't think you can characterize Rummy as being a "reposnible official"
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:39 AM
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17. I found the Chirac's comment very funny last week
"We hope Rumsfeld is not the new America"
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:02 PM
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27. I missed that one the first time. Yep, it's a good one! So do we. n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:20 AM
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20. of course, they would deny it.....
No one would expect them to admit it.....but the facts say something different.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:23 AM
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21. so
it must be true.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:10 AM
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22. condi approved of it and bush knew
<<The program got approval from President Bush (news - web sites)'s national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites), and Bush was informed of its existence, the officials told Hersh.>>

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&nci...
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:26 AM
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23. This is getting good..nt
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:44 PM
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29. this is a circular argument, all pointing to Hersh's article
and Hersh isn't naming names nor does he have documentation that I have seen so far. Am I missing something?

This is not directed at you specifically maddez just you had the link in your post

I would love to see a "smoking gun" memo or anything that points straight at Rummy or the WH
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:52 AM
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24. Check this out
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 05:21 PM
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30. Doesn't this sound like liar, liar, pants on fire?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 05:30 PM
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31. "If we had known they would use chemical lights bananas & dogs
we would have tried to stop them."

I guess since nobody told them in those exact words not to do that, then they were not responsible.

Sorta like needing the flight number and times before stopping the highjackers. Or never saying "imminent"
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 05:33 PM
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32. Go Here: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,121797
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