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carols Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:25 PM
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Rumsfeld's secret OK led to Abu Ghraib interrogations: report
US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved a secret program that encouraged interrogation methods used at Abu Ghraib prison, where Iraqi prisoners were abused, it was reported.

Rumsfeld had approved "a highly secret operation" last year, which "encouraged physical coercion and the sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq," New Yorker magazine investigative reporter Seymour Hersh wrote, citing current and former intelligence officials.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/2004...
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:29 PM
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1. There's the link we've been waitirng for
Thanks once again, Sy Hersh.

And Rumsfeld, Myers, Cambone: pack your stuff, you're gone.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:34 PM
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4. Bullet proof
Rumsfeld cannot be fired or impeached. He knows this.
He has stated that he is "reponsible" and yet the Pres.
states publicly that Rumsfeld has done a superb job. Congress will
not dare impeach him. Bushco is a teflon coated NeoFascist Regime.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:37 PM
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7. Actually I think this belief on his and Bush*'s part is going to be their
undoing. Bush*'s backing him up BEFORE THIS ARTICLE BY HERSH is going to be a killer.
Now I understand how Hersh's mind works. He is releasing the information but first he lets them hang themselves with their own rope. He is just great.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:44 PM
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13. You are right on the money
If Bush were to drop Rummy, he'd save face. But he's too stupid and arrogant to do it, so this is one more nail in his coffin. I hate like hell that those poor people in Iraq had to endure the torture, but this may save our country, and ultimately, many more people around the world.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:42 PM
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12. don't forget MG Geoffrey Miller...
he is the one who "Gitmoized" Iraq detention facilities at the request of rummy dum dum!
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:31 PM
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2. New Yorker
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:39 PM
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9. Oh...this is good
Thanks for the link. I'm only about 1/3 through the article, but this is good stuff.
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floda Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:33 PM
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3. It's also in the NY times...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/16/international/middlee...

INTERROGATIONS
Rumsfeld and Aide Backed Harsh Tactics, Article Says
By DAVID JOHNSTON

Published: May 16, 2004


ASHINGTON, May 15 Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and one of his top aides authorized the expansion of a secret program that permitted harsh interrogations of detained members of Al Qaeda to be used against prisoners in Iraq, including detainees at the infamous Abu Ghraib prison, according to an article in The New Yorker Magazine.

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The article, by Seymour M. Hersh, reports that Mr. Rumsfeld and Stephen Cambone, the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, approved the use of the tougher interrogation techniques in Iraq in 2003 in an effort to extract better information from Iraqi prisoners to counter the growing insurgency threat in the country.

Across the Bush administration, officials on Saturday disputed several of the critical details in Mr. Hersh's article. They said that there was no high-level decision or command that they were aware of to use highly coercive interrogation techniques on Iraqi prisoners.

Mr. Rumsfeld, who has apologized for the abuses, has said that the prison abuses were conducted by lower-level military forces without the approval of senior commanders.


more...

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carols Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:36 PM
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5. The good thing is that AP wire service exposure guarantees
that it will be read, not just by those of us with access to better news stories, but by Mom and Pop at home in Mayberry. And for once, they didn't soft sell the headline...
Carol
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The Political Eye Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:37 PM
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6. Bush: Damaged if it Does, Damaged if He Doesn't
Bush will be left with the options of either firing both Rumsfeld and Meyers, or standing behind both and having to defend the indefensible.

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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:38 PM
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8. There is a link in GD that has a lot of the discussion about
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:41 PM
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10. Bingo!
Bless Seymour Hersh!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:41 PM
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11. So this means Rummy and Cambone both
Edited on Sat May-15-04 05:43 PM by ewagner
lied to Congress.

But remember Woodward's interview with Dubya in his latest book? Remember that they said Rumsfeld doesn't leave fingerprints...

In other words, find something in writing....from Rummy....just try...and...if they do...it will be backed up by a Presidential finding that approves it but can't be released for national security reasons.........

on edit: I think this thread has some connections to it

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:44 PM
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14. Vote a '5' on this story! - You can see the sickness in Bush's eyes. He
Edited on Sat May-15-04 05:48 PM by dArKeR
authorized this and what they're doing is called, 'Shield the pResident' or
'Protect the pResident' or 'Fall on your sword'.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:45 PM
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15. Oooh. This looks like a big one! n/t
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:46 PM
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16. No wonder they tried so hard to pin it on "these 6 soldiers"
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:49 PM
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17. Similar Story
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:51 PM
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18. duplicate
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