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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:32 AM
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"Bush aims to avoid father's mistakes"
Thanks to the Washington Times, here's the election message and program of the Bushies:

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040510-122703-4851r.htm


"President Bush is resolved not to repeat what he thinks were the two fundamental blunders of his father's one-term presidency: abandoning Iraq and failing to vanquish the Democrats.

"In one of several exclusive interviews with The Washington Times, Mr. Bush said his father had 'cut and run early' from Iraq in 1991.

"Mr. Bush also said Sen. John Kerry would 'regret' disparaging the U.S.-led coalition that liberated Iraq, promising to use the Massachusetts Democrat's words against him in the election campaign.

"The president, while acknowledging that 'the rebuilding of Iraq is a difficult period,' is optimistic about nurturing a democratic government there."

Much, much more. These guys are way too confident that they're going to win.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:38 AM
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1. .........by simply NOT admitting he's made any. This is easily
accomplished by avoiding reality.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:39 AM
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4. Hey, can I do that too??

I mean ignoring reality may be the way to go!!!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:56 AM
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27. Haven't you heard?
Times are great! :party:
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:38 AM
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2. Too confident. May it be their downfall.
Edited on Mon May-10-04 05:39 AM by JaySherman
He's truly delusional if he thinks he can win with this strategery. The economy was what did his father in, not failing to finish the Dems or pulling out of Iraq. In retrospect, it looks like Poppy new what he was doing by calling it off when he.

And does Junior really think he can continue to hide the economy? Or the concentration camps in Iraq?

He really is out of his mind.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:08 AM
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21. The linked article has some incredible stuff in it...
After reading the article (as much as I could, calmly).

If this is the mentality that is running our country; What was anyone thinking when they gave him the presidency?

The linked article should be copied, laminated and made part of a Kerry's campaign packet issued along the way on the campaign trail.

Like I said: "The Patients have taken over the asylum!"


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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:39 AM
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3. Still obsessed with outdoing Poppy...

....George, your father was no great prize, but at least he wasn't an ignorant dickhead. You'll be doing good if you come out of this half as good as your father did - and I'm not holding my breath.

PS. Don't try to correct anything else, ok?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:46 AM
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6. Lemme get this right, he screws up America with poor leadership and
he wants to continue?

Gimme a break
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:56 AM
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7. ...well...most of the time spent in Crawford is enjoyable..

...I mean it's only the non-vacation times that are a little bothersome. Admit it...if you had a job that you could vacation from for 40% of the time, it would be hard to walk away.
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:11 AM
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9. I'm really starting to believe he is truly a puppet.
Edited on Mon May-10-04 06:13 AM by JaySherman
That Cheney and the neocons are propping him up, possibly even against his will. It would explain why looks so drugged up, and like he's been hitting the bottle again. He very well may even believe his own bullshit, even if the rest of those around him don't. It's obvious he has completely lost what little connection with reality he may ever have had. Could also be the reason for the 'free speech zones.' They don't want him to see what people really think of him. Not that that makes me feel any amount of pity for him. But he's looking more like a drugged up figurehead, a symbol for the ignorant masses, while the neocons led by Cheney run wild pursuing their PNAC/fascist agenda. Meanwhile they continue to whisper in his ear, tell him what he wants to hear, and keep their little puppet insulated and happy.

I've been giving this possibility some strong consideration of late.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:11 AM
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32. I've always viewed Dub as merely a "spokes model", a mask,...
,...although I have no doubt he holds no depth of perception or strong character. He is merely a "commercial" and, I agree with you that, he is a symbol for the masses such that the radical neofascistcons, led by the greedy, empty-hearted and cold-blooded Cheney, can runamuck and pursue their utopian dream of empire.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:09 AM
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14. Jeb is Poppy's fav
GWB still can't get over this, reading the Schweizer's Bushes: Portrait of Dynasty explains the family dynamics. Supposedly Jr. has always been the hard-head, he thinks daddy was a wimp.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:44 AM
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5. Gee, Daddy will sure be glad to hear that
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:02 AM
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8. If daddy speaks ill of Georgie...
...Barbara'll hunt him down and kill him. She just loves her boy who can do no wrong.
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rebellious woman Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:12 AM
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15. madame lafarge , herself
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:25 AM
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18. Look out for Laura in the Dodge, though !
Vehiculaura is a maniacal stealth killer herself.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:16 AM
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10. Life's just ironic
What he's accomplished is to vindicate his father's decision not to follow Saddam to Bagdhad. He's made his father's one term presidency look brilliant by comparison to his.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:17 AM
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11. Avoiding his father's mistakes
should be the least of his worries. He's should be more concerned about his own mistakes, like ignoring 9-11, destroying the US economy, and the Iraq War which will go down in history has Bu$h's blunder.


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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:04 AM
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12. jr has avoided making one mistake
he hasn't fathered any sons.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:08 AM
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13. didn't he tell a crowd a week or so ago that he had EARNED
(or was it deserved) the right to be relected (or something along those lines). If I recall.. it wasn't... I hope that in November voters declare that I have earned, through my performance, a second term...(which would at least be a humble way for an elected official to state this).

I don't know that he is over confident (as in "I know I will win") as much as he is self-righteous ("they love me... I and my 3 day work week and 5 hour work day... who even in times of crisis can't be bothered to read a 2 page summary and rely on others to give me the sound-bite version... have been chosen to be the president... I will be reelected...")
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:13 AM
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16. Did his father
make this many mistakes?
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:18 AM
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17. These people are frightening
The plan is so deceptively simple that it seems it could never work. They make out as if the whole plan to elect Bush is to just keep saying over and over, "He's a great guy, and people love him."

Our problem is that we think too rationally and within a basic framework of fair play and legality. We don't see how other rational people who think the way we do could possibly not see throught this fraud. What we fail to accept and consider in the equation is that these people, under the cover of their deceptively simple "good ole likeable boy" message, are cheating as hard as they can and at every opportunity.

They pretend to have this enormously popular candidate, but that popular image is carefully propped up and groomed by a vast network of media shills and right-wing pundits who echo it until it becomes as good as fact. Nothing is accidental, and none of it is real.

Consider Russert's question to James Carville yesterday. He went through a litany of all the bad poll numbers on Bush's performance and then concluded by pointing out polling that said Bush was still ahead of Kerry if the election were held today. The whole gist of the question was that no matter how bad Bush does on individual issues, people still want him more than Kerry. The whole long question was a set up to repeat the central message of the Bush campaign. Carville's answer didn't even matter. The question was about getting that message out.

Anyone who doesn't think Bushco is rigging the polling is crazy. These people rigged the whole state of Florida's actual elections in 2000 and 2002, and probably other states, too. They're doing it again right now, right in front of everyone's faces. They used exit polling to their advantage, and when it didn't work to their advantage, they got rid of it. Don't think for a minute they don't rig the pre-election polling, too. Sure, they can't rig them all, but they don't have too. There are so many polls it's mind boggling, so it they can just take care of three or four, the echo chamber can take those and make them into conventional wisdom.

It is hard for us to comprehend what these people will do to win, even when they tell us straight out. Remember Ralph Reed said that in his brand of politics, the opponent doesn't know he's dead until the body bag is being zipped up.

I don't mean to sound gloomy, because I have no doubt that we can win in November. I just get frustrated when an article like this comes out and tells us straight out the mistake we make, and we continue to make it. Don't underestimate these people! This election is about our very survival.

For us, it is very simple. We have to win big enough, in enough states, that they can't steal it. We will never do that by playing nice, and by assuming people will see through Bush's lies. Bush has a huge, bought and paid for propaganda machine, and people will believe the lies unless we tell them the truth.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:39 AM
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25. The Bushes use money, favors and intimidation to get what they want...
Edited on Mon May-10-04 08:40 AM by Tellurian
We have to use intelligence..Theres enough of it hanging around..

If Nancy Reagan ever came out silently, no fanfair, for Kerry..

I can envision a Nancy retrofit commercial.

Nancy in the center of the screen, projected in glossy sepia and brown tones, glimmering gold tints softly highlighting her hair...

She says, hello, I'm Nancy Reagan, I've missed seeing all of you. Ronnie is fine. He enjoys the wonderful weather and we still spend most of our time together. We meet once again and I want to leave you with an important message.

The words:"JUST SAY NO!" in 5" letters appear just below her face.

and Nancy says: (Just say NO to George W.Bush) To George W. Bush-

Then she says: Vote for John F. Kerry, we're all in this together. We can't afford another 4 yrs with Bush..

....The End....
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:13 AM
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41. I saw that Liz. It was frightening in the sense that truth sometimes
can and will be done in by Psyops propaganda. The media has been bought by the GOP. That is the frightening part. They control for the most part what most people see and think. Scarey
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:28 AM
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19. Too late
He already had kids.....
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:29 AM
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20. W. is in his dad's second term.
What a jerk he is. He owes everything he has to his dad. The Dems should play this up. It's both ungracious on W's part and underscores the fact that he isn't his own man and never was.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:42 AM
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26. great point...make notation..
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:10 AM
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22. Bush IS his father's biggest mistake!..
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:15 AM
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23. Clark, who called everything about the war right so far said:
"  I think there's a greater than 50/50 chance, let's say a 2:1 chance, of a catastrophic early end to this mission."
So, go ahead, W, stay the course! (Who said that before?)
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:16 AM
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24. Bush*...
...has got to be the most delusional public figure I've seen in a long time. Whatever the faults of his father, poppy is twice as smart as he could ever hope to be.

The more he talks, the more I think this whole "war" was all about showing up Daddy. Problem is, he's done nothing more than confirm his father's decision to let it be.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:57 AM
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28. ...and come up w/hundreds of new mistakes to call his own
Mission accomplished.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:10 AM
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31. Except he never takes credit for THOSE mistakes
It's always someone else's fault
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:01 AM
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29. Iraq may be Bush's downfall
Bush is gambling everything on Iraq. If Iraq keeps on the current course, then he shoule lose. We did need to invade Iraq and the costs is way too high.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:08 AM
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30. He's Already HIRED Most of His Father's Mistakes!!!!
:-)
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:13 AM
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33. What,
not to father a dumbass?
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:18 AM
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34. He has. Too bad the one's he's managed on his own are far worse!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:24 AM
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35. A Karl Rove interview in the Moonie Times? Enough said.
Edited on Mon May-10-04 09:29 AM by rocknation
Karl only comes out of his cave when everything else is falling apart.

:headbang:
rocknation
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rebellious woman Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:39 AM
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36. Perhaps he should remember a certain debate? Link
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:54 AM
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37. We need an amendment
to the Constitution that prohibits direct descendents of Presidents from running for the office for at least 20 years. Such an amendment would keep this from ever happening again, as we are going to experience the affects of a son trying to outdo his father, whatever the cost, for years to come.

In fact, we could extend that to Presidential siblings as well. No more Presidential dynasties bordering on a Monarchy.

An Amendment to the Constitution has already limited the number of terms that a President can serve; now I propose that we need to set limits on the office being "inherited" or dominated in succession by one powerful and wealthy family.
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Waistdeep Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:56 AM
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38. Does that mean
that bush will pull out?

His father should have.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:57 AM
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39. What mistakes? It's already too late not to have any kids. n/t
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:04 AM
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40. Hubris.
His never-wavering self-confidence has advantages but also disadvantages. It prevents them from addressing real obstacles to garnering an electoral victory.
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