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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:58 PM
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Reuters: Soldiers Back in U.S. Tell of More Iraqi Abuse
Edited on Thu May-06-04 11:09 PM by FlashHarry
More "isolated" incidents from a few "bad apples?"

<snip>
ANTIOCH, California (Reuters) - Three U.S. military policemen who served at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison said on Thursday they had witnessed unreported cases of prisoner abuse and that the practice against Iraqis was commonplace.

"It is a common thing to abuse prisoners," said Sgt. Mike Sindar, 25, a National Guardsman with the 870th Military Police Company based in the San Francisco Bay area. "I saw beatings all the time." (emphasis mine)

"A lot of people had so much pent-up anger, so much aggression."
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Dufaeth Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:00 PM
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1. Don't forget to rate it!
looks like only the freeps have so far. 2.4? bah
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:03 PM
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2. Done!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:08 PM
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3. Antioch is not far from me
I'm thankful people are speaking out .
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:09 PM
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4. hubby said all the troops will need to CYA
and will start singing like canaries

brace yourselves for lots more of this in the next couple weeks
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:02 PM
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19. Spectators at the lynching of Jesse Washington


Spectators at the lynching of Jesse Washington, one man raised for a better view.

May 16, 1916, Waco, Texas


IT'S MORE THAN THAT--IT IS

the psyche of a Bully finally realizing the reality of getting your jollies by abusing your victim, will go unpunished.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:09 PM
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5. Done it's at 3.0 now
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:32 PM
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6. It is 3.22 now. Keep voting!
eom
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:34 AM
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8. Kick
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:43 PM
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7. 3.32
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montana_hazeleyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:38 AM
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9. 3.57
with 163 votes
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myccrider Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:42 AM
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10. 3.63 with 171 votes. n/t
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:02 AM
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14. 3.86 with 193 votes [n/t]
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:48 AM
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11. they gave U.S. guards a week's notice before inspecting their possessions"
Edited on Fri May-07-04 12:50 AM by ConcernedCanuk
.on edit: 3.73 with 180 vote
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that's not what I'd call trying to fix anything, when they are warned of inspections!

It only proves to me that the abuses were condone, if not ordered from way on up.

That still is no excuse for people abusing people, stress or no stress, orders or no orders.

Inhumane acts are inhumane acts, and those that order, condoned or effect the acts are all culpable.

Expect more stories to emerge for years to come. The only way the US can save their ass from more charges and world disgust is to get out now. But the US is to stubborn and arrogant. The Officials in the WH and the Pentagon think their split-tongued rhetoric will fool the world. They will fool a considerable amount of US citizens, but not the world. the world has learned not to pay a whole lot of attention to US media if they are searching for the truth.

From the article:

When military investigators were looking into abuses several months ago, they gave U.S. guards a week's notice before inspecting their possessions, several soldiers said.

"That shows you how lax they are about discipline. 'We are going to look for contraband in here, so hint, hint, get rid of the stuff,' that's the way things work in the Guard," Leal said.
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'nuff said.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:52 AM
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12. So what?
Edited on Fri May-07-04 12:53 AM by Columbia
They tell people possession of certain things are not allowed and give them a chance to get rid of it? What's the problem?
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:13 PM
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20. Well,
a whole week gives them plenty of time to clean up the blood and pacify the prisoners into quietude during the inspection. Also, I somehow doubt the inspectors were using Luminol over there....
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:16 PM
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21. Read the quote
They were speaking of contraband.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:53 PM
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22. Read it again
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Some say investigators went out of their way to keep the allegations under wraps. When military investigators were looking into abuses several months ago, they gave U.S. guards a week's notice before inspecting their possessions, several soldiers said.

LINK
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:56 PM
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24. Yes, keyword possessions
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 05:44 PM
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27. kick
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 06:14 PM
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28. Keep reading...

"That shows you how lax they are about discipline. 'We are going to look for contraband in here, so hint, hint, get rid of the stuff,' that's the way things work in the Guard," Leal said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=4...
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:54 AM
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13. I agree, CC.
Never in my wildest dreams could I imagine I would be reading this kind of stuff. Who could ever imagine that I would gravitat to a place called the DU, because I was so pissed that I could not find any answers to the insanity that I was witnessing.

Man, how your illusions can be shattered.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 07:38 AM
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15. Kick
:kick:
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Kemet Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:03 AM
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16. more votes needed
Its current average rating is 3.92 with 305 votes
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:17 AM
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17. Check out the DATE on this story!!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20040203-99...

Abuse of Iraqi prisoners common, Marine says

February 3, 2004
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:11 PM
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25. Should have posted more info - happened June 2003
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So I figure this has been SOP since they laid one boot on Iraqi soil.

From your link

Although guards beat and choked Hatab and although he died in their custody, Col. William Gallo, the investigating officer, said he had not seen evidence to substantiate charges of negligent homicide against two Marines in the case: Maj. Clarke Paulus and Lance Cpl. Christian Hernandez.

/snip/


The Marines are facing charges arising from the death June 5 of Hatab, a ranking member of Saddam Hussein's Baath Party, while he was at Camp White Horse near Nasiriyah, Iraq.

/snip/

In Hatab's case, Roy said the Iraqi might have received more abuse because he was a difficult prisoner and because he was linked to the ambush on the Army's 507th Maintenance Battalion. It was during that ambush that Jessica Lynch was taken prisoner.
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Well, THAT's why we never heard much about it

The press were doing the Jessica hostage/rescue/hero thing!

Sure gives one the idea this has been commonplace since day one.

Like I said

Standard Operating Procedure

Now we know.

(sigh)
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:01 PM
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18. NICE REPORTING OF THE ABUSE WHEN YOU WERE THERE BOYS
I'm sure the Iraqi POW's (referred by to by the troops as RAGHEADS) appreciated your following of the UCMJ and the Geneva convention.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:53 PM
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23. it sickens me too, saigon
WTF? They are a disgrace to America and our military.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:35 PM
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26. IT'S NOW LEAKING OUT-- ANAL RAPE OF CHILDREN
Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and acting inappropriately with a dead body. The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930 /

SCREWED IN THE RECTUM WHILE MILTARY GUARDS STOOD AND WATCHED. CHILDREN SCREAMING AS THEY WERE SODOMIZED.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:53 AM
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29. NOT YET-- CORRUPT CRIMINAL MYERS IN CENSORSHIP MODE
Meyers is working overtime to keep the lid on this. According to MSNBC the "PICTURES
AREN'T EVEN IN DC YET"

What a Freaking LIE. They could send a Giga bite of data in 2 seconds for heaven sakes ---do
they believe we are that STOOPID ??

NeoCon Fucking liars posing as Generals



Next week or the week after next the NEOCON Generals plan to let a few select congressMEN
see them..

Then after the congressMEN go on TV with their usual outrage statements THE PENTAGON
will decide what to do next.

I hope the DINOS and others keep the heat on these CRIMINALS IN UNIFORM
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