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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:22 PM
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Rumsfeld to form abuse probe panel
Edited on Thu May-06-04 09:24 PM by riverwalker


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/06/iraq.abuse.ma...
Rumsfeld to form abuse probe panel
Thursday, May 6, 2004 Posted: 10:12 PM EDT (0212 GMT)

<snip> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will tell congressional committees Friday that he plans to form an independent panel to review how the Pentagon handled investigations into allegations of abuses of Iraqi prisoners, a senior administration official said. <snip>


No! No! No!!!. Don't let the him sleaze out of this by forming a "panel". He is going to investigate himself? No No No
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:24 PM
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1. Hah! They are trying really hard to find a job for Henry Kissinger!
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:26 PM
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3. No No No. I am completely opposed to this idea. n/t.
.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:16 PM
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14. The "CRIMINAL" judging his own crime!!! I'm with you. WRONG! n/t
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demoman123 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:29 AM
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21. It's like reading 2 copies of the morning paper to check the facts. n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 06:27 AM
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25. more like this
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:25 PM
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2. First ting tomorrow
call them congress critters... this is not goijng to just pass'


And I know he is innocent until proven gulty, but he is presumptavely a war criminal
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:28 PM
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4. sounds like cheney's Terrorism Task Force
they never met. :eyes:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:28 PM
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5. wait a minute - How can he form an "independent" panel?
Edited on Thu May-06-04 09:29 PM by yellowcanine
If Rummy forms the panel by definition it is not "independent" - The whole chain of command needs to be investigated and he is in the chain of command. When will the pubbies in congress stand up and say - no thank you - we want a truly independent investigation this time?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:30 PM
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8. The way things have been going
it sounds just about right. The fox guarding the henhouse. Whatcha want to bet that Kissinger will be head of his panel? I certainly hope the Dems don't roll over and play dead on this one!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:29 PM
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6. Well, imagine that. Like I'm surprised. Now rummy, who was just there
not long ago, is going to start an investigation into something I have absolutely no doubt that he knew was going on.

Here comes the cover up and the new big lie.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:30 PM
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7. Is he going to place himself under arrest?
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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:41 PM
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9. This is the best they could come up with?
"Thursday morning, Rumsfeld canceled a planned speech in Philadelphia to focus on his Friday testimony. He met Thursday morning with four Republican members of the Senate Armed Service Committee."

Independent panel, what a crock.

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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:46 PM
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10. Light up their switchboards
Armed Services Committee

Senator John Warner Chairman
Telephone:
(202) 224-2023
(202) 224-6295 FAX

Senator Carl Levin Ranking Member
Phone (202) 224-6221
Fax (202) 224-1388

Other members: Russell Senate Office Bldg 202-224-3871 ask for the office:
John McCain (Arizona)
James M. Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Pat Roberts (Kansas)
Wayne Allard (Colorado)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Susan M. Collins (Maine)
John Ensign (Nevada)
James M. Talent (Missouri)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Lindsey O. Graham (South Carolina)
Elizabeth Dole (North Carolina)
John Cornyn (Texas)

DEMOCRATS

Edward M. Kennedy (Massachusetts)
Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia)
Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
Bill Nelson (Florida)
E. Benjamin Nelson (Nebraska)
Mark Dayton (Minnesota)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York)
Mark Pryor (Arkansas)

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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:05 PM
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11. Oh, bullshit.
He's going to form a committee-NOW? This has been kicking around (and he AND W knew it, too) since last year, and NOW he's gonna "get right on it"? Bullshit. Didn't Rummy have breakfast with a bunch of high-level Repubs this morning? Was this their big nugget of advice?
Why do all of them keep saying "let's wait for reports to come in before we jump to conclusions about this"? I thought the report WAS in, and Seymour Hirsch did a huge expose`about it. This report was only 55 pages long. How could Rummy and Myers not have read it? Why has Wolfowitz not read it? Why does everyone keep letting them get away with this shit? They leave fingerprints on NOTHING.

I can just imagine how tomorrow is going to go: Rummy will come in and give a charming little speech. Then the Dems will ask the hard questions, the Repubs will thank him effusively for his service to the country, kiss his ass, apologize for the questions that those mean ol' Dems are asking, and nothing will really get done. What a joke. What a foreign policy and human rights disaster this is.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:12 PM
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12. "Abuse" panel?
If you let them control the language, they'll control the debate.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:12 PM
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13. Pot meet kettle.
Really...
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StandUpGuy Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:17 PM
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15. Maybe more than 3 Democrats will try and stop this...
But if they will send Negroponte to Iraq...
I'm not holding my breath
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:24 PM
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16. More BS
from the asses of evil. We will never know the truth about anything this administration has done.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:28 PM
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17. Alert! Rumsfeld turns himself in!
Washington D.C. - Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld turned himself in to Federal Marshals today. A spokesperson for the Marshals Department said there would be no comment until it could be determined what Mr. Rumsfeld had turned himself in for.
"There are no outstanding warrants or subpeonas, so we are not quite certain at this time what we will do with him", said Deputy Marshal Yvonne McDonald.

An attornery claiming to represent Secretary Rumsfeld sent a faxed press release to several news sources in which he claimed Rumsfeld encouraged a full and fair investigation, no matter how long it took, and that Mr. Rumsfeld would agree to be detained at Guantanamo Bay Detention Center until such time as a resolution could be determined. Mr. Rumsfeld was overheard saying to the Deputy Marshall on duty at the Marshals field office in Alexandria, " Do you have any of those chemical light thingys?"
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:57 PM
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18. I don't like the sound of that....
"probe". Probe the abuse? The guy's so deranged, anything could be made of that.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:50 AM
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19. maybe they can just flip the 9/11 panel over to new duty . . .
after their mandate runs out . . . which is pretty soon, if memory serves me right (thanks again to Chairman Kaga) . . . would save time, and you'd have a group already devoted to preordained outcomes . . .
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:00 AM
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20. You know, Crummy, you could start by calling it the war crime probe panel
Edited on Fri May-07-04 02:00 AM by Solly Mack
follow that up by recusing yourself from picking the panel, and then finish up by resigning from office.....you could also skip the 1st and 2 nd parts and just resign.

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:34 AM
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22. :sigh: another "investigation" of the weasels, by the weasels
and for the weasels to investigate the weasels...

any bets that this "investigation" won't get off the ground until after November 2004? and any "report" won't be released until....ummm..after November 2006?

Questions:

1. any bets that bush* (aka The Fertilizer) will say that he is calling for full WH cooperation with the investigation?

2. How long will The Fertilizer be able to dodge release of documents and still be able to claim that he's cooperating?

3. at what point during the "investigtion" will The Fertilizer claim executive priviledge or similar excuse to NOT release documents and/or attempt to prevent testimony?

4. will The Fertilizer and Crashcart appear together to give testimony? Not under oath, no transcription, no recording of any kind?







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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 07:19 AM
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30. Yes, America has become a country, Of the Weasels, By the Weasels and For
the Wesels!

We need a Mega Broom to Clean House..
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 06:15 AM
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23. BULLSHIT!!!!!
The Dems talk the talk but when it comes to really representing the American people they don't walk the walk. Most of them slop at the same Oligarchy trough that their counterparts slop out of.

"Then the Dems will ask the hard questions."

The Dems will lightly toss nerf balls.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 06:20 AM
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24. You know what? Let the bastards drag this out.
Really. Let them drag it all the way out to Halloween. Strategically, if Rumsfeld gets fired then moderates are going to look at it as proof that Bush is doing the right thing (which he would be) ...but they'll have amnesia about the last 3 years.
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 06:36 AM
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26. Too late Rummy
We can't trust you with this or anything. You are only doing this because you got caught with the goods.

To let this clown investigate himself and the rest of the chain is a joke. Fire Rumsfeld!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 06:40 AM
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27. WHAT? This is OUTRAGEOUS! CRIMINALS investigating themselves??
If Congressional members don't put STOP to this insanity..

They all need to resign because of incompetence!
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 06:41 AM
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28. Oh great, another
criminal being allowed to "investigate" himself. When does this end?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 06:49 AM
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29. How many investigations are gong on concurrently now?
9/11
Plame
Delay
$700 million (if not, there should be one)
Iraq Abuse
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