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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:11 PM
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Senators seek demolition of Iraqi prison [CNN]
http://cnn.allpolitics.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cp...

Senators seek demolition of Iraqi prison


From Ed Henry
CNN Washington Bureau



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A bipartisan group of senators is urging the Pentagon to demolish the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq in order to exorcise a symbol of both Saddam Hussein's torture chambers and an embarrassing episode for the U.S. military.

The Baghdad prison is the focus of a controversy over treatment of Iraqi prisoners by their U.S. captors.

"I think we ought to raze that prison," Senate Intelligence Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, told reporters Wednesday evening after his panel heard testimony from CIA and Defense Department officials about physical and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib.

"I think we ought to take it down -- take the damn thing down," said Roberts, who also serves on the Armed Services Committee.Committee.

<snip>

the article goes on to talk about Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska, who first brought the idea up this week.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:14 PM
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1. The Administration commits war crimes - the resolution - take it out on an
inanimate object. geeeesh.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:14 PM
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3. I think they want to destroy the evidence
What better way to get rid of the evidence than to raze the prison?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 08:23 PM
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18. No offense, BUT,...this is a positive prospect: to make "that" extinct!!!
Shut that "hall of terror" down!!!

Involve all the Iraqi people in so doing!!!

I imagine a JOINT effort to destroy that "item" of pain would be one step towards healing.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:45 AM
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19. So true --Raze that chamber of horrors to the ground
Yes and let the Iraq people take down the whole place. It needs to go.
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wubbathompson Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:17 PM
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5. What the hell good would that do
They need to court martial those who commited these crimes and fix the institutional problem which led to this. Destroying the building is the equivalent on an exorcism. It won't do a damn thing.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:35 PM
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9. Here are two INCONGRUOUS statements from the link:
Intelligence hearing

....statement made by Roberts:"Following the closed-door hearing Wednesday of the Intelligence Committee, Roberts said there is "no evidence" that intelligence personnel "directed any of the abuses" at the Abu Ghraib prison."


....statement made by eye witness Karpinski:"The former commander of military police at U.S. prisons in Iraq, Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, has said that MPs implicated in the abuse of Iraqi prisoners were being given instructions by military intelligence, who were trying to extract information."


I have concerns over the rush to destroy the prison...

Why are we in such a hurry to destroy evidence?


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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:14 PM
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2. I had this thought when all this crap first came out. But then I changed
my mind as it should be up to the Iraqi people whether or not to tear it down. If we do it, it may be taken as trying to hide something. If they do it, that is their decision. In a way I'd like to see it stay as a reminder and part of history, but I wouldn't blame the Iraqis if they wanted it razed. I just don't think it's a decision for the US to make.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:17 PM
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4. I hope they don't do this
the problem is not with the building, I'm afraid that our Congress is going to embrace this gesture just to put this behind us. I hope instead we use this opportunity to make real change.

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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:23 PM
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7. The building was infamous in Iraq
and should never have been used by US troops as a prison in the first place. Even before these atrocities were revealed the symbolism was terrible. Now of course, it is way too late. The damage has been done and the blowback will likely be horrendous.
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Grey Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:32 PM
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8. I think it should be kept,
"as is" for a war memorial, other countries have their holocaust museums or historical monuments.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:43 PM
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13. I vote the same. Keep it as a war memorial/testament of shame. n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:44 PM
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14. Most likly the reason they want to tear it down! nt
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:45 PM
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15. not to mention the forensic evidence that needs to be examined n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 08:19 PM
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17. No. It exists. It will be used.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:22 PM
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6. great idea, empty it, do a full investigation
then take the damn thing down. There is too much forensic evidence there to just raze it now.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:37 PM
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10. America had the chance to "wash-clean" the blood of Abu Ghraib
already made infamous before the invasion...but America blew it.

You think razing some of the concentration camps made them any less there? That somehow out of sight became out of mind?

Razing the prison won't bring absolution. It won't bring closure.

You want closure? Bring justice. Raze hate.




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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:37 PM
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11. ... and Halliburton gets the demolition contract ....
:eyes:



:hippie:
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:41 PM
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12. and the reconstruction contract to build the prisons to replace it
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bushgottago Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:56 PM
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16. It's the BUILDING'S Fault
The building did it. If you tear down the building the problem is solved !!!!

Brilliant!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:51 AM
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20. Don't tear it down, convert it to condos
Isn't there a homeless problem in Iraq?

:headbang:
rocknation
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:00 AM
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21. Senators: "Let's bury this embarrassing reality as fast as we can."
So America can go back to pretending it's the "last best hope of mankind."
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