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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:29 PM
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Southern Baptists Hear Proposal to Pull Children From Public Schools
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAMZ1RBXTD.html

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A prominent Southern Baptist is asking the national convention to consider a resolution recommending parents remove their children from what he calls "godless" and "anti-Christian" public schools.


The resolution, co-authored by T.C. Pinckney, publisher of a Baptist newsletter in Alexandria, Va., urges parents to homeschool their children or send them to Christian schools.

"God gives the responsibility for education of children to the parents, not to the government," Pinckney said in an interview Thursday. "And parents should be taking responsibility, primarily through homeschooling."

His proposal has been submitted to the convention's 10-member Resolutions Committee, which will decide whether to present it for a vote when the convention meets June 15-16 in Indianapolis.

more...This is the way Jim Jones began behaving in the beginning. :scared:

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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:32 PM
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1. It would take care of the over-crowded classrooms
and we wouldn't miss them either. The public school system would not collaspe. Those people are such freaks.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:44 PM
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33. That would be 90% of the students
in the small, backward town that I'm from. LOL

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:30 PM
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44. Then the other 10% could get
a decent education.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:13 PM
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42. Yup-
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Sir Craig Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:35 PM
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2. And the parade of ignorance marches on...

I watched a program on A&E last night about a Baptist preacher who home-schooled his kids. Problem was, by keeping them out of sight he was able to beat, torture and rape his adopted daughter.

Part of public schooling includes interaction with other people and ideas - home-schooling sucks in this regard, and unfortunately has a habit of being abused.

I've also met a few religious home-schooled types, and it amazes me that these people can even function in modern society...but no one ever said ignorance and/or stupidity is against the law.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:44 PM
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36. Look how far ignorance and stupidity took George W. Bush!
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:37 PM
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3. Is your average parent qualified to teach...
astronomy, biology (non fundie style), chemistry, history, psychology, sociology, chemistry, physics, mathematics (separate from simple arithmetic), industrial arts (where's your hazmat certificate?), band, phys-ed (quick, what does the trapezius do?), business, voice, econonics (besides trickle-down), French, Greek, Latin, German, Italian...?
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:41 PM
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18. This can be a good thing
Firstly most schools aren't qualified to teach all those things. My school only taught french as a foreign lang. and my sisters' school only taught spanish. Astronomy, psych, sociology, economics were barely taught - some in basic science classes or general social sciences.

Many parents haven't studied any of those things since they got out of school, and have forgotten half of it. They would have to refresh/continue their own educations AND teach their kids how to teach themselves.

I don't know how homeschooling goes in regard to accreditation, do these kids do any kind of testing? Or they just show up at 17 and hope to pass a GED?

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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:46 PM
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21. testing requirements vary by state...
Edited on Thu May-06-04 06:00 PM by stopthegop
and they can get a GED or not...many universities accept homeschooled students with a GED...SAT scores and such

edit: many universities accept homeschooled students withOUT a GED
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:46 PM
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20. Most of kids I' ve met that were homeschooled were bright..
.. they did well on tests, but had ZERO social skills or personality. There are too many parents that pull their children out of society like that.. and expose them only to church people... Narrow minded people who only want their kids to hear what they approve of.

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Nalgenelover Snort Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:17 PM
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25. Yep.
I always thought that was a load of crap until I actually met someone who had been homeschooled her whole life. Very nice girl, very intelligent, but it's painful to watch her in social settings. She's not shy, but she's lacking a certain something that most people seem to get in high school. And she's only just now learning to not take everything her mother says for granted.

Children need to be in either school or some homeschool organization that allows them to spend most of the day with other people their age.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:39 PM
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4. So, no more "stealth Christians" infiltrating public School Boards?
No more attempts at inserting prayer into public schools?

No more trying to force creationism into school science?

Have they given up and are just waiting for the apocalypse?

And just WHEN are they gonna all be called back to heaven so the rest of us can get back to living life?

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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:07 PM
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13. A town in my state has a home schooler on the board
.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:09 PM
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24. No, that's not how it works
They start by pulling their kids out of school.

They then go to school board meetings demanding that prayer be added to the curriculum, teaching evolution be dropped in favor of the teaching of "intelligent design," Bible readings be forced upon all children or whatever in hell they're asking for this time.

The next step is to run for school board.

At which point someone should stand up and say something to the effect of "if you're so interested in what children are being taught in the schools, why aren't any of your children enrolled?" That, unfortunately, never happens.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:44 PM
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5. Great. Bye Bye Baptists.
:evilgrin:
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:11 PM
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14. Yeah. Take your abstinence only crap with you.
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American Renaissance Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:46 PM
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6. It's good and bad...
On one hand, if they do this, they might fucking leave the rest of us alone

At the same time, if they retreat to their "madrassas" they could be raising a generation of Timothy McVeighs.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:48 PM
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7. They'll put them in Baptist Madrassas
Where they'll all become good little bushbots and Islam haters.

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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:36 PM
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46. Exactly. It's happening already.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:48 PM
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8. this concept was original to and the
Reconstructionists

Rushdoony was the founder of "homeschooling" actually, and since then, the movement has taken off to those not involved with the REconstructionist movement, and parents who are dissatisfied with the public school system, that does not give their gifted child the utmost, and does not meet their expectations for their gifted child, have adopted.

We , on DU should be aware of Rushdoony and his Reconstructionist philosphy.

It is truly, sick and gross.



Public education is a target of religious nuts. It is also much maligned by parents who think their precious, unique child needs to be recognized as a genius, and if he or she is not, they will pull their child from the school, complain about the teachers who do not recognize the genius in their child, and insist they be given tax payer vouchers in order that their little geniuses be recognized as such--in their own homes, by their own parents. !! LOL

They do not like it that multi culturism, and tolerance is taught either.

They want their children to learn "Christian" concepts, including the notion that the theory of evolution is bunk.

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theo4487 Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:54 PM
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10. Southern Baptist is a dumbass..
With dumbasses like him homeschooling the future of America we would have bigger problems to worry about.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:52 PM
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9. Thank God, I left that church and became an Episcopalian.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:55 PM
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11. Don't the the door hit your asses on the way out.
But I doubt the resolution will be passed, because while the thumpers care a lot about teaching their kids their ignorant ways, they also care a whole lot about teaching your kids their ignorant ways.

They'd have to step out of our lives, and they care entirely too much about controlling the rest of us to do that.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:02 PM
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12. Another way for paternalists
to benefit from the slave labor of women. Do you know any Southern Baptist dads who have given up their paying jobs to stay home and school their children? I don't. It's always the mom that does it.

When they start bragging about how "We homeschool our children..." I can't help asking innocently, "How does that work? Do you do it one month and your wife the next? Or do you take certain subjects and she takes others?"

Sometimes they get defensive. Go figure.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:09 PM
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23. Actually, my doctor (female) has 4 children and her husband
home schools them.

Whatever works, I guess. They are serious Christians but I think it could also be that sending the kids to private school would be $40+K per year. If he is willing and able to do it, they can certainly get some help for any areas they want help in.

I, personally, don't think it's a good idea but they're not my kids.
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:12 PM
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15. So the baptists are leaving public schools
I will enjoy as they are the first to starve as they bring down our civilization with their ignorance and stupidity.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:14 PM
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16. My niece home schools
my two youngest great nephews, but for the opposite reason. She feels that the schools have been so overtaken by fundamentalist elements, that they are not getting a quality education.

I talked to her oldest, who goes to public high school, and he is a bright, polite, very, very intelligent young man. His complaint is that the schools try so hard to impose uniform thought, that they are getting kids to memorize things, but not to think critically. I am very proud of all of them.

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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:40 PM
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17. Public schools don't teach 11 year-olds they will burn in eternal hell...
Edited on Thu May-06-04 05:42 PM by flaminbats
let this be done in the compassionate, faith-based schools where any child is punished for asking why good people who are Jews, Muslims, or Atheists cannot be saved. After all..the words of a school teacher are Godless, but the words of a hypocrite must never be questioned!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:43 PM
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19. Good fucking riddance..
They can keep their narrow-minded spawns in private schools, leave the thinking people in the public schools. These people need to do that anyway... leave the rest of us alone with their superstions and middle-ages thinking.
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swinney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:01 PM
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22. Southern Baptist only Major religion to be
For the Iraq war. Only one.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:46 PM
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34. Southern Baptists for the Iraq war
Wow. I didn't know that fact until just now.

"By their acts you will know them"
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:23 PM
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26. theoretically I have no problem with homeschooling
although I feel that godless and anti christian schools is not a reason to do so.

You want your kids to get religion? send them to church and talk to them about it at home. If you want them to get an education either do it yourself or send them to a professional.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:25 PM
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27. This will be a boon for public schools
Let the fundies have madrassas. Perhaps
they might actually start teaching
critical thinking skills again. Wouldn't that be nice?
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:28 PM
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28. The "Southern Baptists" are CRAZY!!!!!!
They may just be a bigger threat than terrorism itself!?!
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:29 PM
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29. Fine let them do it...it is a free country
I am tired of the bible thumpers in my community blaming the public schools for the ills of the world...

many time I think the teachers get blamed when the parents don't want to look at themselves...


Personally I am happy with the public schools my kids go to.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:32 PM
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30. Fine...but don't expect the taxpayers to pay for it.....and...wonder
if this part of the faith based program coming out of our tax dollars.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:36 PM
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31. I didn't say anything about taxpayers paying for it...
I am personally pro-public education and gladly pay my taxes for it.....I am anti-voucher... if they want low taxes they can move to the low tax areas and home school...since living in a good school district won't matter to them at all....

Personally I think this fellow might fight that most Baptists, will balk at the idea.

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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:44 PM
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32. Well,
I feel sorry for the children that will be deprived of a real education, but other than that, I'm not really concerned. It'll help with the overcrowding problem, as another poster stated.
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:02 PM
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35. That should clean out the gene pool a little
Southern baptists will have no education or social skills. That ought to boot them out of politics in one generation.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:49 PM
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37. I dunno. There seem to be a lot of politicians with no education
or social skills. Look at the Chimp in Chief.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:32 AM
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38. It's a sure-fire way to keep Mom at home where she belongs!
Edited on Fri May-07-04 03:36 AM by Hekate
Kinder, kirche, kuche.

I have nothing against private schools and home-schooling per se, but I object to my tax money being pulled out of the public school system in order to support non-public education. All that does is re-segregate education along religious and class lines, and make the decay of public education into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Hekate
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 07:39 AM
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39. It's All About the Vouchers


Look at the jump in CC enrollment and who's behind the outrcy for vouchers begins to make sense, doesn't it?
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 07:48 AM
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40. Two schools of thought regarding sports-
In my home town, private schools take one of two tracks. They either play in the so-called "TAPS" league (Texas Association of Private Schools) or they petition public schools for the right to participate in team sports. Believe it or not, they actually went to court and prevailed so that their young un's can play for the home team. Most, however, take the Taps route because the competition is far less strenous and their kids have more of an opportunity to be stars. Little Joey is much more apt to get court time and make a few buckets if there are no public school athletes around.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:27 AM
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41. Repugs and Christians would love to destroy the public school system
By denying the underpriviledged the right to an education, they will be more able to keep them in servitude for Wal-Mart and other purveyor's of slave labor, as well as the US military.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:19 PM
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43. Good. Get the ignorance out of public schools.
These Fundies have set education back by decades in the US and it is beginning to show quite dramatically.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:33 PM
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45. Good
Let them give their kids a Baptist education and let the rest of the kids in this country learn about the real world.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:05 PM
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47. Fine by me, as long as the parents or the church will be paying for it.
And not my tax money!!!
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:10 PM
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48. Aren't this people these people already ignorant enough ==
they want to make sure their progeny are too? I really do believe that Americans are getting too stupid to live with.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:41 PM
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49. Whatever--this guy is just grandstanding
He knows full well most people can't afford to put their kids in private schools or have one parent quit their job to homeschool them. They can pass all the resolutions they want, but only a few well be able to do this. Most of the ones who can are probably already doing that.

Of course, if they do pass this resolution, the next step will be to lobby congress to get school vouchers approved.
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