breaking MSNBC president to ask congress for $25 BILLION more for Iraq

[ElsewheresDaughter]

said: a WH staffer just alerted MSNBC...where did the $87 BILLION that he just got a few months ago go?

people are saying it is gonna be alot more than that

[MaineDem]

1. Good Lord! (nt)

[saigon68]

50. NOT ANOTHER PENNY

What about the Seniors going without their drugs?

Billions for Halliburton

"Pass the Champagne" Shouted the Mercenary bosses--the SHEEP are buying

[saigon68]

76. MORE FROM THE SCUMBAGS ---Bogus Reasons

"This is not money for Iraq, this is money for our troops, this is supporting our troops. Nobody is going to have any problem with that," House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Texas Republican, reportedly told journalists afterwards.

WHAT A DIRTY LITTLE TURD

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3688449.stm

[74dodgedart]

2. Just put it on my tab..

My grandkids will pick it up later...How much of this economic recovery can be attributed to excessive government borrow and spend ?

[TroglodyteScholar]

52. Grandkids?

We might be working on the great grandkids by now....

:kick:

[Ganja Ninja]

3. I'm surprised he's got the balls to do it before the election.

And I'm surprised it's only 25 Billion.

[KissMyAsscroft]

4. Oh, thats the least possible that they can get by with..

until after the eletion. If Bush is elected, the first thing he will do is ask for an insane amount of money for Iraq and slash every social program that there is.

[qanda]

7. That should hold us until 11:59 p.m., November 2, 2004.

At 12:01 a.m. on November 3rd, he will put in a new request for more.

[Qutzupalotl]

31. Correct

We're spending at the rate of about $1 billion a week, so $25 billion is about six months' worth.

What major event is coming up in six months?

[Tempest]

42. Bush had no choice but to ask before the election

The Republicans in Congress threatened to pass a bill over his objections which would have required him to ask for additional money in its own spending bill before the election.

That would have been a disaster for Bush.

[bluedeminredstate]

5. 25 Billion now

and then 25 more in a few months when they figure most Americans have forgotten about the first 25 billion.

[maddezmom]

21. they need 50 but they'll take the 25

Last February, President Bush (news - web sites)'s budget omitted any funds for U.S. military and reconstruction activities in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bolten said at the time that the administration's 2005 request for Iraq could be up to $50 billion.


It seemed likely that the $25 billion proposal to be discussed on Wednesday would be only the first portion of funds that will be needed for next year.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&e=2&u=/ap/20040505/ap_on_go_pr_wh/iraq_spending

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is insane...:crazy:

[VolcanoJen]

34. Just go ahead and ask for the $50 Billion already!

McCain and Hagel are going to jump his shit for this.

[Just Me]

6. Yeah,..."they" cover-upped the anticipated costs of this war, too!!!

The freon neocons should be thrown into a cell. I'll swallow the key!!!

[Webster Green]

8. That should go over big................

Is this asshole toast yet, or what?

[0007]

39. junior is flushing us all down the toilet - junior has his money

what does he care?

[teryang]

9. This suggests a current FY request

...is possible and that more will be requested for the next Fiscal Year.

[rawstory]

10. Anyone got a link?

Please? ;)

[maddezmom]

11. here's one

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&e=2&u=/ap/20040505/ap_on_go_pr_wh/iraq_spending

[Iceburg]

12. The mercenaries want a pay hike.

[David__77]

13. This will cause some troubles down the road.

This sort of campaign is not sustainable with today's bubble economy. First the new economy--"pop!" Then it will be housing--"pop!" And finally the monetary system as a whole--"pop!" The world will not be kind when the time comes.

[neverforget]

14. It all goes on the credit card so my so-to-be-born child can

pay for this ghastly war. :grr:

[The Stranger]

15. Torturing people in violation of international law isn't cheap these days.

[maddezmom]

16. another f'ing flip flop

By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration will ask Congress for an additional $25 billion for U.S. operations in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites), a House Republican aide said Wednesday, a change from the White House's earlier plans to not request such money until after the November elections.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&e=2&u=/ap/20040505/ap_on_go_pr_wh/iraq_spending

[Claire Beth]

17. He should use his own funds (n/t)

[hatrack]

18. Meanwhile, back at the National Debt Clock

Hey kids! Hit the "refresh" button and watch those numbers spin! Be the first on your block!!

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

[Dhalgren]

22. That"debt clock" is insane! Or, rather, we are.

[arcane1]

19. those no-bod contracts add up, man!

millionaires need their millions like a crack addict needs crack

good luck getting this one, George... maybe this time you can buy some GODDAMNED ARMOR FOR THE TROOPS???

unlikely, this money is going to Blackwater

:grr:

[booksenkatz]

20. My 4-year-old son says

HELL, NO! PAY FOR YOUR OWN GODDAMN WAR, YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT! QUIT SADDLING MY GENERATION WITH THE BILL FOR YOUR COCK-UPS!:mad:
/son doesn't really use that kind of language, but you get the drift

[cliss]

23. My prediction:

This war will end peacefully. We will pull out our troops and go home. OR, we will invite the UN to oversee the operations in Iraq and we will participate. Why?

We're going to run out of money. This insane spending is not sustainable. They keep running over, running over, asking for more and more money.

[wubbathompson]

24. THIS IS A WAY TO SCREW KERRY

He's going to try to get him to go against the funding and paint him as a softy and make people choose between Kerry and their safety, or else get Kerry to vote for it and take the Iraq issue away or at least try to make him equally culpable. Damn you Rove

[havocmom]

27. That plus more payoffs to BFEE cronies

America, wake up! The troops are being held hostage by corporate criminals who don't even recognize the United States of America, let show any loyality to it.

The troops are held hostage while private contractors and sadists in prisons are making their days more dangerous. They are being held hostage: pay up or we shut off the supplies and the righteously pissed Iraqi population might slaughter them when ammo runs short.

Cheney is the bag man for this ransom scheme.

Pluck the Chicken Hawks and take the traitors to trial.

[yardwork]

47. Mussolini does seem more and more relevant.

When the Italian people figured out what Mussolini had done to their country, they grabbed him and enacted mob justice.

I don't advocate any kind of mob justice. I do advocate the peaceful enforcement of constitutional and international law.

Our president and his staff are guilty of war crimes, and they should be held accountable, in both American courts and international courts.

[NMDemDist2]

57. Welcome to DU wubba

:hi:

[Snellius]

69. Definitely. One of those loss-loss predicaments.

Like the Iraq Resolution just before the 2002 midterms elections. Watch the Repubs try to attach a poison pill again just to stick it in.

[Tellurian]

72. Well, No- Kerry can ask special provisions be written into the bill. Like.

an itemized accounting of previous monies spent on:

....Indy defense Contractors

....Logistics

....Military Personal's safety equipment

....New and IMPROVED Heavy armaments containing
steel reinforced floors and sides.

Kerry is an old player at this game.

I think he's already proven himself the best choice we have against Bush.

I liked Dean. But with all the new developments, Dean

would have been out of his depth at this point in time.

[Yavin4]

25. In A Related Story, Halliburton Just Posted A $25 Billion Revenue Increase

Coincidence? Naaaah.

[yardwork]

43. You're kidding!!

They don't even care that we know that they are thieves. They're thumbing their noses at the American people.

When will the freepers figure out that they have been had?

Welcome to DU to everyone new on this thread!

[Politicub]

51. Ignorance is bliss to the freeps

I don't even know what those fools stand for anymore. If it's big republican government, they should just say so. Bush could throw all of his base into an Iraqi prison in a big naked pile, and they would come running back to meekly ask their master for some more.

Or, the other theory is that Bush has taken on an aura of the divine to them. To the GOP sheep, voicing disagreement with Bush is akin to blaspheming God herself.

What is exhausting about the whole mess is that the GOP is so efficient at the talking point. I don't want to raise Hillary's vast right wing conspiracy accusation again, but this latest round of ads and tv appearances by the GOP (with the Kerry as 'troubling' theme) does seem to be extremely coordinated amongst the Bush campaign, the GOP, the right wing talk show hosts, and the chorus of GOP apologists. Goebbels understood the effectiveness of the big lie. The Bush administration and the GOP are perfecting the use of it.

And Bush's supporters go along with it. Never once considering what kind of world they are leaving to their children. They simply don't care. Other than a shrill hatred for people and things different from themselves, what else drives the GOP base?

[saskatoon]

64. Aura of the divine.

how right you are. Beware of anyone who says, thinks he is chosen by God to be president and leader of the world AND I heard him say that on tv.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

46. is that sarcasm?

[Yavin4]

48. Yes, It's Sarcasm

I think.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. LOL...it is quite plausable

[NMDemDist2]

55. are you kidding?? wouldn't that be too good to be true eom

[Emboldened Chimp]

26. "The torture in Iraq was abhorrent...oh, and I need $25 billion"

Can this be anymore transparent?

[tom_paine]

28. Well, I would guess at least $20 billion of that wound up in Cayman Island

Bank Accounts.

$500,000,000 went (illegally) to the Imperial SS Forces and their Little Police Riot in Miami.

Who the hell knows which Busheviks stole what amount of the rest, nor how much the tiny fraction of actual monies that went to where they were intended?

[Doosh]

29. a billion here, a billion there

folks, we're talking about real money now.

[NMDemDist2]

56. welcome to DU Doosh

:hi:

[laruemtt]

30. i suggest the turdwad

start doubling up on his fundraising. we're all tapped out....

[napi21]

32. Do I understand this right?

WH says they didn't anticipate the additional troops needed in Iraq, so they need an additional $25 Billion.

Now, I heard we're adding 45,000 troops to Iraq, but we're bringing 25,000 back, so........$25 Billion divided by 20,000 troops? That's $1,250,000 per person!

Did they get one heck of a BIG RAISE? Gee, I knew they were trying to increase enlistments, but for that amount, even though I'm 60, I think I'll run down to my friendly recruiter!

[catmandu57]

33. They played a clip of the moron* on morning sedition

dissing President Kerry, saying he already had a trillion dollars in new programs planned. Now the moron* didn't say what programs or what the money was for, but, this fucking idiot wants to pour blood and treasure down a fucking rathole.
FUCK YOU MORON*
He didn't mention that we had a record surplus just three years ago and now we have record deficits.

[Tracer]

35. It isn't $1 Billion a month, it's $4 Billion!

And since it was announced that troops will stay in Iraq at least until the end of 2005, 17 months worth of pouring money down this s***hole will cost $68,000,000,000!

[Wind Dancer]

36. It will never end!

This WH has gone mad - so glad to know my tax money is being spent well.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

38. FrustratedDemInNC welcome to DU & yes there is an insane madman in the WH

:scared:

[Wind Dancer]

61. Thank you , ElsewheresDaughter

Glad to be here!

[0007]

37. Cough cough er, we gotta pay thos civilan contractors from

Black Water, 'eh?

Bring the troops home and send junior and his cabal to the Hague.

[meti57b]

40. OUT OF IRAQ, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jtb33]

41. It's a ploy...

You see, if he doesn't get approval (which will probably be the case, no?), then when we have to withdraw from Iraq, BushCo can blame the resulting chaos in Iraq from the fact that "Kerry and the Senate" didn't allow him to "go the distance" in Iraq. Then it also removes the stumbling block of our troops in Iraq. Hmmm... just rambling here.

[Goldmund]

44. One thing baffles me...

Why didn't they announce this on Friday evening?

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. All bad news are announced on Friday (eom)

[JohnOneillsMemory]

73. Grouping the bad news so one distracts from the other.

They can say, 'gee, we want to improve the situation over there and the responsible thing to do is spend all our money on Iraq. If you don't approve it then you are depriving the troops of what they need.'

With everyone gawking in horror at the torture factory, spending all our money is hardly noticable in comparison. Better get the pundit flaming out of the way before the convention in September.

[proud patriot]

45. Don't Give It To Him ,,,He must come Clean Imediately

Rummy Must resign , private mercinaries must
get the hell out of Iraq so our soldiers can
get proper equipment , A full accounting of
projected costs , Contractors must hire Iraqi's .

What else can you think of?

[goobergunch]

53. I call FILIBUSTER

I know it won't happen, but Dems should filibuster this when it gets to the Senate, and talk about everything everybody else has said on this thread.

Congress has already given Bush* a virtually blank check on the war. It's time they stopped giving him the money - because without money, there has to be some sort of pullout that would at least begin.

[liarliartieonfire]

58. Wonder what the feedback will be from the Senate & House

Constituents back home in their voting districts.

People are effing fed up with all of this.

A Dem House & Senate appears more favorable all the time.

President Kerry needs to attack this piece before george has a chance to use it against him.

[maddezmom]

59. here's Hastert's press release...haven't seen one from the Dems yet

WASHINGTON, May 5 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Speaker J. Dennis Hastert released the following statement regarding the President's request for additional funding for the War on Terror:


"I spoke to the President earlier today regarding fiscal year 2005 funding for our troops as they fight the war on terror. I told him that I will do everything I can to support our troops and his request for additional '05 funding."


"After the September 11th attacks, the President said that the war on terror would long, difficult, and at times messy. He was right, and we are now involved in a world-wide conflict, from Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites), to other parts of the globe."


"We have no choice but to support our President and our troops at this critical time."


"This request comes as no surprise to me or to many of my colleagues. Budget Chairman Jim Nussle included $50 billion dollars in a reserve fund for next year's budget in anticipation of such a request, and Armed Services Chairman Duncan Hunter has already begun marking up an authorization bill that tracks closely with the President's request."


"I believe the Congress will strongly support the President's request and support our troops as they fight this vitally important war against terrorists."




http://www.usnewswire.com/

[Kadie]

60. This will bite bushie in the but

He promised everyone that the Iraqi oil would pay for this fiasco. Now, $87billion later he wants another $25billion. This on top of heavy casualties and the whole mess with the torture photos. Not too mention that one person after another is starting to speak up about all the lies this administration has told. People are going to say enough is enough.

Maybe? :shrug:

[SOS]

62. Let's see....

$396 billion War Department FY 2003
$75 billion Iraq supplement
$87 billion Iraq supplement
$25 billion Iraq supplement

Comes to $583 billion in one year.

Interesting fact: The total receipts of individual Federal income taxes for FY 2003 was $789 billion.

[TheWebHead]

63. this is completely being done because it's ammo against Kerry

they would have waited post-election otherwise. If he votes for it, they'll say he's a flip-flopper. If he votes against, they'll say he's against supporting our troops.

[progressivebydesign]

65. Bush was planning to ask AFTER the election...

.. he KNEW we needed the money for his quagmire.. but he planned to wait until after November. Well.. turns out he would be leaving the troops unpaid, etc., to further himself poltically. I guess he got overruled, and has to ask for the money. I guess he hopes that Kerry will vote against it, so he can villify him once again.

I want my money back..

[rocktivity]

66. Short on cash, Georgie?

FIRE THE MERCENARIES! They're making what the soliders are, and their families are lining up at food banks!

:headbang:
rocknation

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

67. DISTRACTION Technique...torture story provides cover for $25B request

Call me synical, but I don't think it's any coincidence that the $25B request comes out right in the middle of a very distracting torture story.

Look, look, little lemmings at the shiney and salacious object over there...

JB

[KamaAina]

68. War in Iraq: 87 billion dollars. More war in Iraq: 25 billion dollars.

Tickets to President Kerry's Inaugural Ball on 1/20/05: Priceless.

[4_Legs_Good]

70. LMAO

:)

[maddezmom]

71. MoveOn or another 527 should use this for an Ad.

:)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

80. this woyuld make a great poster!

[WLKjr]

74. Deficits????

We don't have no freaking deficits!!!!!!

I wish I could borrow money like the WH thinks it can. but wait, it is my money.:wtf: :mad:

[T_i_B]

75. BBC article

Thank goodness I found this thread and didn't dupe! :-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3688449.stm

US President George Bush has asked for an extra $25bn for military costs in Iraq and Afghanistan, reversing a previous spending pledge.

In a statement, the White House cited "recent developments on the ground and increased demands on our troops" as the reasons for the request.

[DustMolecule]

78. Adding another VERY IMPORTANT paragraph

from the article you are citing:

He says Wednesday's statement - which hints that the White House will be asking for more money later - is an about-face likely to provoke a further row.

(for those that don't click on the link - everybody needs to know this part, imho)

[Earth_First]

77. "Let me see, where'd that blank checkbook go? HERE IT IS..."

"And how much will you be needing this time *?"

[mouse7]

79. Hey, do you know what it costs to run a fraternity these days? n/t