WP: Prisoner Abuse Probe Widened

[kskiska]

Military Intelligence at Center of Investigation

Sunday, May 2, 2004; Page A01

BAGHDAD, May 1 -- The deputy commander of the U.S. Army's intelligence force is leading an investigation into interrogation practices at an Army-run prison where Iraqi detainees were allegedly beaten and sexually abused, officials announced Saturday. The move came amid allegations that military guards abused prisoners at the behest of military intelligence operatives.

A soldier accused of abusing prisoners at the Abu Ghraib facility wrote to his family last December that military intelligence officers were pleased with how the Iraqis were being treated, according to correspondence provided by the soldier's family.

"We have had a very high rate with our style of getting them to break," the soldier, Staff Sgt. Ivan L. "Chip" Frederick II, wrote in a Dec. 18 e-mail released by Frederick's uncle. "They usually end up breaking within hours."

(snip)

Karpinski also described a high-pressure atmosphere that prized successful interrogations. A month before the alleged abuses occurred, she said, a team of military intelligence officers from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, came to Abu Ghraib last year. "Their main and specific mission was to get the interrogators -- give them new techniques to get more information from detainees," she said.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59750-2004May1.html

[xray s]

1. Bush was desperate for any WMD info he could get

I think he set the tone to do whatever necessary to get info. It all filtered down from the top.

Bush's war. Bush's shame.

[Cloud]

2. I agree

It was not just this one isolated incident. I have been reading lots of DU threads and this could have been going on for as long as a year. I wonder how high up it goes and who knew about it?

[Just Me]

3. It's becoming increasingly apparent the "chain" knew,...didn't care.

"Winning" the occupation within a political framework was a way, way higher priority.

[Lugnut]

7. The head of the fish stinks

Therefore the whole fish stinks.

[TahitiNut]

10. Is it any wonder that the Busholini Cabal's total failure to comprehend ..

... "honor" (not to mention "duty" and "country") would lead them to so obscenely dishonor these human beings?

[Frances]

4. And they still didn't find WMDs?

[diamond14]

5. Guantanamo Bay interrogators taught the techniques....OMG.....

bush* has created a nightmare from hell....


OUR soldiers have turned into nazi-SS...tormenting and killing POW's

OUR own citizens are enthralled with the tormenting and thrilled with the killing...

OUR POWs are endangered....

OUR mission is destroyed....

OUR country is endangered....


get bush* out of the White House...elect Kerry....work hard NOW to take back our country....
www.JohnKerry.com

[IndianaGreen]

9. And their former commander at Guantanamo is now in charge of investigation

FUBAR all around!

[0007]

14. CIA said they are cleared of any connecting evidence, LOL!!

"A spokesman for the Central Intelligence Agency said Saturday that its inspector general is working with the Pentagon to determine whether the CIA was involved in the abuses, which have drawn international attention. "We are opposed to abusing prisoners in Iraq, and we have found no direct evidence connecting CIA personnel with incidents" of abuse, the spokesman said."

[nolabels]

17. Somebody probably did another > end around>

Consulted with the another secret agency like the NSA or something to create "The OFFICE OF SPECIAL INTEVEIWS"

The Heretic’s Fork



With the four sharp points rammed deep into the flesh under the chin and into the bone of the sternum, the fork prevented all movement of the head and allowed the victim only to murmur, in a barely audible voice, “abiuro” (“I recant”, engraved on one side of the fork). If instead he still refused, and if the Inquisition was the Spanish one, he was held to be an “impenitent heretic” and, dressed in the characteristic costume, was led to the stake, but with the consolation of the sacrament if extreme unction; if instead it was the Papal Inquisition, he was hanged or burnt, without the benefit of the pretty costume but still with that of proper Christian rites.
(SNIP)

http://www.torture-museum.com/heretic-fork.htm

[boobooday]

6. This was obviously condoned

By people above those who committed the actual abuse. There were apparently "civilians" involved who won't be charged because they are "civilians." Mercenaries?

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[dArKeR]

8. All sickness leads to Bush! I know this in my heart. Bush directly gave

the orders. Bush is psychotic. Now Cheney is figuring out a way to cover it all up.

[leQ]

11. i think it's the other way around

cheney's using 'the kid'

[dArKeR]

18. I don't think so. There are 5 years of taped TV history of Junior talking

about death. You can see how his eyes light up when he speaks of death. Junior enjoys sadistic acts and torture.

[bluedeminredstate]

12. This makes me sick!

WE should be the country that is the watchdog for the Geneva Conventions. This human rights disaster puts all Americans at risk.
How can Chimpy pontificate about Daniel Pearl - horrific, yes - when we treat fellow human beings as worthless trash? It's a little hollow when you hear his "Christian" platitudes and see how it really works...

[leftchick]

13. I think they should ask wolfowitz what he saw when he was there....

I wonder if he gave any torture tips....



U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, center left, accompanied by U.S. Brig Gen. Janice Karpinski, left, tours Iraq (news - web sites)'s Abu Ghraib prison on the outskirts of the capital Baghdad in this July 20, 2003 file photo. Images were shown on America's CBS television programme ' 60 Minutes II ' on Wednesday April 28 , 2004 which allegedly showed abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. military police at the Abu Ghraib prison late

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. Or they could ask Rummie what he saw

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/04/30/briefingrumsfeld,0.jpg

[Norquist Nemesis]

16. CSPAN having open phones call in on this now

at least at the www.CSPAN.org site...I'm not sure about TV.

Some of the the blind are putting in their 2cents, of course. Lady on now is excoriating them and the American media for "bombarding the American public for anything that will hurt America." :puke:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

19. This stands out....

"A month before the alleged abuses occurred, she said, a team of military intelligence officers from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, came to Abu Ghraib last year."

Okay DUers, remember a few months ago there was a report from a detainee who had been held at GITMO that described some of the interrogation abuse he underwent there, including (if I remember correctly) something about women being used in his sexual humilation.

At that time, many here totally blew it off, saying it was simply not possible. Others said not so fast.

With what we've seen in Iraq and the information that GITMO intelligence offices found their way to Abu Ghraib, I'm thinking that GITMO detainee's allegations may not be so farfetched after all.

:mad: