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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 03:46 PM
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Officials: Calif. Parents Asked Man to Beat Child
Source: ABC News via Associated Press

An Irvine couple who suspected their 15-year-old son of smoking turned to a man believed to be relied on in their church to violently discipline children, authorities said.

The parents asked Paul Kim, 39, to discipline their son after finding a lighter in his possession, dropping the boy off at Kim's Chino Hills home with permission for the beating, San Bernardino County sheriff's spokesperson Cindy Bachmann said Saturday.

Kim hit the child with a metal pole about a dozen times, causing severe bruising on his legs, according to Bachmann. The pole was about an inch in diameter, investigators said.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/officials-calif-pare...
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 03:51 PM
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1. I am really curious who reported the incident to the police.nt
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 03:59 PM
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2. An adult at his school called the police
after seeing the bruises on his legs.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:11 PM
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7. thank you
I read the article and somehow missed that paragraph.
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:00 PM
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3. Per the article
"An adult at the boy's school saw the bruises and called Irvine police, who in turn informed San Bernardino County officials, she said"
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:01 PM
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4. Adult at the child's school saw the bruises and did what the law
requires them to do. They called the police.

Anyone know what denomination this church is? Sick.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:32 PM
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9. I'm guessing from the area and the name "Kim" it is a Korean Fundie church
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 04:33 PM by BeHereNow
I lived next door to a couple for a few years that went to one
of the many Korean churches in California.
Can you say "Cult?"
Some of them are so over the top it makes
the anglo-fundies look normal.

Trust me- they had some weird shit going on in that house.
BHN
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 06:54 PM
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16. "The Korean Evangelical Church of America"
I dated a girl in college who came from a family into that, I thought I had seen it all fundie bullshit wise growing up in the shadow of the crystal cathedral.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 07:14 PM
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17. ""Kim" it is a Korean Fundie church"
I wonder if this is how Kim Jong Il got his start?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 07:24 PM
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19. No. Not quite, but close.
Kim Jong Il suffered from massive head trauma as a child. Whether it's from some sort of auto accident (Kim il-Sung loved cars, but he couldn't drive for shit) or he was dropped on his head I don't know, but after he got knocked around some he turned into what he is.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:08 PM
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5. Well...WTF!
...the child beater from the CHURCH, eh?

Nice church.

No wonder I'm so non-religious...Sorry but time and time again, we find crooks, liars,
perverts, child beaters and molesters hiding behind a "church".

None for me thank you.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:28 PM
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23. Yep, same here. Churches/religion are often used as a cover IMO for some
very nasty stuff. Often IMO it allows the haters to congregate.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:10 PM
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6. "...San Bernardino County District Attorney's
office was reviewing the sheriff's department report and will decide whether to charge the teen's father..."

A parent can PAY someone to beat his child and it's OK?
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:28 PM
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8. They didn't have the balls to abuse the kid themselves so
they hired a hit-man? Or were they too lazy? Or did they think "if someone else does it, it's not abuse"?

I got a clue for them: if the kid's wearing bruises, it's abuse no matter WHO inflicts it.

Cheez and crackers. Sooooooo many levels of wrong.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 06:08 PM
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14. There's nothing "balls"-y about beating a child.
It is totally an act of cowardice whether done oneself or hired out.
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 06:49 PM
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15. Exactly. n/t
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 07:45 PM
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20. Exactly! This is a case of pure laziness on the parent's part.
What, they are so busy with their precious careers and their own lives that they can not even take the time to beat the crap out of their own kids? What is this world coming too?
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:59 PM
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27. Sadism is more like it.
How sick is that? To have somebody beat YOU KID? Throw them in jail too!
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 05:07 PM
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10. What is this world coming to? Then they act surprised when their kids turns out to be a punk.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 07:56 AM
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37. This, + Infinity.
Why can't some people wake the f*** up and realize the damn truth? Beating kids has NEVER made model citizens. In fact, all it has done is to the contrary, as in creating more mental patients, filling up our prisons, etc........
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 05:11 PM
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11. people in the Middle Ages used to hire people like this all the time.
Every town had it's "professional child beater". They used to hang their sign out, next to the shoemaker and cobbler.
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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 06:00 PM
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12. where I served in West Africa there was a man
who dressed up in a very scary costume once a year and went around the village beating any woman whose husband had not beaten her during the past year.

This beating of people is a horror, I could not take watching this. I came to hate that woman beating culture with such a vengeance. And I hate hearing about this in the Korean culture as well. My brother-in-law who worked in a Korean High School said that the teachers regularly beat the kids there, that the parents expected the teachers to do this.

I hope that in time, worldwide, these dominating behaviors die out.

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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-11 07:58 AM
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38. And people wonder why certain countries have so many social problems...
...although to be perfectly honest, certain of these problems in West Africa were largely introduced by Western colonialism.......
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 06:07 PM
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13. When violence is used against children it is "discipline", against adults it is assault
People who believe beating kids is discipline are the worst form of pond scum on Earth.
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Ed Suspicious Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 07:20 PM
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18. If the smoking don't killem the beatings will. What idiots! n/t
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 07:52 PM
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21. I'm an atheist and not generally pro-religion
but a church should be a safe haven or sanctuary for a child. In this instance the church is, if not the primary instigator, at least partially responsible.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 07:53 PM
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22. omg. where do people get these crazy ideas?!?!?! n/t
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:30 PM
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24. from church
(...)

Investigators believe Kim has been used in this way by other families in the congregation, and asked for victims and witnesses to come forward.

The name of the church was not released but Bachman said it was located in La Habra.


(...)
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:58 PM
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26. The Church should be investigated then if they're promoting violence
toward children. Really. Who cares if they say it's religion?
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:57 PM
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25. They haven't arrested the parents?!
NO NO NO NO NO!!!! You don't get to do that! Oh my gosh. People are NUTS!
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musical_soul Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 10:30 PM
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35. They're waiting to see.....
if the dad was there at the time. I say it shouldn't matter if they're admitting to it. However, a lawyer will go into whether the parents knew how far the guy would take it. Well, if he came home with all of those bruises and they didn't report it, it's at least accessory after the fact.
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athenasatanjesus Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:04 PM
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28. Gee,I wonder what could have driven this kid into smoking.
Perhaps something to do with his home life.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:18 PM
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29. That should be like murder for hire
i.e. they are just as guilty as the man who wielded the metal pole (!!!). :grr: :banghead:
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:18 PM
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30. Well come on Christians. Step up to the plate and condemn this "church".
You won't, because virtually every sect has some practices which others consider unacceptable (or even absolutely abominable) and to condemn one, opens you ALL up to condemnation by others.

At best, we get a lackluster "They're not true Christians". BULLSHIT! Virtually every person I know who actually FOLLOWS the teachings of Christ (or something resembling them) is an atheist or agnostic. Whilst virtually all the self declared Christians I know, care only to tell my how superior they are and DAMNED I am.


God gave man the power to DO wrong. Satan gave him the power to KNOW he was doing it. Um, explain to me again, why the first is the embodiment of good, and the second the epitomy of evil. Even the name Lucifer (light bringer) begs the question of: Which is which?
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:39 PM
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31. So glad the pervert got caught. Hope he gets jail time.
The parents need straightening out too.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:44 PM
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33. No kidding.
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 09:44 PM by woo me with science
I don't even want to think about what sort of person slides comfortably into the role of designated child beater for a church.
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:41 PM
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32. oh well....
although the parents were too chicken to do it. thats unfortunate. all he's gonna learn is some bad guy did it, not his parents and it won't solve anything. Metal end of the belts worse. That can get some blood going.... and from what I've heard it was either the tennis racket or one of those big fat red plastic baseball bats that grandpa nailed dad with. But rather harsh for a lighter. But then again.. I had tight clothing on in church and was never quit comfortable down there. I guess they thought I was possessed by the devil for masterbating in church which I wasn't.. messed me up for life. have severe OCD
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:49 PM
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34. The church messed me up also
I lived in a catholic orphanage when I was little and the nuns were always beating on us. I still have nightmares. Needless to say, I raised a beautiful, smart boy and never once spanked or raised a hand to him. I have had drug problems in the past - but that is now behind me.
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iemitsu Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 11:17 PM
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36. churchs are about social control.
"spare the rod spoil the child".
it is sad to see this methodology employed but not unusual.
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-11 08:27 PM
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39. Slightly off-topic here, but....
Why is a 15-year-old beating victim called a "boy", while a 15-year-old rape victim is often called a "woman"?

I don't object to the use of "boy" in this article, but I always object to stories that call teen rape victims "women"--they're girls. :cry:

That said, it's not just Korean evangelicals who think this way...Asians say their parenting style is "strict"...but it's actually abusive and psychotic. (And I say this as someone who loves almost all other aspects of Asian culture.)
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