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survivorista Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:05 PM
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Pa. liquor board pulls ad on heavy drinking, rape
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 07:06 PM by survivorista
Source: AP

PITTSBURGH (AP) An ad meant to warn young adults about the links between heavy drinking and rape has been pulled by Pennsylvania's Liquor Control Board.

Critics said it was another example of suggesting victims are to blame for rape.

The ad featured an image of a woman's legs on a bathroom floor with her underwear pulled down to her ankles, and the words: "She didn't want to do it, but she couldn't say no."

Stacey Witalec, a spokeswoman for the Liquor Control Board, said the online ad was part of a broader campaign that began a few months ago on the website ControlTonight.com. She said there was both criticism and support for the ad, but the board decided to pull it Wednesday evening.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j11PI...



This is a link to the poster in question> <img id="pop-image" alt="" src="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5jth1yxo... ">

The problem I have is that IF you read the small print, you get the overall point, but if you're just reading the large print, it suggests that "oh, she just couldn't help herself and gave in to her desire to be 'taken'."
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:08 PM
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1. I'm so glad. That was a poor poster. It was total victim-blaming, and made rape look sexy as hell.
I'm very glad to hear they've pulled it.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:09 PM
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2. I disagree with the fundamental premise
That coaching young women to avoid drinking to unconsciousness is tantamount to excusing the victimization that often results.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 12:01 AM
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17. I hope these guys never took drivers ed in California
The videos used back then would have these guys in a real tizzy, especially the video about safety tips to prevent being carjacked. That is of course assuming their sensitivity about perceived "blaming the victim" extends to other sorts of crimes.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:11 PM
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3. Good
Someone posted that they were doing this earlier... I forget who... But their link had contact info and I sent them a nasty email. WTF were they thinking, just a nasty nasty ad.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:24 PM
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4. So indefensible they had to be SHAMED into pulling it!
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:25 PM
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5. I dunno, I don't really agree that it's blaming the victim.
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 07:28 PM by Xithras
I think that some advocates confuse vulnerability with blame.

If I leave my doors unlocked and the windows open on my home, the odds that my house will be robbed increases simply because I'm an easier target. I'm not at fault if my house gets robbed, I don't deserve to be robbed, and I share no blame for being robbed. The fault for the robbery lays solely with the guy who walked into my house and stole my TV. Still, by failing to secure my home, the odds of becoming a victim did go up a bit.

I see rape the same way, and I think that's the point this alcohol board so failingly tried to make. Women are never at fault for rapes, but women can certainly place themselves in situations that increase its likelihood, and increase their vulnerability. Sleep naked on a park bench, and you're more vulnerable to rape than a person sleeping behind a locked door. Get drunk, and you're more vulnerable than a sober person. That's just reality.

Rapists are predators, and predators of all types are looking for the easiest prey. To a rapist, a drunk woman is a more vulnerable, and therefore more attractive, target than a sober woman. The more inebriated you are, the more vulnerable you become to predators. Stating that doesn't place fault on rape victims, but is recognizing that reality. A womans wits are often her best defense against rape, and by getting drunk to the point where those wits are compromised, her ability to recognize and avoid potentially dangerous people and situations is also compromised. Predators know this, and they exploit this to their own advantage.

The problem, of course, is educating young women about these risks without being offensive. How do you say, "If you get too drunk, you're increasing the odds that you may be a victim", without actually crossing the "blame the victim" line?
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Remember Me Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 09:03 PM
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11. Don't look now,
but your argument is just a really sweet, gentle, soft-touch sort of way of ....










....BLAMING THE VICTIM.

Still, by failing to secure my home, the odds of becoming a victim did go up a bit.

So the target here (you) is in some small way a part of the problem, and help bring on y our own robbery since burglars will be burglars and all.

The problem, of course, is educating young women about these risks without being offensive. How do you say, "If you get too drunk, you're increasing the odds that you may be a victim", without actually crossing the "blame the victim" line?

Well, how 'bout we educate young MEN about the problem, instead of suggesting to young women -- well, all women -- that we must adjust and narrow and circumscribe OUR lives to make allowances for the behavior of predators? Why must OUR lives be made smaller instead of the predators' lives? How 'bout we create a society where women are fully equal and don't have to watch where they go, who they're with, what and how much they drink, what they wear and everything else? One half of the human race is holding the other half in a form of terrorism!

How 'bout we create a society where NO ONE is a target for rape??
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:05 PM
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14. Because you have to deal with TODAYS threats while working for a better TOMORROW
We teach our youth that stealing is wrong. We stiffen the sentences for stealing, and repeatedly hammer home the fact that taking things from others is evil. Someday we'll eliminate the cultural elements that drive theft, and our world will be a better place. And yet, for now, there are thieves walking the streets, so we all have locks on our doors and windows.

We teach our youth that drunk driving is wrong. We try to convince people not to drink heavily, and incarcerate those who do. Some day cars will be smart enough that they'll refuse to move when their drivers are drunk, and DUI's will be eliminated. And yet, for now, there are drunk drivers on the roads, so we wear our seatbelts, drive cars with airbags, and keep an eye out for weavers.

We teach our young men that rape is wrong. We constantly hammer home the fact that rape is one of the most evil crimes a man can commit, and lock away those who commit it. Maybe, with persistence, we'll eliminate rape one day, and the women of this world can walk the streets safely. In the meantime, there are predators walking the streets, so we teach our daughters to recognize the threats, and to avoid situations where they are more likely to be victimized.

I agree with you that we need to build a society where nobody is a target for rapists, but until that happens, I will not apologize for teaching my daughter about the importance of avoiding actions and situations that might put her at risk. In my book, warning my daughter to avoid getting drunk in bars full of strangers is no different than telling her to always wear her seatbelt, or to avoid counting her cash while standing at the ATM machine, or to just hand her purse over to an armed thief when it's demanded, because nothing in that bag is worth her life.

There's a fundamental difference between "blaming the victim", and reminding women that there are monsters in this world who would harm them without a second thought, and offering advice to help them avoid being a victim in the first place.
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Charlemagne Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:43 PM
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6. I havent seen the ad
So I cant really speak whether it was tasteful or not. That being said, Ive been in plenty of talks and lectures with undergrads where we go over the dangers of binge drinking. The women's studies profs and some folks from the Women's Resource Center do a great job of discussing drinking and sexual assault, date rape, all that.

So I dont think stating as such is blaming the victim, it just reminds people to be smart and not get in such a situation where you cant defend yourself. However I havnt seen the ad.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 08:14 PM
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8. it's to the right of the article at the link
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Charlemagne Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 08:18 PM
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10. ah ok
waaaaaaaaaaaaay to sexy to get the point across. It looks like an ad for vodka or an album cover or something. I see the point in not liking it.
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Remember Me Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 09:09 PM
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12. Now, THIS is why many feminists and others call this a rape culture
SOMEone -- or really a lot of someones -- created that ad and a lot MORE someones approved it.

And NONE OF THEM "got it" going in that their creation and the ad they approved was sexy (and basically pro-rape or if not, trivialized it greatly) instead of serving as a cautionary warning.

You have to think about the mindset of all these people who thought it would be okay for the designated purpose.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 09:12 PM
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13. agree about the way too sexy---should have shown the binge drinking reality
Not sexy at all, usually a lot of disarry and vomit around.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:18 PM
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 08:12 PM
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7. the facts are that in most rapes, the perps are people the victims know & alcohol/drugs play a role
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 08:16 PM by wordpix
Also, the use of date rape drugs play only a very small percentage of rapes; most of the alcohol/drugs were voluntarily consumed.

The fact is that women who drink/drug in excess are more likely to be victimized. The ad could have been better.

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 08:14 PM
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9. GOOD!
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:44 PM
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16. graphically discouraging binge drinking is not "blaming the victim"
This is an issue from which hyper sensitivity by a loud minority of ideologues makes any constructive public discussion impossible since it seems we have reached a point that ANY suggestion of self-preservation, such as... not drinking yourself unconscious has been transformed into a rape culture communique by the hetero-patriarchy.

Hell, the posters on this subject the Take Back The Night crew put up when I was in college would bring down the wrath of the Erinyes around here as they would all be considered blaming the victim, rather than the most elementry steps anybody might take to avoid harm.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:09 AM
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:17 AM
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19. Completely distasteful. Horrible strategy for getting their point across.
Just plain stupid.
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