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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 10:18 PM
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NYT: Administration Says a `Zone of Autonomy' Justifies Its Secrecy on Ene
WASHINGTON, April 24 The Bush administration's effort before the Supreme Court to shield the names of private citizens who helped devise its energy policy might appear on the surface unrelated to its defense, in cases also before the court, of the detention of those the administration has classified as enemy combatants.

But the legal arguments are strikingly similar, projecting a vision of presidential power in both war and peace as far-reaching as any the court has seen and posing important questions of the constitutional separation of powers.

Just as the administration is arguing in the detainee cases for the exercise of presidential authority without judicial interference in policies related to the war on terrorism, it is making sweeping claims in the energy case for the existence of a constitutionally protected "zone of autonomy" for presidential advice received in the ordinary course of proposing legislation.

(snip)

As its primary argument, the administration asserts that the order permitting pretrial discovery is based on a mistaken interpretation of the Federal Advisory Committee Act, a 1972 law at the center of the dispute over how the task force conducted its business.

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http://nytimes.com/2004/04/25/politics/25SCOT.html
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 10:23 PM
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1. They will apply the same "zone" to the counting of electoral votes
in November. They will tell us the vote count is related to national security.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:17 PM
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2. "zone of autonomy" = Twilight zone of autonomy
A dimension of lies.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:21 AM
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6. sounds like a quote from Saddam
:crazy:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:46 PM
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3. The court will rule in Cheney's favor. They own Scalia
and everyone knows it.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:50 PM
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4. CHECKS AND BALANCES, you motherfucking traitors.
If you don't balance your desire to rule by fiat against your chances of survival when enough people get pissed off to revolt, then it's check - and mate.

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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:26 AM
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5. What's wrong with complete transparency? And, accountability?
I mean Bush is such a wonderful Christian and noble person, he shouldn't care at all if people know about his doing in office...right?

The Supreme Court is the only thing standing between our current system and Chimp Boy's Fascist State.

JB
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:56 AM
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7. Remember K.Starr searching Chelesa Clinton's
underwear drawers at the White House. Geez! Cheney & bush are probably going to get away with this as they do everything.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:39 AM
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8. The Regime presumes to argue the Constitution?!?!?!
My irony meter just exploded. My head wants to be next.

:freak:
dbt
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:55 AM
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9. but, it's 'public policy' they were supposedly working on
"While 15 organizations concerned with the environment or with access to information have joined briefs supporting the plaintiffs, the administration has attracted not a single "friend of the court." That seems odd, given that the administration is hardly without friends. But it is perhaps explainable in the culture of Washington, where any group that might be inclined to help an incumbent administration protect its secrets knows that the next time, with a different party in power, its interests might best be served by being first in line to pry the secrets loose."


if Cheney wins this ... it's another sad day in American history

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 08:19 AM
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10. This is a joke!
So this administration, is into "self-rule" and to hell with the government. Which is suppose to be the people by the people for the people

ZONE of AUTONOMY is for only the shadowy secretive society of the controlling crime cabal.

Who dreams up this goddamm shit?
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:08 AM
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11. This case is not going too well
Sounds like the administration dropped the ball procedurally by failing to make timely and specific objections and assertions of privilege.

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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:12 AM
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12. No right to privacy, but they can find a 'zone of autonomy'...
in our constitution? These guys really have things backwards.

Rush Limbaugh found a right to privacy after he was busted. Republicans are turning the US into a banana republic.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:29 AM
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13. Kerry should be hammering on issues like this in his speeches...
His commercials should include web addresses to be researched for documented information.

And at the same time encouraging avid public scrutiny of USSC decisions. After all, almost everyone has a computer. Put them to work and let them learn for themselves, through the internet, the Truth!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:55 AM
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14. kick~
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