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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:05 PM
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Bush confers on Fallujah with top military commanders
Edited on Sat Apr-24-04 09:11 PM by JoFerret
http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=1812091

Pentagon-AP -- A Pentagon source says tells The Associated Press President Bush has been given an update on the standoff in Fallujah (fuh-LOO'-juh), Iraq.

That's where thousands of insurgents are holed up with time running out to hand over heavy weapons.

A senior official says it is not clear when the top U-S commander in the region will decide when the waiting is over.

The official -- who asked not to be identified -- says General John Abizaid (AB'-ih-zayd) told the president in a teleconference that the Marines outside Fallujah are "ready to go."

And The New York Times is reporting that Bush and his senior advisers are expected to decide this weekend whether to invade Fallujah -- even at the risk of stirring up even more resentment by Iraqis.


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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:07 PM
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1. Now that has to be the most exciting thing those generals have
done in years.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:16 PM
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5. THE CHIMP and the photos



President George W. Bush (news - web sites) shakes hands with volunteers at the Rookery Bay National Estuarine Research Center in Naples, Florida, April 23, 2004. Bush stood by an order that no more photographs be released of flag-draped coffins returning from Iraq (news - web sites), a restriction critics say is aimed at sanitizing the war for the public. (Kevin Lamarque/Reuters)
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:33 PM
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14. Just look at those fucking sheep.
Sad. What a waste of one's life, to preen and gasp over a treasonous war criminal.

Pathetic.

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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:09 PM
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2. 3 more meetings expected needed for Bush to spell "Fallujah"
He's working on it, but those double consonants really give him trouble.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:09 PM
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3. what is this, a game show?
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:12 PM
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4. Do you seriously think Bush is "conferring"?
Oh please! This guy hasn't had an original thought in years!!!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:16 PM
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6. Let's hope that when Abizaid says..
..."Marines outside Fallujah are "ready to go.", Bush thinks he means HOME, where they should be.

What a lose-lose situation. I bet they destroy the village in order to save it, as the saying goes.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:24 PM
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7. Fearless leaders
OUR ALLEGED COMMANDER





The Honorable Chimpanzee McShrub

President George W. Bush (news - web sites) shakes hands with volunteers at the Rookery Bay National Estuarine Research Center in Naples, Florida, April 23, 2004. Bush stood by an order
that no more photographs be released of flag-draped coffins returning from Iraq (news - websites), a restriction critics say is aimed at sanitizing the war for the public. (KevinLamarque/Reuters)


His Quote:

After declaring on Friday evening in Florida that "America will never be run out of Iraq by a bunch of thugs and killers," Mr. Bush flew to Camp David for the weekend,



OUR SECRETARY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR



The Hon. Donald Von Rumsdumm

His Quote:

''Secretary Rumsfeld's comment that 'people are fungible' is further indication of this Administration's continuing disregard for the men and women who put their lives on the line
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:28 PM
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13. maybe the generals want the admin to take the fall?
by making the call on this round of carnage?

If we're gonna have a political war, let the pols take the fall, not the generals.
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 02:04 AM
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19. Bush is DIRECTLY responsible
for whatever happens in Fallujah.

That's how I read this.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:35 PM
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15. Skeletor looks like he's explaining the size of the Chimp's brain.
"No, it's smaller than a bread box..."

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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:36 PM
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8. Why are they "Insurgents" ???
Why are we killing these people? Just because they fight back? We label them "insurgents" (rebels) and that means it's OK to kill them? Hell NO! Not in my book. What we are doing in Fallujah is wrong. Reports are coming out saying that we are shelling buildings in a densely inhabited city, killing many innocents. The * administration condones this "collateral damage" as necessary. I think it's a massacre and a war crime. It's one thing to send AC-130 "Spooky" gunships against an army, and quite another to send them against an inhabited city. It's not right to kill innocents in order to get the "bad guys."

The rest of the world is watching, and they will hate us for these crimes. We are showing the world that we are thugs. This is real terrorism, not to mention a situation with no good outcome or objective.
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RaRa Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:27 PM
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12. Amen, porkrink
Every single time I hear that term , I think, gee anywhere else they'd be "freedom fighters" or "rebels". Ah, but in King George's realm, he who dares to question the King is an "insurgent".
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:40 PM
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16. ah but
they're fighting against freedom ;-)
to be rebels they would need to be fighting an Iraqi army
to be terrorists they would presumably need to be causing terror -
but our soldiers are too brave to get terrified.

to call them guerilla or insurgent works best in the dictionary if you work under the supposition that we are the good guys, but not so good as to actually be responsible for the protection of the residents.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:42 PM
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9. If Monkey boy
was given the 411 on this "Festering Nest" it gives me a really bad feeling about things there. I know that situtation there is very tense and tense leads to a little heavy on the trigger. I think that town is going to explode into a full scale violent uprising and i think it's gonna start spreading to other parts of Iraq.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:23 PM
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10. If Bush is conferring
That means the wrong decision is about to be made.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 02:33 AM
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20. The decision's made: they're going to do it
Does anyone seriously doubt this? This is proto-masculinity at its worst: they can't back down, they can't lay siege and they can't allow prolonged negotiations.

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demoman123 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 03:04 AM
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21. Yes. If we are being told about this, then it has already been decided.
Edited on Sun Apr-25-04 03:05 AM by demoman123
Can you imagine the alternative? Headline: "Bush considered taking Fallujah, but...nah." :)
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:24 PM
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11. LBJ is that you?
another ghost of viet nam, LBJ brooding over Khe sahn
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Kinkistyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:14 AM
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17. Sadr vows to unleash suicide bombers if Fallujah attacked.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37925-20...

"Bremer's statements came the same day a rebellious Shiite cleric, Moqtada Sadr, threatened to launch suicide bombings if U.S. forces entered the holy city of Najaf, where he has taken refuge. "We will all be time bombs in the face of the enemy," Sadr told followers at Friday prayers."

The general concensus from Islamists and Middle East experts that a military invasion on Fallujah will blow the guerrilla insurgency wide open - Shiites will rise up to oppose the Occupiers, together with the Sunni's - once mortal enemies.

So of course Dumbya is going to approve an invasion. He'll probably do it by saying "OH HELL YEAH! BRING IT ON! YEEE-HAW!"
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:27 AM
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18. You have to wonder what sort of bullshit they are going
to dish out to weasel out of this. It's a lose-lose for
the occupation. You can predict more stalling, but what do
they do when they finally have to do something. Maybe a
disguised stall? Let's don't and say we did? Strategic
offensive back to Badhdad?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 08:24 AM
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22. The next 3 days are critical
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