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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 07:29 PM
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Woman told IRS she had 20 kids on same day
Source: SF Chron

A Livermore woman has been sentenced to 18 months in prison for bilking the government out of $302,000 by filing tax returns for relatives and friends claiming deductions for 20 nonexistent children, who she said were born to her on the same day.

Norma Coronel, 40, pleaded guilty Sept. 2 to three felony charges of fraud and stealing government property. She was sentenced Monday in Los Angeles by U.S. District Judge Manuel Real, who also ordered her to reimburse the Internal Revenue Service.

Between 2003 and early 2011, prosecutors said, Coronel obtained Social Security numbers for 20 children - claiming she had given birth to all of them at a Los Angeles hospital on Dec. 11, 2002. She used their identities to claim dependent deductions on tax returns she filed for family members and friends.


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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 07:36 PM
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1. a $30,000 a year scam
interesting story, but I predict it will get blown out of all proportion compared to its size.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 07:42 PM
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2. it could happen.
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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 07:46 PM
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3. That's not a birth
That's a litter.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:34 PM
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7. Extremely unlikely
Seven seems to be the limit for all to survive. Someone had eight, but one died. Another woman gave birth to nine, but all died shortly after birth. Another woman was carrying 12, but the pregnancy was lost before birth. Another conceived 15, the current record, but again, the pregnancy was lost before birth.

http://www.catalogs.com/info/bestof/the-most-babies-in-...

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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:23 PM
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24. You said: "seven seems to be the limit for all to survive"...
...and "Someone had eight, but one died".

Er, does the word "Octomom" ring a bell?

From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadya_Suleman

The octuplets celebrated their first birthday on January 26, 2010.

I'll agree however that 20 seems out of the question.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:00 PM
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15. No, it has never happened.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:30 PM
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17. ARE YOU SURE???


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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:38 PM
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18. yes
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:41 PM
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19. Are your fingers crossed?

(I'm enjoying our conversation too much to let go)
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 01:58 AM
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20. No, they are not.
Edited on Wed Dec-07-11 02:02 AM by Incitatus
I would bet my life that a human has never given birth to 20 babies at one time. The idea of it being a remote possibility is absurd and anyone who thinks so is about as bright as a creationist.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 08:17 AM
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23. ok, I'll take that bet!


(this is fun)



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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:07 PM
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4. It looks like she may be an illegal immigrant as well.
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:33 PM
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5. At least the Duggers spaced 'em out a little n/t
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 10:46 PM
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14. Bwahhhhhhhhhhhh!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:33 PM
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6. Stupid criminals never cease to amaze me.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:36 PM
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8. Gives us some idea of the lost tax revenues due to the Duggar family.
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 08:36 PM by Ilsa
Maybe there should be a limit on dependent deductions.

Besides, Micgelle Bachmann said EVERYONE should pay at least a little in federal income taxes. :-)
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 08:42 PM
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9. I've had days like that
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:01 PM
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10. Octomom? She's a punk ...
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:04 PM
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11. Does she drive a Cadillac, like Ronnie said? n/t
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:57 PM
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12. 18 months in prison
vs. $300 grand? hmmmm. doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent.
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Moosepoop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 10:36 PM
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13. She has to pay it back.
So she gets 18 months with nothing to show for it. I agree, though, that the prison sentence is surprisingly short.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:14 PM
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16. Octomom? Michelle Bachman" Mrs. Duggar? Too many Rethug nutters out there to guess accurately.
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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 07:04 AM
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21. It took the IRS 8 years to figure out she was lying?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 07:09 AM
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22. The IRS computers supposed are programmed to choke over change.
As in, when my father in law retired, he got audited three years in a row, after never having been audited. (His salary was not that high, either.)

So, 20 more kids in one day is not a big enough change to make the computer choke?
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