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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:14 PM
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Paul Says No to Trump Debate
Source: Time

Paul Says No to Trump Debate
Saturday, December 3, 2011

~snip~

ANKENY, Iowa The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign released the following statement concerning the selection of Donald Trump as moderator for the December 27th Republican debate to be held in Iowa. Below please find comments from Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton:

The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee rejects the selection of Donald Trump as moderator for the Republican presidential debate to be held on December 27th in Iowa.

We have conferred with our Iowa campaign chairman Drew Ivers and vice-chairmen David Fischer and A.J. Spiker who are all RPI State Central Committee Members, and they concur with this decision.

The selection of a reality television personality to host a presidential debate that voters nationwide will be watching is beneath the office of the Presidency and flies in the face of that offices history and dignity. Mr. Trumps participation as moderator will distract from questions and answers concerning important issues such as the national economy, crushing federal government debt, the role of the federal government, foreign policy, and the like. To be sure, Mr. Trumps participation will contribute to an unwanted circus-like atmosphere.

Read more: http://thepage.time.com/2011/12/03/paul-says-no-to-trum... /
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:16 PM
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1. Well that is some straight talk. Bolder than Huntsman.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:25 PM
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5. I thought Huntsman's flak told it like it was--who wants "The Donald's" money?
It will be a challenge to discern who will have their nose further up Trump's ass. Talk about a live train wreck!

Huntsmans press secretary Tim Miller tweeted Friday: We look forward to watching Mitt & Newt suck up to The Donald with a big bowl of popcorn.

The end result will be that Huntsman gains gravitas by avoiding Donald. That can only help him.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 05:45 AM
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87. LOL
Even the Republicons don't like each other or their values.
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icnorth Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:31 PM
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9. Paul is following Huntsman's lead and
this statement from Huntsman's Press Secretary about the Trump Dog and Pony show seems pretty straight forward to me:Tim Miller tweeted Friday: We look forward to watching Mitt & Newt suck up to The Donald with a big bowl of popcorn.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:37 PM
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13. Let then eat all of the popcorn they want. The wingnuts will never nominate Huntsman. n/t
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icnorth Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:05 PM
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21. Agree. Huntsman doesn't qualify as he probably recognizes
the Thomas Paine postulate: "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:50 PM
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72. Who knows? At some point, he may be the last one in the clown car.
They've been dropping like flies, only one at a time.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 06:43 AM
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88. Warren Harding was the last one in the clown car at his nomination
He did not arrive at the convention as a first tier candidate. He was a 2nd tier guy, and the ultimate compromise candidate.

It could happen....
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 05:26 AM
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86. They might nominate Huntsman
after the Newtster is thoroughly discredited.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 09:37 AM
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91. Of course I was using a slight bit of hyperbole when I said that they would "never"
nomination Huntsman. My point was that he is too sane for most of those crazies to put up with. I could see them even going with Santoram before Huntsman. And I hope I'm right. If they did nominate Huntsman he might have a better chance of winning since he is perceived to be more moderate. But in fact he is very conservative and would be a disaster if elected. He is pro life and has signed off on that no tax increase pledge just like the rest of them did. He is trying to appear more moderate simply as a campaign tactic so that he can be an alternative to the other crazies.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 12:27 PM
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94. Yeah. I can be believe the idiots
would actually prefer Santorum over Huntsman. Incredible. Either one would be a disaster. Just to be safe I think we better come up with some Huntsman and Santorum closet skeletons. :)
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 02:37 PM
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97. Do you happen to know when he signed it? Because he was refusing to sign it up until a month ago or
less.

I agree with everything else you say about Huntsman.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 02:46 PM
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99. I stand corrected and thanks for that. He did not sign Grover Norquist's pledge, however
in a Fox News Republican candidates debate held last August the debaters were asked "would you support a deficit reduction deal in which cuts exceed taxes by 10 -1?" Huntsman along with all of the others raised his hand to indicate that he would not.

http://blackstonetoday.blogspot.com/2011/08/republican-...

That's what I was thinking of but I didn't get it quite right.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:04 PM
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102. Again, I agree with all you say about Huntsman, but I might
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 03:32 PM by No Elephants
support a plan in which cuts exceeded taxes by ten to one also, if it were the right plan.

There is a hell of a lot of waste in government and programs that should, IMO, be terminated, not to mention wars that, IMO, should be terminated.

IOW, that is a vague and poorly phrased question. No matter which position one holds, one could have raised one's hand on that one.

However, again, I agree Huntsman is a very conservative candidate and therefore would be an undesirable POTUS.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #86
113.  thought the Ethics Committee had already handled the discrediting bit, along
with his own jaw-dropping explanation of why he cheated on two of three wives (and counting?).

Of course, there are all the lowdown ways he's made money since, but Rethugs never seem to mind their candidates making money, no matter how they make it.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 02:31 PM
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96. I don't doubt you at all, but that does not sound like Huntsman's campaign at all, either.
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #1
42. you don't know Ron...
Think because I'm this rare left wing Libertarian, while there are many things I disagree with him on, there are more things I agree with him on that Tea Party fruits. And despite the media's label , he's no Tea Party.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #42
62. ???
:shrug:
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #42
64. He actually BUILT the original 'tea party'.
Granted, it has little resemblance to the 'Tea Party Express', the dick armey backed groups, the fox backed groups and others. But he did pretty much engineer the start of the 'movement' before it was an astroturf freakshow.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #64
74. According to the author of the seminal New Yorker article on the Koch brothers,
the Koch's invented the Tea Party in the 1980's. (I believe that may have been while they were still Libertarians, as opposed to the Republicans they now profess to be.)

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_...

If the author is correct, the Tea Party was nothing but Koch-funded astroturf from the jump, which I find very plausible.

Then again, I have no pro-Libertarian (or pro-Paul) OR pro-Republican bias, so I can be objective when it comes to choosing between them.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #74
82. I had never heard of the TP until they started rallying around Ron Paul
and he started doing his 'money bomb' things. Possible I don't have the whole history, maybe it was regional. But i'm not aware of anything that far back, at all. I'll read the article.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #82
98. The article says the Koch brothers began planning it in the 1980's (or in 1980--forgot which)
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #42
73. 1
Left wing liberal here
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #42
81. I know a couple of Libertarian lefties. Good people.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #42
111. Which of the positions stated in Reply 46. do you agree with Paul on?
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 03:47 PM by No Elephants
I don't mean to pry, but the I am fed up with the vagueness of "Gee, though I don't (or "though you may not") agree with Paul on everything, he sure is smart, swell, right on, worthy of respect (insert your favorite praise here).

So, from now on, I am going to ask all the vague Paul praisers to please, please be a lot more specific.



The man is fucking disgraceful Republican wingnut who is even more adverse to taxation and government than they are, except that he and the Republicans want even bigger where government doesn't belong at all.

And please don't tell me that states rights or liberty as a reason to oppose the Civil Rights Act is anything but code to cloak pandering to the racists in the RW in some kind of ostensibly respectable language. It was when Barry Goldwater used it, always has been and it still is.

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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 01:18 AM
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85. Naturally, Orly Trump just couldn't let them have the last word
so immediately he spewed this ugly bit of projection in response:
---
"As I said in the past and will reiterate again, Ron Paul has a zero chance of winning either the nomination or the presidency," Trump said in a statement in response to Paul, adding, "my poll numbers were substantially higher than any of his poll numbers, at any time."

"Few people take Ron Paul seriously and many of his views and presentation make him a clown-like candidate," he said. "I am glad he and Jon Huntsman, who has inconsequential poll numbers or a chance of winning, will not be attending the debate and wasting the time of the viewers who are trying very hard to make a very important decision."

Trump referred to his book that's coming out and his claim he is worth more than $7 billion, and asked why he is "not the right person to lead this country out of economic chaos or at least to moderate a debate. I would like to see how Ron Paul would fair in the world of big business."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/69693.html#ix...
--
I see Newt has already signed on with Trump's Birther Debate. No surprise there.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:17 PM
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2. Ron Paul Rejects Donald Trump-Moderated Debate
By Jason M. Volack
Dec 3, 2011 2:59pm
Ron Paul Rejects Donald Trump-Moderated Debate

~snip~
Trump did not take the rejection well.

In a statement to ABC News, Trump calls Paul a clown-like candidate who has inconsequential poll numbers or a chance of winning.

Trump goes on to plug his book and asks the question, how Ron Paul would fare in the world of big business.

Paul joins fellow candidate Jon Huntsman in rejecting the invitation to Trumps debate.

More:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/ron-paul-r...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. Food-chain fight!
LOL!

Thanks for posting.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #7
112. Well put. Paul, Huntsman and Trump. A Dem could hurt his or her head trying to figure
out which one is more repugnant.
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Wolf Frankula Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:50 PM
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18. How Would Ron Paul Fare in the World of Big Business?
Go bankrupt four times, just like that shyster Donald, (Trump T.) Trump.

Wolf
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #2
49. Another book seller.........sheesh.....this one has a muskrat on his head.
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technotwit Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #49
63. muskrats
That's unfair to the noble muskrat!
I know of no muskrats filing business bankruptcy multiple times, and essence of muskrat probably was more successful than Donald Trump The Fragrance.
Check out Amazon's reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/Trump-Fragrance-Men-Toilette-Spra...
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #63
68. Dyed skunk.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:26 PM
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121. "clown-like candidate:" Got news for you, Trump: Paul's been elected many times
You haven't :crazy:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:29 PM
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122. I'm loving this! The rats eating their own
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:21 PM
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3. From the "Even a Stopped Clock" collection. I can't believe I agree with Ron Paul.
He's right, though.

They might as well have Kim Kardashian moderate it, for all the gravitas or knowledge either one conveys.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:21 PM
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4. "An unwanted circus-like atmosphere?" If they didn't want
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 02:25 PM by MineralMan
that, they shouldn't all have gotten in that clown car. Band? Band? Put up "Entry of the Gladiators." The clowns are about to enter the ring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAcaukw_26o
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #4
29. A clown as ringmaster to a freak show.
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dballance Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:27 PM
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6. Well, The hopefuls have already made a circus-like atmosphere
I don't know how they could be more embarrassing.

Please GOP. If you're going to run someone for President try to find someone with less baggage than Newt and smarter than Perry.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #6
75. They did find someone smarter than Perry and with less baggage than Newt,
but, until Cain dropped out, he was polling at 1%.

That would be Huntsman.

Former Democrat Roemer seems to fit your description, too, but he cannot get into the debates because entry into the debates depends on how much money one raises and Roemer will not accept any PAC money, nor anything over $100 fron any single individual donor. So, he's been largely invisible. I've seen him only on Colbert, the Daily Show and Rachael Maddow. So much for keeping campaigns clean.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:30 PM
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8. Hilarious....Trump ? Was Meatloaf busy???
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 02:31 PM by russspeakeasy
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. Dennis miller must be on tour in Dubai.
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 02:40 PM by xxqqqzme
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 11:08 PM
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77. LOL! Well, wherever he is, we can be sure he's spreading bitterness and bile.
He was on MSNBC when Dummya was in the WH and the Republicans controlled Congress--and he was still as bitter and acidic as he could be.

I don't know why his gall bladder hasn't exploded in protest.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #8
32. Omarosa?
Was Meatloaf busy?? :rofl:
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:34 PM
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34. Perfect...
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. And Ted Nugent will be putting critters on the endangered species list that day
Conversely, Trump is not pre-scheduled to fire anyone that day, so he got the nod.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:33 PM
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10. If no one shows up The Donald can debate that animal which lives on his head.
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icnorth Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #10
23. That would be after
he wrenches it from its moorings and stomps it into submission.

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #23
123. ouch! for a guy with billion$, he's got the world's worst hairdresser
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:33 PM
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11. Da Gangaloons are a Circus Mr. Paul.
Haven't you figured that out yet? They make your brand of crazy look positively mellow. You need to get your freak on and join the show.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:35 PM
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12. It's REALLY a cryin' shame.....
the Three Stooges aren't with us today. They'd make GREAT moderators!!! :rofl:
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:41 PM
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15. It's a Game Show!
Doesn't he realize that the winner gets valuable prizes?

If Paul doesn't show up, he won't even get the "Home Edition".
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:42 PM
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16. ron paul actually actually offers an opinion that makes sense?
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 02:43 PM by calimary
The selection of a reality television personality to host a presidential debate that voters nationwide will be watching is beneath the office of the Presidency and flies in the face of that offices history and dignity."


Well how 'bout that? Something I can wholeheartedly agree with, coming out of the yap of ron paul. Temperatures dropping in Hell...

Amazing any of the clucks in this clown car gave even a whisp of a thought, for so much as a nanosecond, about the dignity of the office of the Presidency. For most of them, their very presence as candidates in these debates or anywhere else completely shits steaming piles on the dignity of the office of the Presidency.

However, one of them is getting the "dignity" treatment he so justly deserves, thanks to Andy Borowitz:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:46 PM
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17. Well if you ask me...I nominate George Takei to moderate.
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 02:48 PM by ooglymoogly
He would certainly be able to add some choice words and questions.... particularly on religion.
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:52 PM
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19. Darlin', I'd PAY to watch that.
:rofl:

Mr.Takei would turn those people every which way but loose,and he'd be a howl doing it.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #17
25. Oh my! - eom
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:01 PM
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20. It reminds me of the GOP NAACP debate in 2008
Tancredo was the only one to show
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:06 PM
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22. Just love this part:
The selection of a reality television personality to host a presidential debate that voters nationwide will be watching is beneath the office of the Presidency and flies in the face of that offices history and dignity.
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 04:09 PM
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27. I heard it is just going to be carried on an internet channel.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:13 PM
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24. Ron Paul is many things, but one thing he's not is anyone's fool
He's a man you can respect even as you disagree with everything he believes in, because he's consistent in his views and you can believe that he's sincere in his beliefs.
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krucial Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:42 PM
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37. Ron Paul
Ron Paul is the most sane one the list of republican candidates.Many wont support him mainly because of his position on ending ALL the wars we have all over the globe,and ending American Imperialism and closing all the numerous military bases and bringing our troops home,and his position to en ALL foreign aid,barring none and no exceptions,most Americans want us to cut foreign aid,with exceptions,this are the two main points that makes Ron Paul unelectable in America
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 02:55 PM
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101. His position on wars and foreign aid seems to come mostly, if not exclusively, from
his opposition to government and taxes.

Nothing about that is worthy.

And I am not sure that cutting all foreign aid, even if your reasons are ostensibly noble, is especially sane.

And then too, focusing on those two things while excepting his other policies is like expecting Mrs. Lincoln to have enjoyed "Our American Cousin" despite her husband's assassination by one of the cast.

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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:52 PM
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41. They are mostly ignoring him-even if he does well in polls, etc
It's obvious that they don't want him to be running-it reminds me of Dennis Kucinich in 2008 election. Remember when they pulled some BS reason out of the hat as to why he couldn't debate?

I don't know exactly what RP stands for because they won't discuss him, mostly. I wish they would. RP gets hardly any time even when he's won Straw polls (California for example) He talks straight, but I am less against some of his beliefs than the others.

What ever happened to The League of Women Voters debates? Most of the debates are milquetoast now.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:04 PM
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43. Of the Dems: Kucinich, of the GOPers; Ron Paul
I like the stance each has taken against US imperialism. (Corporate imperialism)
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:06 PM
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114. Paul has taken a stand against taxation, period.
It just so happens that foreign aid and wars require tax money.
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:18 PM
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46. Hey no problem!
I don't know exactly what RP stands for because they won't discuss him, mostly.

Here's a list:
1. Would eliminate Dept. of Education, Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Health and Human Services, FEMA, and the IRS.
2. Would eliminate all income tax.
3. Does not believe in separation of church and state.
4. Believes states should be able to outlaw flag burning.
5. Supports DOMA.
6. Criticized Lawrence v Texas.
7. Rabidly pro-life, sponsored Sanctity of Life Act among other legislation aimed at banning abortion.
8. Is a climate change denier.
9. Opposes the voting rights act.
10. Opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Separate drinking fountains and lunch counters are A-OK with him if that's what individual states want to do.
11. Opposes any limits on campaign contributions.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:06 PM
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55. RP=Ron Paul nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:19 PM
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105. You did not read Reply 46 very well, Peggy. The poster knew what
the letters RP in your post stood for. He or she was quoting from your post and then telling you what Ron Paul stands for because you said you did not know.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:16 PM
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104. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich in the same breath? LOL!
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:12 PM
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67. I am down here in his district and agree -
I think he's very sincere and somewhat simplistic in his pining for the past. I respect the man though - he has principles (even though I completely disagree with him on most things) and sticks to them.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:23 PM
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106. Please see Replies 46. 100. and 101.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:14 AM
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92. Ron Paul is a racist douchebag... Among other things
He deserves no respect, fuck him.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 02:50 PM
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100. Disagree. For one thing, he's been taking federal money for a very long time
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 03:06 PM by No Elephants
and more recently, his dimson has been as well.

For another, one of the few forms of government interference he claims to advocate is one that cannot possibly affect him.

He may be sincere in beliefs, but not consistent.

Moreover, someone who holds all the wrong beliefs is not worthy of respect simply because he holds all the wrong beliefs are sincerely and consistently held. Candidly, that is a bizarre notion.

Edited to add the word "be."








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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 04:07 PM
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26. Hairball is moderating this comedy so that we can reconsider
him. Should be a hoot.
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 04:10 PM
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28. This thread is hilarious!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 04:20 PM
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30. Trumps hopes no one shows up, so he can debate and nominate himself.
Isn't that the plan?
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left on green only Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:15 PM
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56. Yes! That's the reason why he is sponsoring it with his own money
That's also the reason why the little egotist will only spend that money to broadcast it over a narrow range of medium (no major networks are currently scheduled to carry it). So, he is paying for it, and he has also coincidentally nominated himself to moderate it.

Still, I would be curious to see which candidate he pitches softball questions to. Me thinks it will probably be Ms Bachmann, for the simple reason that she already has her head so firmly implanted between his widely parted gluteal divide that he is without power to imagine any other who would be more deserving of his endorsing slime; unless of course he were to become a martyr and decide to run for the office of president himself. I wonder if he has as yet confided his plans to his fellow intellectual, Howard Stern?
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:19 PM
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59. "The Donald", surrounded by 8 full length mirrors.
How exciting.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 04:28 PM
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31. So, the comedians now have something to replace Cain. But, I'm tempted to watch...
watch Romney school the Bankrupt Bullshitter on how to make money without begging his family for bailouts.



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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:27 PM
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107. Yes, I am sure Romney's dad's money and connections had nothing to do with Willard's success.
So, he'd have a lot of room to talk.

Besides, making money by buying companies, firing everyone and selling the assets is not such a genius strategy. All you need is the philosophy that "Greed is good." Gordon Gekko, "Wall Street" by Oliver Stone.
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:26 PM
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33. Trump is the ultimate Paulite Troll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_-0hMID67A

Hilarious! Absolutely true too. And of course, Ron Paul should not even entertain showing up to such a circus.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:28 PM
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108. Meh. Some on this thread could give any Paulite in the land a run for their money.
puns not originally intended.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:34 PM
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35. Ron Paul is occasionally correct
However, using the descriptor "reality" in a statement that depicts Donald Trump is a bit of a stretch. His campaign's choice of the term "circus-like" is spot-on however.

BTW, topic-wise, will this be the GOP's "birther" debate?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:30 PM
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109. Please see Replies 46., 100. and 101. Thanks.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:35 PM
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36. Good for him Trump has no business being part of this - he is an EGO n/t
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 09:02 PM
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61. I think he is much less of a tool than the normal reporters who do the debates.
I mean what does he care what some producer wants to ask or not ask? Not like he is going to be out of a news reporter job if he says something they don't like.
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Galraedia Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:47 PM
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39. The whole Republican presidential race is a circus.
And Ron Paul is an annoying idealogical idiot. I wish he'd drop out already so that his cult would stfu about him. They're like 12 year old girls at a Justin Beiber concert.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:15 PM
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116. I see you've been
reading this thread carefully.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:49 PM
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40. Queen Says No To Pot Smoking FBI Members
Anyone? Anyone?
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Pendrench Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #40
50. John Lennon from the "Let It Be/Get Back" sessions....
wasn't it included in the fade out of "The Long and Winding Road"?

Tim
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:45 PM
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54. Right before "For You Blue"
On the Let it Be album.
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Pendrench Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 07:14 AM
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90. :)
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:05 PM
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44. Viewers wouldn't know whether to fixate on Trump's hair or Paul's eyebrow
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:14 PM
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45. good for him.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:22 PM
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47. I find Paul's statement demeaning to Trump
I'm serious here. It brings Trump down to the same level as, say, the Kardashians. Donald Trump is a land speculator and casino operator, which also means he sells vast amounts of liquor, condones sexual congress between people who aren't married to each other, and probably offers pornography on his hotels' television systems. The only reason he's in the reality television business in the first place is he thinks every dollar in the world should belong to him, and doing reality television goes a long way toward making that happen.

I also think Trump SHOULD moderate the GOP debate. He's the perfect Republican: obnoxious, greedy to a fault and doesn't really give a shit how he gets his money, so long as it won't net him significant jail time. And his presence as moderator could show the true colors of the candidates: how many of them are so desperate for face time to spout their basically-identical views that they'll stand on a stage with a man whose business revolves around what Republican voters would consider to be mortal sins?

So...stand your ground, Donald.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:59 PM
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48. I don't know that king combover is any more circus-like than some
of the moderators they have had.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:25 PM
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60. OR the candidates themselves! nt
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unionworks Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:29 PM
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51. Oh Gee I'm Breathless
This passes for a "real story"
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #51
103. Maybe not, but threads like this do seem
to bring out the Paulites.

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unionworks Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:36 PM
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52. there are LA OCCUPIERS
Still languishing in jail and SKELETOR PAUL STILL GETS HEADLINES HERE
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unionworks Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:39 PM
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53. OH NO i've SAID TOO MUCH
Let me rephrase that - FUCK RON PAUL WITH A SHARP STICK
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:47 PM
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70. Rupaul for president:
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:17 PM
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57. Perfect response.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:19 PM
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58. "...an unwanted circus-like atmosphere."
....I love the puke fireworks....

....lighten-up ronnie, nobody takes these corporate spectacles seriously....it's a 'Republican debate', by definition, a circus....
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 09:33 PM
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65. "...an unwanted circus-like atmosphere."
You mean more than it already has?

Geez, who BETTER to officiate at the Clown Car Demolition Derby?

I quit taking this bunch seriously 90 seconds into the first "debate"
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 09:42 PM
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66. The selection of Repukes flies in the face
Of that office's history and dignity. Not just The Donald. I still think they should have tests for the Presidency. Reading comprehension should be KEY. Is that too much to ask to be President of the United States or am I wrong. :shrug:

How can the majority of people without education (myself included) make a shit load of money without an education? It only makes sense that you should be the best and brightest to hold that office.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:24 PM
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69. What would happen if the rest of the morans failed to show???
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:48 PM
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71. Carnival Barker!
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 11:06 PM
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76. LOL! Oh happy day!
This is seriously funny, and I was bored!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 11:12 PM
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78. I love this. Funniest reality show on TV!
Wait, they actually are seriously running for POTUS?

Geez.

Now I don't know whether to laugh harder or start crying.

Why you harsh my buzz?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 11:41 PM
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79. ROFLMAO. They finally noticed "an unwanted circus-like atmosphere" ... yeah finally noticed that
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 11:42 PM by L. Coyote
huh :rofl:
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 12:07 AM
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80. Translation: Ron Paul can't produce his birth certificate.
What is "beneath the office of the Presidency" is the entire slate of Republican Presidential-wannabes. Trump may be unqualified to moderate a meaningful debate but, no matter, the candidates aren't competent to participate in a meaningful debate either.

Bring in the Donald and drop the pretense of dealing with "important issues." A mediocre reality show would be a big improvement over the debates that have taken place so far.

Considering the constituency these guys all really represent (the 0.1%), the author of "Art of the Deal" is an appropriate host for the Republican side show.
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Doughboy71 Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 01:12 AM
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83. Being from Iowa
I just hope no one in Iowa had any say in the selection of Donald Trump as the moderator. Iowans do have pride in the first in the nation status of the caucuses' and this only diminishes that.

Overall, the Republican Party has made clear none of their candidates should be taken seriously with this decision.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 01:15 AM
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84. Paul may be batshit crazy and his Ayn Rand-ian ideas are dangerous
but there's a tiny part of me that has a marginal bit of respect for him sometimes.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:11 PM
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115. You sometimes respect someone whose ideas you find bat shit crazy and dangerous?
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 04:12 PM by No Elephants
Please, go on.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 06:44 AM
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89. No, he didn't say no to a debate
He said no to a Trump circus. A debate is another type of event entirely.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:33 AM
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93. The BIG story should be the Religious Right NEWSMAX sucking up to Trump!


That the religious right is more willing to align themselves with a streetwalker like Trump says volumes about their religious "values"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/ron-paul-r... /





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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 12:58 PM
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95. The selection of a reality television personality to host a presidential debate...
... that voters nationwide will be watching is beneath the office of the Presidency


That's right. Stick with some propagandist at Fox News instead. That's integrity! :eyes:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:33 PM
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110. ...pawl is dead, pawl is dead, pawl is dead...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:20 PM
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117. Ah, jeez. I hope he lives forever. The cults seem to get bigger after the beloved dies.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:20 PM
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118. Ah, jeez. I hope he lives forever. The cults seem to get bigger after the beloved dies.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:23 PM
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120. "Mr. Trumps selection is also wildly inappropriate because of his record..."
:rofl: :popcorn: I love this stuff.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 09:49 PM
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124. Good for him.
Libertarian scariness aside, he has been very good for this election in some ways. He will not be the nominee, but he has interjected some necessary truths into the national conversation, that never would have been mentioned by our corporate Republicans OR Democrats.

It is about fucking time someone shamelessly used the words "warmonger" and "profit" when discussing our foreign policy.

It is about fucking time we discussed the corruption and secrecy of the Federal Reserve.

And he is absolutely right re: Trump and our pathetic, embarrassing Presidential debates.


Where the hell is our DEMOCRATIC candidate saying these things?
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