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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 01:33 PM
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Voting Success Has Egypt’s Islamists, Like It or Not, Debating Rule by Religion
Source: New York Times

CAIRO — To Sheik Abdel Moneim el-Shahat, the Muslim Brotherhood’s call to apply only the broad principles of Islamic law allows too much freedom.
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Sheik Shahat is a leader of the ultraconservative Islamists known as Salafis, whose coalition of parties is running second behind the Brotherhood party in the early returns of Egypt’s parliamentary elections. He and his allies are demanding strict prohibitions against interest-bearing loans, alcohol and “fornication,” with traditional Islamic corporal punishment like stoning for adultery.

“I want to say: citizenship restricted by Islamic Shariah, freedom restricted by Islamic Shariah, equality restricted by Islamic Shariah,” he said in a public debate. “Shariah is obligatory, not just the principles — freedom and justice and all that.”

The unexpected electoral success of the Salafis — reported to have won about 25 percent of the votes in the first round of the elections, second only to the roughly 40 percent for the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party — is terrifying Egyptian liberals and troubling the West. But their new clout is also presenting a challenge to the Muslim Brotherhood, in part by plunging it into a polarizing Islamist-against-Islamist debate over the application of Islamic law in Egypt’s promised democracy, a debate the Brotherhood had worked hard to avoid.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/world/middleeast/egyp...



Stoning for adultery? Way to go. Backwards, that is. Looks like Egypt's moderate faction will have their hands full with their own 'tea party' nut jobs. :(
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 01:53 PM
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1. They 'll negotiate
For example : The Bro want to greatly expand the tourist industry but the Salafis may want that to be alcohol free. Like I said - they'll negotiate.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:03 PM
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2. I guess they'll be 'negotiating' women's rights, too. nt
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:54 PM
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12. Naw. Women will be sacrificed by the moderates so they can get concessions to make more $$$.
That is how it always is.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:08 PM
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14. Negotiate?
- What?, only back to the 12th century or 13th?

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:43 PM
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3. Well, back to the 9th centrury for Egypt. Have a nice trip.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:05 PM
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4. :( 65% to the two Religious parties. That is one hell of a majority.
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 03:10 PM by pam4water
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:10 PM
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5. I hope they meet very stiff resistance
By the young people of Egypt. To have deposed Mubarak just to be enslaved by Extremist Muslims isn't any kind of win.

I predict this isn't over. First of all they need to have the backing of the military just to enforce their power.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:50 PM
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7. From who
Those who democratically voted them into power?
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libinnyandia Donating Member (526 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:41 PM
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6. If Bachmann or Santorum were to win they would probably try it
here, though probably not as extreme.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 04:18 PM
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8. Ruling by religion...coming to a state near you.
as soon as the tea party can reorganize.
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Bosonic Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 04:48 PM
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9. 40% Good cop 25% Bad cop
35% ???
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:55 PM
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13. 65% bad cop.
The Muslim Brotherhood will appear "moderate" until the elections are over. They will then show their true colors.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:34 PM
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10. If the Old Testament
is any guide, stoning for adultery means stoning women for adultery.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:40 PM
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11. Yep. That's what I take it to mean. And 'adultery' includes being raped.
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:59 PM
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15. Careful for what you wish. "Democracy" means people choose
and looks like the people of egypt might also choose hardliners. So be it.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:10 PM
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16. what matters is having real democracy where they can vote someone else
in power next time .
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rollin74 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:10 PM
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17. very disturbing
:-(

Egypt is going to be far worse off
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:53 PM
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18. Interesting read on this subject.
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