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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 06:43 PM
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Alabama red-faced as second foreign car boss held under immigration law
Source: The Guardian

To arrest one foreign car-making executive under Alabama's new tough immigration laws may be regarded as a misfortune; to arrest a second looks like carelessness.

A judge has acted to put a Japanese employee of Honda Motor Company out of his misery by dismissing immigration charges against him, three days after he was booked under Alabama's new immigration laws that have been billed as the most swingeing in America. Ichiro Yada is one of about 100 Japanese managers of the company on assignment in southern state.

Yada was stopped in Leeds, Alabama, at a checkpoint set up by police to catch unlicenced drivers. He was ticketed on the spot, despite the fact that he showed an international driver's licence, a valid passport and a US work permit.

... The St Louis-based Post-Dispatch newspaper revelled in Alabama's embarrassment by publishing an open letter to foreign car companies encouraging them to pack their bags and move to the rival car-producing state of Missouri.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/02/alabama-car...
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 06:45 PM
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1. I hope they do relocate
Would serve Alabama right.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 06:48 PM
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3. they ain't gonna relocate, it's too expensive
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 06:49 PM by pitohui
you're not going to move a multi million dollar plant over a few untrained butthead cops, i assure you that there are untrained butthead cops in missouri too

this guy was in compliance with the law, so we have here a cop who really screwed up when he issued the ticket, the officer should be retrained better or put behind a desk instead of in situations where he meets the driving public
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:23 PM
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10. The mayor is defending him
so don't expect any retraining.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:15 PM
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16. But those plants they want to attract.....
I think any plans of a new plant opening are being put on permanent hold.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:01 PM
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24. As I understand it,
the problem was not the policeman, but the law. I know for a fact that the Mercedes exec was arrested by the book; Repub legislators are saying that the law they voted for needs to be changed.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:54 AM
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31. Actually, the cop wasn't being a butthead. Hear me out---
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 06:09 AM by msanthrope
Under this screwed-up law, there is no provision for 'ticketing.' The cop was required, by law, to 'detain.'

But he didn't.

Technically, IDL is not a 'license.' It is a translation of the license issued by your home country. You need to carry both. I know, I've had one. So when the man showed up in court with his actual driver's license--the Japan one, charges were dropped.

This is a good case for the challenge of the law...the law is confusing, hard to implement, and is not tailored to be 'least restrictive' to the liberty of ordinary citizens and other people legally going about their business.****

The thing is, that cop KNEW the guy was ok. The cop also knew that he, technically, didn't have the proper documents under the poorly written law.

So the cop made a decision, and on the fly, decided to put the matter before a judge, WITHOUT arrest. He made a judgment call that he isn't allowed to do, under this very bad law.%%%%

This is very embarrassing to the individual. But, it also may help getting a horrible law overturned.


****Alabama cops got a 4-hour training course on this law. Immigration officials gets 8 weeks, minimum, of intensive training.

&&&&On edit, I've been thinking. One point to bring up in challenge to this law is that LEOs routinely have the discretion to ticket you, and have a judge sort it out, or give you time to comply when it comes to traffic enforcement, zoning, etc....so why don't cops have this discretion written into this law?

All this from a state too lazy to adopt E-Verify. Right--because then, EVERYONE would have to be checked out....
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Doughboy71 Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 01:17 AM
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55. They may not move...
But this isn't exactly a very good ad for any new ones in their town.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 06:46 PM
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2. that's pretty whack
before they set up the checkpoint why don't they train these officers in how to recognize a green card and an international driver's license so that the legit workers can be about their business without all this harassment?

the ticket was dismissed, fine, but it should never have been issued at all if the man held the documents mentioned in this article
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 06:57 PM
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5. It's about intimidation, not enforcing the law..
That's what a lot of "law enforcement" actions are about, creating an atmosphere of fear.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:01 PM
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6. An innocent man was publicly shamed and treated like a criminal.
Dismissing the false charges is insufficient.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:11 AM
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34. See my post at 31. The cop didn't follow the law.
I hope this case is useful to getting the whole law overturned.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:47 PM
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12. If the officers can't get passed the skin color
it doesn't matter if these foreign workers have their leader of the country standing by them....they are going to get arrested.

This is nothing but legalized racism...

People think the Japanese and other foreign auto makers will not shut their plants down...those cultures take social insults very seriously and these backass bastards don't understand..

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 06:51 PM
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4. Lord that's funny.. How long will the stupid law be on the books?
Just how benighted does Dixie continue to be?
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:39 AM
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29. Depends on the court challenges. There's already a few chips at it--
You have federal challenges in Montgomery, Birmingham, and Atlanta.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:10 PM
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7. wow...i don`t want to think just how pissed off honda is
this is a HUGE mistake on the part of alabama. they won`t move from bama but there is going to be a lot of people kissing honda corporate ass.

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:17 PM
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8. The idiot bigots in Alabama are getting a Karma lesson.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:21 PM
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9. this will make the rounds
Business journals, Dept. of Commerce, State Dept., books about doing business in America.
What a bunch of asses.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:30 PM
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11. Whoa on the road blocks to check ID
freaking ugly. Not the America my ancestors worked and sacrificed to bring into being, or the one that I continue to work and sacrifice for. All that darkside totalitarian republicon stuff is the exact opposite of the American ideals that made this nation great.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:45 PM
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18. THIS is what so many posters seem to be missing --document checkpoints!
that does smack of Nazi Germany. absolutely.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 04:47 AM
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27. Yup. This is the freaking 'homeland' the republicons have been foisting
on the formerly free USA.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 09:49 PM
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20. All in the name of xenophobia. nt
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:01 PM
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13. I wonder if the police officer has relatives who served in WWII?
just a thought.

And wouldn't Alabamans view the Japanese man as a "job creator", using RWTP?
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:11 PM
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14. Wall street journal: "Law Tests Alabama's Appeal" (to foreign investors)
Google the title in quotes and click within results for full article:

The checkpoint wasn't aimed at nabbing illegal immigrants, but rather at reducing crime and closing outstanding warrants, said Leeds police chief Byron Jackson.

The charge against Mr. Yada was dropped Thursday after he provided proof that he had a Japanese license, Mr. Jackson said.

Two weeks earlier, a Mercedes-Benz executive was arrested in Tuscaloosa County, also for failing to produce a valid driver's license. He was taken into custody at the police station, and later released on his own recognizance bond after a fellow employee brought his German license. The charge eventually was dropped.

Under the law, failure to produce a driver's license is a misdemeanor.

Some economic-development leaders say their jobs have become more difficult as a result of episodes like these, as well as national and international criticism that the immigration law harks back to Alabama's racist past.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:33 PM
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25. "The checkpoint wasn't aimed at nabbing illegal immigrants"
Bullshit
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:30 AM
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26. They "close outstanding warrants" by random roadblocks instead of arresting the guilty? WTF?
In other states, they look up the person's residence, place of work, car registration, etc. Here they set up roadblocks and look for people at random.

Are they simultaneously too stupid to hunt people down, and so drowning in excess manpower and equipment that they roadblock a whole state and check everyone to find a few people with outstanding warrants?

Stupid and evil simultaneously. Wow.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:15 PM
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15. "swingeing"?
Must be a Brit thing.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 09:54 PM
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22. It's an Alabama thing -
Swingeing was traditional in Ala. between the Civil War and integration--- you know, swing on a noose or get burned in your house or church. Southern hospitality for "outsiders."
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:03 AM
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33. 'Draconian' in Brit-speak. nt
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:03 AM
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36. One of Shake's words.
"Go, fetch them hither: if they deny to come,

Swinge me them soundly forth unto their husbands:

Away, I say, and bring them hither straight."

--The Taming of the Shrew, Act 5, Scene 2.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 12:15 PM
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47. Those English think they're so fancy with their literate reporters!
Merican ain't good enough for 'em?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:20 PM
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17. LOFRMAO
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:33 AM
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28. Point of law--there's no provision for 'ticketing' in law. This guy was supposed to be 'detained.'
But I'm guessing the cops didn't want an embarrassing arrest on the heels of the Benz official. So they settled for a ticket, and relied on a judge to do the job of the legislature.


It's an interesting way of local cops flouting the provisions of a law they may not want....
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:38 AM
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38. "detained" can mean things short of arrest

When you at being written a ticket, you are being briefly detained.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:09 AM
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39. Detained pending verification under 8 USC 1373, is the specific language.
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 08:16 AM by msanthrope
Further language specifically excludes the officer from making the determination without verification from the feds.


"Section 12. (a) Upon any lawful stop, detention, or arrest made by a state, county, or municipal law enforcement officer of this state in the enforcement of any state law or ordinance of any political subdivision thereof, where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the citizenship and immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Such determination shall be made by contacting the federal government pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1373(c) and relying upon any verification provided by the federal government.

(b) Any alien who is arrested and booked into custody shall have his or her immigration status determined pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1373(c). The aliens immigration status shall be verified by contacting the federal government pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1373(c) within 24 hours of the time of the aliens arrest. If for any reason federal verification pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1373(c) is delayed beyond the time that the alien would otherwise be released from custody, the alien shall be released from custody.

(c) A law enforcement officer shall not attempt to independently make a final determination of whether an alien is lawfully present in the United States. A law enforcement officer may not consider race, color, or national origin in implementing the requirements of this section except to the extent permitted by the United States Constitution or the Constitution of Alabama of 1901."

http://latinorebels.com/2011/10/05/the-full-text-of-ala... /

There's no provision for ticket writing and later appearance. There's no provision for release from detention within 24 hours without verification from the feds.

And the provision that I bolded is repeated throughout the statute. So a cop can't just look at your papers and let you go--a cop has to run you through SAVE.

I'd love to see the actual ticket. I wonder if it was a simple failure to produce a license, or the like.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 09:17 PM
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19. ROFLMAO! I saw this coming from a mile away.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 09:51 PM
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21. Another racist/xenophobic win. Lame.
White Power folks are definitely happy.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 09:55 PM
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23. That's a good one! I know some people in MO that are still smarting over loss of GM jobs.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:50 AM
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30. Talk about biting the hand that feeds them.
Southern cops and legislatures - amazingly stupid.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:59 AM
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32. There is a Hyundai plant in AL, too. Think they'll go 3 for 3? They've got the Germans,
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 06:00 AM by msanthrope
and the Japanese, already. Maybe they'll try to complete the set by setting up a checkpoint outside the Hyundai plant and snare themselves a Korean.

All this from a state too lazy to implement E-Verify.....
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Gringostan Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:31 AM
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35. What was he ticked for???
What was he ticked for???
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:11 AM
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40. I'd love to see the actual ticket. As I point out upthread, there's no
provision to ticket under this statute.

I think the cop might have made a 'Hey, let me ticket and a judge can sort it out' rather than a 'let me arrest the dude I suspect is legal' decision.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:27 AM
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37. We in Alabama provide comic relief to the rest of the nation.
WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
:rofl:
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:13 AM
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41. Are you going to arrest a Korean executive outside the Hyundai plant, and complete the set?
I think y'all should go three for three!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:17 AM
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44. That AND a Chinese guy who's only PLANNING to locate a plant here.
Seriously, the Royal Dragon (or some such) copper tubing factory was looking at locating in Alabama.
A Chinese corporation.
Now?
Maybe not so much.
By god WE'LL keep them damn furriners out.
:eyes:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 09:21 AM
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42. Good ole police state check points, USA, USA.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:08 AM
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43. Is Alabama a right to work state?
If you're going to host foreign companies, there might be foreign visitors. I guess Alabama was happier when the profits were just shipped back over-seas. Bringin' them funny lookin' foreigners here in person, well that's a different story.

Oy.

Julie
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 11:24 AM
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46. Worth the time to read the full article from the Guardian. Crops
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 11:27 AM by coalition_unwilling
rotting in fields and construction projects abandoned. Way to go, Alabama. (I have relatives who live in Auburn, but I refuse to visit them or spend any money whatsoever supporting their insanely zenophobic state.)
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 12:27 PM
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48. Hey What?!
The Republicans FORGOT to include an exemption for foreign 1%-ers? What were they thinking? How did that happen?

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:50 PM
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49. I wonder if the judge who 'put him out of his misery' said "So solly".
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:41 PM
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50. I guess the exec had too much class to say "Do you realize that I am you and your neigbors master?"
boy THAT would been ironic
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:57 PM
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51. WTF!
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:09 PM
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52. Friend and his sister had their car tossed by Nevada troopers the other day.
No drugs.

No charges.

Can't fly.

Can't drive.

The Clash - Clampdown

I won't be traveling in Alabama if I can avoid it.
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:18 PM
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53. To arrest one foreign car-making executive...
To arrest one foreign car-making executive under Alabama's new tough immigration laws may be regarded as a misfortune; to arrest a second looks like carelessness.

A mis quote from Lady Bracknell in The "Importance of Being Earnest," Oscar Wilde's superb farce.

"Lady Bracknell. To lose one parent, Mr. Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness."
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:16 PM
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54. A German and a Japanese... someone must not have been told...
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 10:16 PM by Endangered Specie
WWII is over!
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