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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 05:44 AM
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Kennnedy dynasty's new hope
Source: Boston Herald (sorry)

Kennedy dynastys new hope

Joe III refuses to rule out run for Barneys seat

By Chris Cassidy and Dave Wedge
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - Updated 12 minutes ago

Middlesex prosecutor Joseph P. Kennedy III widely seen as the best hope to carry the torch of the legendary family dynasty to a new generation told the Herald last night he is leaving the door open to a run for Congress.

I just havent had the time to give it any thought, the type of careful consideration that it requires, Kennedy said outside Cambridge District Court. Ive always thought politics is an honorable profession. It demands that you give it careful thought before you jump into it. When I get the time to do that, Ill think about it, but were not there yet.

Kennedy the son of former U.S. Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy II, grandson of Robert F. Kennedy and grandnephew of President John F. Kennedy was one of several Democrats whose name has emerged as a possible contender for U.S. Rep. Barney Franks seat after the 16-term congressman announced his retirement two days ago.

Read more: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_113...
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 05:52 AM
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1. I like this one
K and R
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:09 AM
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2. The only thing that could assuage my grief over Barney leaving is a Kennedy
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 06:09 AM by lunatica
That family has a tried and true legacy of Progressive legislation. They have literally given their lives for Democracy in this country.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:18 AM
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3. If he wants to run, why not, but what is disturbing is that a party that claims being for ordinary
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 06:22 AM by Mass
people pine over these big names, as if a regular person did not do the trick. May be we should reestablish royalty. (I say that with the greatest respect to the Kennedy family, some of whom I admire profundly, including this person's father and grandfather). I am just bothered by the notion of political families in general. It seems to be contrary to democracy.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:26 AM
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4. Both Parties do this, as well as recruiting athletes and other celebrities. Name recognition alone
counts for a lot in elections.

And right now, the person with the most name recognition in that district likeliest to run for this seat is the Rethug who opposed Frank the last time. There is some speculation that Khazei might run, but despite his run in two Senate primaries, his name is still not exactly a household name.

If you read the article, though, it is far from clear that Joe III wants to run.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:51 AM
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7. I read the article, and I know that it is just the same type of speculation
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 06:54 AM by Mass
that happens in every single election in MA. We cannot think of an election without a Kennedy on the ticket. And now, some are pining for a young man who is not even from the district in question.

This said, this is not the sign of a vibrant democracy and this is what should worry us.
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 10:36 AM
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25. he is a Kennedy, they are never from the district in question
But regardless of where they live before they run, when elected, they are great progressive voices. He seems like a bright, sincere young man who has already started to follow in the family steps of public service as a ADA. A little thing like residency in the district is not a problem, just ask his father, grandfather and uncles...
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:00 AM
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27. My first thought was to keep him safe. The second was - isn't he the
Kennedy who has to non-profit business helping the poor with fuel for heating in the winter? I thought about what I know of HIM not his family.

Name recognition is half of getting elected for any candidate.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:10 AM
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28. You're thinking of his father.
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 11:12 AM by Mass
BTW, the seat is mostly safe and there are many good Dems in this district ready to run. This does not mean he should not run, but he should do it on his merits, not his grandfather's name.
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:19 AM
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30. His grandfather was a Senator from New York
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:24 AM
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31. Not sure what your point is. I know who his grandfather was.
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 11:26 AM by Mass
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 01:09 PM
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38. Okay - thanks.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:30 PM
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41. I agree with you. I'd rather see someone like Seti Warren or some of the
very fine field that has fallen away from the Elizabeth Warren race try for the slot.

Nothing against the Kennedy family, but we don't need dynasties. There are plenty of opportunities for public service that don't involve elective office.

Of course, it's not my district, so the people who live there will be making their own choice, never mind what I think!
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:27 AM
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5. Hope? Who hope's for nepotism other than the 1% who benefit from it?
?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:46 AM
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6. That's what they said when JFK appointed RFK attorney general and Ted ran first ran for the Senate.
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 06:58 AM by No Elephants
They seem to have worked out okay for the 99%.

Besides, if you read, the RW Herald's headline writer is imagining, contrary to everything else in the article, that Joe III's candidacy is the hope of the Kennedy "dynasty."

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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 08:20 AM
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11. Agreed. The Herald is fish&chips wrapping paper.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:32 AM
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8. K&R. nt
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 08:05 AM
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9. This quote:
I just havent had the time to give it any thought, the type of careful consideration that it requires, Kennedy said outside Cambridge District Court. Ive always thought politics is an honorable profession. It demands that you give it careful thought before you jump into it. When I get the time to do that, Ill think about it, but were not there yet.

...is something you'd never hear out of a Republican's mouth. No, you hear, "I'm praying on it and waiting to hear what God thinks". Yes, Joe, politics is an honorable profession. At least, it used to be. Thanks for taking it seriously. Now, seriously consider running.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 08:12 AM
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10. I am not big on dynasties, but I will welcome any real liberal into the fold right now.
We have desperately few of them.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 08:59 AM
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16. I'm guessing that many people believe a candidate's blood
"I am not big on dynasties..."

I'm guessing that many people believe a candidate's blood and heritage in and of themselves are valid and objective justification to deny or allow support for an individual.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 10:42 AM
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26. dynasties can be good or bad but in general I agree with you.
However, look at FDR, certainly a member of the ruling class and relative of Theodore Roosevelt. And, as has been pointed out on this thread, the other Kennedy's have been progressives. I am hopeful.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 08:23 AM
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12. Brand name, Ivy League, good-looking, but there is another Kennedy tradition which
he will hopefully NOT follow -adding to the Family's political baggage of violated, crippled or dead women.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 08:48 AM
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14. Not to mention their other tradtion
Of ending up either physically or politically assassinated.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 08:40 AM
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13. Video of Joe - I saw him speak at an election eve rally in 2008 and he is great
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 09:04 AM by karynnj
Senator Kennedy had always had an election eve rally in Barnstable, but in 2008, he was too ill and in DC. He asked Kerry to host it instead and young Joe Kennedy was one of the people who spoke - and he was incredible. Kerry's web site had a very nice, but short, excerpt - http://www.johnkerry.com/multimedia/entry/barnstable_de... /

Joe is at the beginning. The signs, incidentally are special. Kerry's campaign printed Kennedy signs, which say paid for by Kerry, as there were no Kennedy signs saved from past years. They were stapled back to back with Kerry signs.

For those who forget that Democrats like Kerry, spoke of the greed of Wall Street causing the 2008 crash - listen about 9 or so minutes in to Kerry at that rally - http://www.jkmediasource.org/node/164 - this was taped by Noisy Democrat, who posts here.

This is the only MA rally I have ever seen - and way more fun than any NJ one!
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 08:51 AM
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15. Run Joe Run! n/t
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adam in oregon Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 09:02 AM
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17. another one
Can this country survive without a Kennedy in office? Just because you came out of a lucky womb doesn't mean you have to run for office. This country fought a war to get out from under royalty. Lets let some other family, who isn't totally corrupted by money, run for office. We need people who are not of the 1% to run. People that actually know what it means to have to struggle, and get a real job. Not trust fund babies.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 09:33 AM
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19. The fact is that he has NOT opted to run when asked in the past
He was asked to run in 2010 to replace Delahunt. His decision was that he thought it better to continue doing what he was doing in the DA office. He has a twin brother, who ran Ted Kennedy's 2006 campaign and was up in NH working on the Obama campaign there. They both are working hard for Democratic values - and though both have options that most people would never get, both seem to being putting in their dues.

Not to mention, if his name were NOT kennedy, and he had the intelligence, looks and personality he does, he would be exactly the type of person who others would hope would run.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 09:40 AM
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21. I think there is one running for the
Senate - Elizabeth Warren - sound familiar?
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:34 AM
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33. not talking about the senate race but the house seat that is being vacated by Barney Frank
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 10:04 AM
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22. The citizens have the choice of voting.
What's the problem?

I guess the Bush Family Dynasty, and the corruption that has ensured for years because of it, has ruined it for everyone!
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:32 AM
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32. So if you have money and the best intentions, you should not be able to run...
Hmmmmmmm
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 09:32 AM
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18. Robert Kennedy's
GRANDson! Yikes - I feel old.

Good luck to all the residents of the district.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 09:36 AM
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20. You weren't alone
At a Hyannis rally, Senator Kerry mentioned that he never thought of Bobby as being a grandfather - thought the same thing. http://www.jkmediasource.org/node/164
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 10:29 AM
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23. Poetic Justice. . .
. . .let it happen with you, Young Joe Kennedy!

God only knows your family's poetic justice is long overdue. . .thought your father would get it but apparently instead your taking up the legacy is in the cards.

Win for them all. . .win for us ALL.







:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 10:31 AM
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24. Better him than his father. n/t
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:16 AM
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29. Can we please stop the Kennedy worship? nt.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:51 AM
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35. Can we please not dictate to others how and what
they should think and feel? Thanks.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:34 AM
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34. Do we do dynasties in this country?
I thought not, but I guess the Bush family has been sort of one.

Didn't work out so good for us.
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tawadi Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 12:10 PM
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36. Time for new generation to start their own legacy
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malthaussen Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 12:57 PM
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37. Isn't he just about
... the cutest thing you ever did see?

-- Mal
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 01:19 PM
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39. me gads yes!
:loveya: Joseph P. Kennedy, III ...

Run Joe Run!!!!

:D

:kick:

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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:45 PM
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44. Interesting to see how the genes come out
He has the Kennedy colouring, but his features are Fitzgerald. After three generations, those are some strong genes!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 01:31 PM
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40. I'm ready for "Jones," "Smith," or whatever the fuck ever.
Ruling Family? :thumbsdown:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:34 PM
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42. I thought the usual choice was
No hope or Bob Hope.

How does it follow that simply because he's a Kennedy he'd be any good?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 04:56 PM
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43. Fuck dynasties
'nuff said.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:46 PM
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45. If you can remember Jack and Bobby,
there is a sense of unfinished business.

It would be good to see the baton picked up by somebody who can complete it.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 08:52 PM
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47. You betcha.
Their last name probably won't be Kennedy.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:00 PM
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46. Kick this one to the top
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