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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:11 PM
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Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
Source: US News & World Reports

President Obama's slow ride down Gallup's daily presidential job approval index has finally passed below Jimmy Carter, earning Obama the worst job approval rating of any president at this stage of his term in modern political history.

Since March, Obama's job approval rating has hovered above Carter's, considered among the 20th century's worst presidents, but today Obama's punctured Carter's dismal job approval line. On their comparison chart, Gallup put Obama's job approval rating at 43 percent compared to Carter's 51 percent.

Back in 1979, Carter was far below Obama until the Iran hostage crisis, eerily being duplicated in Tehran today with Iranian protesters storming the British embassy. The early days of the crisis helped Carter's ratings, though his failure to win the release of captured Americans, coupled with a bad economy, led to his defeat by Ronald Reagan in 1980.

According to Gallup, here are the job approval numbers for other presidents at this stage of their terms, a year before the re-election campaign:

Read more: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/20...
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pkdu Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:15 PM
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1. also on Drudge Report and Fox News.... nuff said. n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:08 AM
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75. LOL!
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:16 PM
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2. Nobody likes politicians when the economy sucks. Rethugs are doing very poorly as well.
Obama has a very good chance. The Republican clown car keeps honking its squeaky-toy horn, backfiring and getting flat tires. And firing clowns.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:46 PM
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40. Correct -- that's the message of OWS -- both parties are finished-- !!
there is zip confidence in government -- public understands government

ahas been totlaly corrupted by corporate/elite $$$$$$$ --

And there are TWO SIDES to that money --

not only does the money have to be there -- the bribe --

but the corrupt candidate has to be there to take it -- i.e., the bribe

We need to be calling this situation what it is -- criminal activity!

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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:25 PM
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3. My druthers would be for POTUS Obama to pull an LBJ ASAP
as IMHO Obama is lacking in integrity and has surrounded himself with the same as advisors.

Blowback from Obama has been the mid term losses of 2010 and OWS protests.

I was a strong Obama supporter that was gobsmacked when he started making appointments.

The Obama WH has only taken us farther down the rabbit hole.

Clinton was my absolutely last choice in 2008.

With Obama, we could conceivably lose the WH and both sides of Congress.
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on point Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:28 PM
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5. Second that. We need a DEMOCRATIC LEADER!! Not a right wing moderate
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:38 PM
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13. First, hyperbole. Next, this doesn't mean shit. Last, no far-leftie can win nationally. Nuff said.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:48 PM
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42. Nonsense -- the nation is crying out for a liberal candidate -- this is a liberal nation -- !!
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 04:50 PM by defendandprotect
Unless you listen to the RW proapganda machine -- and our corporate-press

doesn't play anything but RW propaganda.


This is a liberal nation -- which is why the RW has had to resort to 50 years

of political violence -- assassinations -- and taking over our press!


Not to mention Koch Bros. funding the DLC -- along with the criminal Pfizer and

Chevron -- whereby they not only infiltrated the Democratic Party but had twenty

and more years of influence over the party and its candidates!

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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:24 PM
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54. +1
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:21 PM
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65. Interesting ....
it's like "The Emperor's New Clothes" --

fear seems to keep them from seeing it !!


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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:10 AM
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76. Untrue, untrue, untrue and untrue.
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Gringostan Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 09:08 AM
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86. With respect....
You are right; but you are wrong.
Enough with the corporate candidates. The country needs and wants progressive leaders. It's well past time we all stood up and took back our country...
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:42 PM
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20. I nominate on point!
Show us what you got slugger!
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:57 PM
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30. I don't agree with people who say we should throw away..
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 03:59 PM by mvd
liberal, Democratic principles just because "they can't win." That's defeatist, and we might as well be conceding the Repukes the momentum if we don't stand up to them. Repukes have been able to set the narrative. President Obama, to me, has not been a complete failure. I credit him for at least expanding health care, social policy improvements, restoring some integrity overseas, and preventing a deeper recession. But, he surrounded himself with too many free-trade and Wall Street people. Emanuel and now Daley are unfriendly toward progressives. Bush screwed up the country so much that we needed a different attitude toward getting more done. It would of course be ideal to be bi-partisan. But you can't be when the Repukes are absolutely crazy. They are big bullies.

Also, I thought the President's approval was up? This article seems to be focusing a lot on one poll.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:12 AM
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77. It's hard for candidates to win when their own party fights them.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:42 AM
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84. +1
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A wise Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:31 AM
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81. I totally agree with your statement
from 2000 to this present day this whole mess the country is in is due to Bush and the republicans total control over all government from 2000 to the present. How short the memories of our fellow Dems and any American that has a brain lost that memory. The jobs left this country under bush...gas prices soured under bush...wars started under bush...unemployment went up under bush...the surplus was spent under bush...deficit was created under bush...non investigations of 9/11 of 3000 plus people guest WHO....BUSH etc. When Obama came into office he already had hell to deal with. Yes blame him for wimping on things..BUT NOT THE COMPLETE MESS THIS COUNTRY IS IN. "BY THE WAY..HAS ANYONE NOTICE THAT THE RETHUGS AND THE MEDIA NEVER MENTIONS BUSH'S NAME????????? THINK ABOUT IT.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:52 PM
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43. Agree --
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 04:56 PM by defendandprotect
Carter didn't step down and it was a disaster --

This kind of "anybody but" year hurts not only the incumbent but the

entire Demcortic Party!

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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:29 PM
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6. Pffffft.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:32 PM
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8. Agree with EVERY word of yours!
I have to chuckle every time some lefty pundit makes a big deal about Republican lies.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:40 PM
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15. I woiuld possibly agree, except that . . .
. . . I think it is WAY too late in the game to do that at this point. The time it takes to get a nationwide, on-the-ground organization up and running, which is required well before actual campaigning, pretty well rules out another candidate who has any chance in hell of winning.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:42 PM
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39. Obama could donate the entire OFA organization to a new candidate.
They're on the ground, they're up-and-running, the
only thing they lack is a candidate worth supporting
(again).

Tesha
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:42 PM
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18. These polls mean nothing, and sorry, but your analysis is utter nonsense. Name one far-leftie who
can win nationally. Kucinich? Sanders? Grayson? I like those guys, but they couldn't win a national game of tiddly winks let alone a national presidential election. So please, find your local planet.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:59 PM
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45. Consider how weak Obama is even with all the corporate $$ behind him -- !!
That money is a threat to any other candidate --

Obama should step down and let's see what happens --

but everyone is going to be looking to avoid the corporate candidate --

Basically, we need a JESUS vs SATAN election -- strictly "word of mouth" and

corporate money be damaned!


Bernie Sanders could run on a slip ticket -- or move to the Democratic Party.

We need someone to run who we can implicitly trust -- Michael Moore would do.

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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:34 PM
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68. How about an experienced Democratic western governor? See below.
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:43 PM
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21. PufPuf23 2012!
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:27 PM
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4. Someone here will find a way to deny these findings.
But I am K&R hoping that people realize this is a troubling omen.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:31 PM
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7. They use this stuff when it suits their centrist positions. Nt
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:37 PM
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11. Oh, you mean, "this shows how Obama is too leftist/socialist!"? Yeah, I get that.
I guess there is the argument that in isolation, we can't know why his numbers are down. But we DO know that, all these left-wing ideas - like single payer, or 'entitlements' - are VERY popular and these are the very same ideas the Obama administration has been distancing itself from.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:44 PM
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23. Amen to that.
That sig photo in the OP - I envision Obama thinking: "Hurry up, Arne! Our corporate-sponsored, catered lunch is gettin' cold!"
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:45 PM
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24. Gee, you better run and hide in a missile bunker then. The polls are coming the polls are coming...
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:03 PM
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90. I imagine Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo is...
I imagine Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo is on of those 'centrist' progressives denying these findings. I imagine we all of will read into a thing whatever better validates our own personal biases.... :shrug:



BOGUS STAT ALERT

"Theres a meme bouncing around today which has it that President Obamas approval numbers have now fallen even lower than Jimmy Carters at the same point in his presidency. I even heard it picked up on MSNBC."

"This is a bogus factoid on a couple different levels."

"President Obamas approval rating is definitely in the danger zone in reelection terms. But its actually been rising over the last month or two. His net disapproval has gone from over ten to roughly 5 percentage points. (You can see a graph here.) This new factoid stems from the fact that Carters approval numbers actually spiked dramatically (about 20 points) in November of 1979 at the beginning of the Iranian hostage crisis. "



http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/11/bogus_sta...
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:15 PM
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91. Wow, those are some Olympic-class gymnastics going on there.
:D
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:33 PM
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9. so who are you going to run, hilary, Kucinich, grayson, lol. n/t.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:02 PM
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32. It is sad that you think this is amusing.
Look at his popularity going in, he squandered that mandate which was not his to squander, it was an immeasurable gift given to him from the people. All of that is gone. Who sent it away? He did. Traded it for Timmy and Summers.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:15 PM
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63. My conclusion too is Obama squandered his mandate
He could have had crowds in the street pressuring Congress to do the right thing.

Instead, Obama tried to maintain the status quo with neoliberals.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:55 PM
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70. Exactly - that is what is STILL so heartbreaking -
- all that momentum and potential lost.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 01:39 PM
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89. it is funny, I think he's doing a pretty good job considering the
world was going to end when he took office. about the only thing I can think of that I would criticize is the push for healthcare reform when he should have pushed for job creation, other then that I couldn't have done a better job myself.

and I'm not even a big fan of his. lol.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:33 PM
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10. This is one of the worst times in the history of this country; what
can one expect with the divisive atmosphere we live in and the greed that has been so rampant that has brought our country to the point of near collapse.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:42 PM
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19. Hell, we are not that many years removed from 9/11 and Katrina
People are still f-ed up.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:07 PM
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50. Katrina was the result of 50 years of lies by the oil industry to deny Global Warming --
and it cost them tens of billions of dollars to do it --

And they -- and cooperative and corrupt government leaders they bought -- also worked

to hide the truth from the public -- probably the biggest secret the elite have ever

kept -- until it is probably now to late to do anything to turn this around.


9/11 -- certainly preventable if you believe it was a real terrorist event --

and more likely MIHOP --

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:03 PM
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49. We are suffering from capitalism -- and we should decide to do something about that -- !!
Unregulated capitalism is organized crime -- fascism.

That's what we're suffering from --

Not only from the corporations/elites who BUY our candidates but from

the corrupt candidates who take their money --

This is simple bribery by elites --

and, imo, criminal activity by our candidates!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:28 PM
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56. Agreed. nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:38 PM
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12. he can`t do a god dam thing about the republicans
those guys and gals would destroy this country to get that uppity black guy and his family out of the white house.

to them the only reason a black family should be in the whitehouse is to be their maids and butlers...

fuck the republicans and the assholes who voted them in.
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:25 PM
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55. wake up. obama is a not on working people's side.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:38 PM
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14. Obama will receive credit for the United States version of the Arab Spring.
A reaction he never intended to produce nor advance, but he is stuck with it nonetheless..he inspired many to hit the streets; unintended consequences of his policy choices etc.


He'll still likely win back the White House...the responsibility of a SCOTUS seat to replace will loom in many voters minds.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:40 PM
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16. It's extremely important that you tell us what the pollsters say, every day.
Because otherwise we'd never know!

Especially Gallup, with their utter non-partisan devotion to Science.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:42 PM
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17. What
"Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's"

...ridiculous spin.

Carter's approval the previous week was 38 percent. His approval for the relevant period was tied with Clinton at 51 percent. In fact, Carter's approval rating continued to climb, and by the first week of January it was 56 percent compared to Clinton's 42 percent.

Spin: "Clinton's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's"

Obama's approval is at 43 percent today.

Carter's problem was that his approval had dropped to 29 percent prior to that period and after a brief rebound dropped down to 31 percent.

Gallup's Presidential Approval Center

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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:44 PM
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22. This is just one poll on one day from one company and doesn't mean shit anyway.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:45 AM
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85. Yeah, I'm surprised at how many posts this has gotten
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:50 PM
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27. Nonwhites, who approve of the President the most are going to increase by .5% in the next year
Non-whites,
Approval 66%

They are taking the place of the group that hates the President the most

Age 65+
Approval: 37%
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:48 PM
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25. I don't trust gallup anymore than
I would trust a poll by rushlimpballs.

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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:48 PM
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26. It never fails to amaze, how STOOPID the masses are...
Hmmm...Obama...

or the GOPBaggers stopping everything

or having one of the GOPBagger Clown Car Candidates in charge...President Bachmann?

Amazing, amazing...how deep the STOOPID runs in America.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:14 PM
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53. OWS and those criticial of dyfunctional government are about movement to the LEFT ... !!
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 05:15 PM by defendandprotect
that's why we need a challenger to Obama --

No one who understands what is going on is going to vote for anyone on the right --

including Obama!

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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:52 PM
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28. US News & World Report???
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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:01 PM
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31. Carter was a good president
The Republicans schemed behind his back to undermine and discredit him. Carter accomplished many long-term benefits that were lost on the short-attention span pundits of then and now. So this article means nothing, except that Republicans have been scheming to discredit Obama from day one---they are poor losers and simply un-democratic in their view of what an election means.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:39 PM
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57. While I will grant you he was under constant attack by RW within government .. .CIA/
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 05:40 PM by defendandprotect
FBI -- all frightening the hell out of him --

PLUS the "October Surprise" which was TREASON carried out by Bush/Gates, etal --

and according to Gary Sick they even attempted to recruit help from those in the

Carter administration -- !!


On the other hand, you'll recall that Carter treated the Russian invasion of

Afghanistan as though something the Russians had done on their own -- while Brzezinski

makes clear that we created the Taliban/Al Qaeda -- financing it thru ISI Pakistan --

and used them to "bait the Russians into Afghanistan" -- whereas we actually went into

Afghanistan six months BEFORE them! Why did we do this? According to Brzezinski ....

"in hopes of giving the Russians a Vietnam type experience."

Possibly Carter didn't know any of this?


Meanwhile, our government/CIA was also producing those vile Muslim prayer books we heard

so much about -- we wrote them and printed them and shipped them into the ME -- at a huge

cost to us -- presumably to try to create a more violent strain of Islam -- or at least

to make Islam look like less of a peaceful religion.

Organized patriarchal religion and using it to overcome other nations has long been a tool

in the patriarchal tool box.


If you want any more info on Brzezinski's statements -- or on our creating the violent

Muslim textbooks -- let me know.

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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:02 PM
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33. The Problem is the message....
What will Obama campaign on? Healthcare reform, NOT popular outside of his base. Stimulus Spending? NOT popular outside of his base. Bail outs? Not popular period. Tax increases? NOT popular outside of his base. Nationally the repeal of DADT doesn't garner alot of good will outside of his base.

His foreign policy successes are not completely supported by the base and are threatened outside of his base, by a rise of radical and potentially nuclear Iran, and the still challenging aftermath of the Arab Spring.

The problem with Obama is that he was not made for these dramatic fiscally bad times. He would be a very popular President during a 1990's booming economy. The GOP is going to run a campaign of "fear the debt" the trajectory of the national debt at current rates is dramatic just look at www.usdebtclock.org, it doesn't take an MBA to see that we are on a fiscally unsustainable path the debt will ultimately collapse our currency, and austerity is just around the corner if something substantial isn't done not just picking around the edges like the debt committee tried to do but real substantial tax increases and sorry to say some cuts in benefits or changes to the social safety net programs.

The best possible scenario IMHO is that Obama would step aside and let a very popular Hillary Clinton take the reigns. I think the combo that her and Bill could bring nationally has the potential to save the country and dramatically fix most of our issues. Sadly I think Obama cares more about how he looks than how the Democratic party looks or the country looks....
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:36 PM
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38. let a very popular Hillary Clinton...
She may be very popular because she isn't President.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:00 PM
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46. I don't think she's needed or wanted. I know people who got up from sickbeds
to vote against her.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:44 PM
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58. Hillary Clinton is part of DLC leadership -- is that really what you want????
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 05:44 PM by defendandprotect
YIKES -- !!

We've had 20 and more years of RW Koch Bros. funded DLC infiltrating the party and

influencing its candidates!! Isn't that enough?


:eyes:



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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:12 PM
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34. Carter didn't have FAUX news to deal with -
Granted the presidency is never going to be won by anyone but an Imperialist (which is why we need Occupy and further measures ...) but surely folks realize he has been attacked on all sides and the "entertainment" that is FAUX news has fueled much of the dissatisfaction amongst working class who are voting against their own financial interests.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:47 PM
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60. Nighline -- and Ted Koppel certainly were created to do a job on Carter every night at 11pm -- !!
And they were recruiting help for the treasonous "October Surprise" even within

the Carter Administration~! See Gary Sick on that -- "October Surprise" --

Carter was under steady attack from the CIA and FBI -- each day frightening the

hell out of him telling him how many more people they'd found who wanted to kill him!


Think Carter realized who really wanted to kill him?


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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:26 PM
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66. Interesting - before my time so I will follow up on that with some searches -
thank you! We know Eisenhower figured it out so surely Carter couldn't be so dense. But then again ...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:48 PM
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94. Yes -- this idea that we didn't have a very pummeling press vs Carter is amazing!!
While it's denied, I seem to recall Carter trying to talk with the public

in earnest from the White House -- at a time when I think we were still willing

to listen to him -- and suddenly, for about 15 minutes or so there was no sound.


This is denied -- I'll make that clear to you.

But I recall watching something like that -- Carter speaking and nothing to be

heard -- completely the idea of making him look immensely foolish.


Again -- let me be clear -- it's being denied.



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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:15 PM
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35. Most polls are bullshit. You can always get the answer you want.
"Would you rather have a better economy, or support President Obama?"
"When did you stop beating your wife?".
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:17 PM
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36. Wow, even without a killer rabbit.
;-)
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:18 PM
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37. 2012 reminds me of 1968 only we Democratic Party members do not even have a choice.
LBJ quit after the primaries started. I was for McCarthy then switched to RFK when RFK entered the primaries late.

If Obama were to decline ASAP, I would think the best Democratic candidates could be found among current or past Democratic Governors.

I like Jerry Brown for one. Brown at least has said quit abusing OWS. He is my Governor now and was in the past. Another pol I like (and lived in OR during a prior term) is Kitzhaber.

My instincts tell me that we have yet to see who will be the Repuke candidate and we may see Jeb Bush or Petreaus or Barbour or?

Obama has royally fucked up Afghanistan, healthcare, education, the environment, the economy, and rule of law and could conceivably lose to even a Repuke nutcase and drag Congress down too.

Obama has proven to be a divisive and ineffective POTUS. I cried in happiness November 2008.

I am and want a New Deal / Great Society / Peace Democratic candidate in 2012.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:53 PM
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44. .
:hug:
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:01 PM
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47. Evil triumphs when good people do NOTHING. Obama is a good example.
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 05:02 PM by Hardrada
He is doing nothing.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:50 PM
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61. Corporate money buys a lot of SILENCE .... !!!
We've seen that with the Democratic Party for decades now -- !!

And still many are ready to vote for MORE of this!!


We need a JESUS vs SATAN election -- all we need to do is find "JESUS" -- !!!

Then corproate money will be immaterial -- and it would simply be a "word of mouth" campaign!!


Got any suggestions?



:evilgrin:


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:08 PM
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52. Hmmmm?
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 05:08 PM by ProSense
"Obama has proven to be a divisive and ineffective POTUS."


Yeah, Republicans hate him.



And in terms of progressive policies, he's still the most effective Democratic President in decades.

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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:47 PM
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59. Any one know about this guy?
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:29 PM
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67. I do now and like him. Good Environmental background.
Lots of experience. Another western Democratic repeat Governor like Brown and Kitzhaber.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:23 AM
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80. Super Tuesday will be here before you know it.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:47 PM
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41. Big deal--the article omits the biggest factor
If Carter had had to contend with a 24/7 TV station calling him a socialist and Reagan our Lord and Savior,
Carter's approval would have been in single digits around now.

Take away Fox and National Hate radio, and Obama would be around 65% to 70%. Maybe higher, since taking away
Fox and National Hate Radio would have probably meant Democrats keeping the House last year and a lot less
Republican obstructionism in the Senate.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:08 PM
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51. +1
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:57 PM
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62. Carter was being undermined by CIA/FBI -- not to mention "October Surprise" being carried
out within his administration where they were openly recuriting help!

Carter's attempts to rescue hostages resulted in 3 or more helicopters going down --

guess who was in command of that mission? Ollie North! Second in command -- Secord -- !!

Problem? Somehow they failed on more than one occasion to put the necessary equipment on

the helicopters to PREVENT SAND FROM GETTING INTO THE ENGINES!!


OWS is a movement to the LEFT -- it is out of accord with Obama who is on the right --

Fox or Limbaugh obviously have no effect on them.

These are voters who are looking to leave the right behind -- not vote for it!

In fact the message of OWS seems to be that both parties are finished.



Also -- I'd refer you to NIGHTLINE with Ted Koppel which was created to even further

undermine Carter every night at 11pm!!

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The Green Manalishi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:03 PM
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48. Well, the Republicans have no Reagan on the horizon..
Whatever one may think about his policies, Reagan ran hard, fought like hell, was a hell of a speaker and debater and had the 'fire in the belly' for decades. I can dislike someone's policies while respecting their organization, skills and fighting spirit; only Bill Clinton come off as well in the last half century. It takes a heck of a lot to unseat an incumbent, a lot more than any of the seven dwarfs have going for them.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:16 PM
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64. ABC election -- with TREASON on the side by Reagan in "October Surprise" ....
that wasn't really a case of unseating an incumbent --

Carter was being attacked and betrayed from within his own adminsitration --

by CIA and FBI --

Rescue efforts that failed under Command of Ollie North -- and second in command...Secord!!


Further, after the attempted assassination of Reagan, many say that George Bush was president.

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maddogesq Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 07:07 PM
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72. But, but, but...
I thought Al Haig was in charge. Nuk, nuk :)
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:42 PM
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69. Carter was a great president, there are far worse people with whom to share an empty statistic.
:patriot:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 07:05 PM
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71. This time the hostage takers are the 1% in the U.S. and the Congress that won't tax them.
and, honestly, if Obama goes along with allowing religious groups to deny reproductive health care to women, expect his numbers to drop even lower.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 07:30 PM
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73. I stand with Obama and the democrats
Sadly, this thread is indicative of the bizarre new normal on DU with its pile-on mentality.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:18 AM
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74. What a shock.
Except I'm totally not.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:19 AM
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78. even worse in our house.. at least carter had some conviction
he spends most of his time arresting legal MMJ organizations.. so dont count on many votes in the NW
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:23 AM
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79. Yeah, saw the same kind of propaganda when Obama was running.
Remember how some of the polls (including Gallup) said Obama was not going to win and how neck and neck he was with McCain and Palin? It was spin, spin, spin. You notice they only give you a small specific set of numbers. That's so you don't see the whole picture.


Obama and the Democrats are going to win almost everything. Unfortunately, they are NOT going to change anything.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 09:47 AM
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88. We will have to be the ones
When change comes we won't need or be using politicians or parties, because the change WE make will be forced on them along with that other 1%. Propaganda is only effective if you believe it, but even worse for them if you understand the lies and why they are making them.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:32 AM
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82. Obama will be re-elected.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:38 AM
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83. SOP
Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly...

Can't help....

Please try a new tack, this has long since become tiresome.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 09:28 AM
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87. So what - Bush had even lower approval ratings
Carter was POTUS over 30 years ago.

If Gallup hasn't improved since then . .
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unionworks Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:37 PM
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92. sigh
First, for me, not voting is not an option. Neither is voting for a pipe dream 3rd party. I support the Occupy movement and share their frustration and anger. But I will pull the lever for Obama on election day. The alternative is unthinkable.
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:39 PM
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93. I posted this a couple days ago, was met with the usual.
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