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harvey007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:04 PM
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U.S. Rep. Justin Amash opposes defense authorization bill, calling it "anti-liberty"
Source: Grand Rapids News

U.S. Rep. Justin Amash, R-Cascade Township, is speaking out against a defense bill being debated in the U.S. Senate this week, calling it one of the most anti-liberty pieces of legislation of our lifetime.
According to the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Defense Authorization Act will allow the U.S. military to declare national territory part of the "battlefield" in the War on Terror.


Read more: http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/1...
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:08 PM
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1. don't worry, obama will veto this bill. uh huh, uh huh nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:59 AM
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22. +1 --
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 09:20 AM
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39. ACLU statement
ACLU Lens: Senate Takes Up New Detention Authorities Again Tonight We Need Your Help!

The Senates back in session today, ready to begin once again on the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Perfectly timed for the Senates return, the San Jose Mercury News ran an incredibly compelling op-ed today by Floyd Mori, the head of the Japanese American Citizens League on the bills detention provisions.

As Mori eloquently states:
Although the details of the indefinite detentions of Japanese-Americans during World War II and the proposed indefinite detentions of terrorism suspects may differ, the principle remains the same: Indefinite detentions based on fear-driven and unlawfully substantiated national security grounds, where individuals are neither duly charged nor fairly tried, violate the essence of U.S. law and the most fundamental values upon which this country was built.

These provisions have proven to be a huge sticking point, with the White House firmly against their passage. The Obama administration has issued a veto threat for the bill based on its opposition to the provisions and, last week, the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, wrote to Sen. Dianne Feinstein outlining his concerns.

The Senate will be debating the NDAA this week and will begin voting on amendments as early as tonight. One amendment well be watching for this week was offered by Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.). The Udall amendment would strip the detention provisions and mandates a process for Congress to use an orderly process to consider whether any detention legislation is needed. Its not too late to call your senator and urge them to vote YES on the Udall Amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act.


http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-dem...

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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 11:22 AM
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50. Technically, this is more like indefinite detentions of German-Americans and Italian-Americans. n/t
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:06 PM
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62. President Hope and Change?
Yeah, that's happening.
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xoom Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:15 PM
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2. It's good that he is standing up to this.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:40 PM
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3. so uhm OWS could be declared a battlefield ....just what they want.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 09:43 AM
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41. +1
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:40 PM
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4. A republican is on the same side as the ACLU? Where are the Dems? WTF is going on?
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:05 PM
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10. It's embarrassing. nt
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:12 PM
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12. I bet things are gonna get weirderer n/t
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:20 PM
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14. They AUTHORED this POS. I'm so sick of these legislators I could scream
A Republican standing up for the rights of the people? Really? What is he afraid of?
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:56 AM
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20. by "they" you should include the Democrats.
Levin co-sponsored the Senate version, and the House version passed with overwhelming Democratic support.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 09:46 AM
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43. I was answering the question "where are the Democrats"
so in my response, I am squarely placing the blame for this at Levin's feet. And not just him...look how many Dems in the House voted for this!!! That is what makes me so angry. The Democrats are NOT fighting for us. I think OWS has made that point painfully clear.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:01 AM
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29. No shit. nt
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 09:10 AM
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37. Self delete.
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 09:46 AM by AllyCat
responded to wrong topic
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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 09:11 AM
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38. That's bizarro-world nt
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SixthSense Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 10:25 AM
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45. Where are the Dems? I'll tell you where they are
Anyone who has been in DC long enough - a tiny handful of exceptions notwithstanding - can most likely be found on Wall St. (or the equivalent for another big industry) raising money from people who want you and me kept under control no matter how brutal the methods necessary.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:04 PM
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5. The comments at MLive are very supportive. A lot of RWers post there.
I want to know why Carl Levin (D-MI) co-sponsored that bill in the Senate.

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:27 PM
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7. On average, both parties are pretty "anti-liberty."
...
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:23 AM
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24. Damn but that's sad.
I want my party back.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:10 PM
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11. Because Levin is not a senator for us, but for the "defense" industry.
Anything that will help the defense industry is what he'll vote for. Maybe this bill would mean more money for arms manufacturers, military contractors, etc. If so, he'll vote for it.
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:54 AM
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32. Probably because Detroit is already a battleground?
:shrug:
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 09:44 AM
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42. A lot of Philadelphia is too.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:16 PM
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6. K&R
I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.
~Malcolm X
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:31 PM
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8. K&R. nt
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:05 PM
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9. He may be a Tea Party supporter but he has his bright spots
such as opposing the "In God We Trust" resolution.
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:17 PM
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13. You didn't expect them to NOT use those new laws they wrote for themselves after 9/11, did you?
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hourglass1 Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:04 AM
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15. further evidence
... genuine public servants have been left behind by both parties ...
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:06 AM
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16. they really are afraid of a civil war and a revolution
if America has the Military running our country verses the police ...then we run into a dictatorship
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Response Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:38 AM
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26. Yeah, but not to worry.
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 02:38 AM by Response
The iron hand will be covered in soft velvet.
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Fokker Trip Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:48 AM
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31. Mmmm cozy, soft velvet. nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:12 AM
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17. War on terror, war on poverty Both have the same amount to do with actual war.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:26 AM
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18. Good for him
Whatever party and/or ilk he is, he's right about this, it's an abomination. :grr:

I'm afraid we are going to have to fight it out in the streets at some point. I have always sincerely hoped we could have a peaceful revolution , but it looks like we are being denied the means to do it peacefully, so.... :(
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:35 AM
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19. This abomination of a bill IS A BLIGHT ON THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Levin is a traitor
to the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

REC.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:17 AM
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27. Word. Such a shame that a bunch of lawmakers can undo the Constitution and
The bill of rights, knowing that the SCOTUS could care less.

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 07:48 AM
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34. Levin is an anti-equalit piece of shit,.
And an exploitative flip flopper pledged to self service. This unmitigated creep voted for DOMA. Now he's against DOMA. Of course, there would not be a DOMA at all if not for assholes like Levin, bigoted, soul dead, and corrupt as anything.
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:57 AM
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21. This guy also has a really nice FB page (he's basically a libertarian)
Obviously I disagree strongly with the economic side of his libertarianism, but his Facebook page (not sure if I'm allowed to link it) has explanations of every single vote he makes. This is useful for his direct constituents (I'm not one) in that they know exactly why their rep voted how he did. It's also useful for everyone when trying to figure out exactly what is going on in the House (what's being voted on, etc.) as it's a lot clearer (to me at least) than the official government sources.

Fun note: he got lots of hate from his Tea Party fans on FB for voting against the "In God We Trust" thing recently (and some love from his more Libertarian fans and even liberals for that vote)
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 08:00 AM
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35. His constituents probably aren't even aware of it.
He's from very near the district where I grew up and still vote. Democrats don't even bother running for lots of offices around there, and the voters that vote Republican won't look into the candidates much. I imagine that this guy has a job for life unless redistricting changes things an awful lot in the area.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 08:12 AM
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36. He's a kid, maybe he'll mature out of the economic libertarianism.
Well, one can hope. He actually sounds really intriguing.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:07 PM
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55. I may not agree with his politics most of the time, but at least he is responsive
to his constituents.
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:46 PM
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69. ofc, the only people making any
sense in the republican party are those with libertarian leaving. That is why it baffles me that most people here thin libertarians are more dangerous that conservatives, why 10 reasons not to vote for Ron Paul is posted every other week and reason and why Romney or Gingrich post are filled with people suggesting that they are not extreme and can be tolerated because they support individual mandate and global warming.

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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:48 AM
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70. I have some ideas
the reason libertarians are dangerous is that they believe in completely unregulated markets and government doing basically nothing. even the most hardcore conservatives who are not libertarian see the place of some regulation, etc. and some govt help for people (as long as their buddies profit too)

of course if you're a liberal who cares more about the liberty part than the economic part then libertarians look better too you than conservatives.

i used to think i was one of those liberals but i don't really know anymore (probably still am)
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:10 AM
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23. good for him.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:37 AM
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25. This guy is a 30 year old Ron Paul
He even voted against the Patriot Act.
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catbyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:05 PM
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61. Bingo. Hands off business, restrict gay & women's rights
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:45 PM
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64. Ron Paul actually has a mixed record on gay rights
He did vote to repeal DADT, and certainly is not as rabid as Santorum on gays. He also opposes a Federal Marriage Amendment, but thinks states have to right to either ban or legalize it. There's a lot worse out there than him on that issue.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:19 AM
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28. Hurray for the Tea Party.
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 03:21 AM by freshwest
:sarcasm:


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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:31 AM
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30. this kind of bill does have very disturbing implications.in the long run. Good for Congressman Amash
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 04:32 AM by Douglas Carpenter
for bringing this to light.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 07:28 AM
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33. Good for him!
:thumbsup:
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catbyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 11:09 AM
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48. Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Justin Amash is the Rep for my district in MI and he's the worst sort of bagger. He wants to dismantle the EPA because "the market" will regulate pollution and businesses know best. Life also begins at conception, among other things. He's nuttier than Ron and Rand Paul put together and an embarrassment to the state of Michigan.

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:19 PM
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58. Thanks for those details!
I figured he was part psycho, but as you said, even a broken clock is right twice a day. My rep is Joe "deadbeat dad" Walsh. :hi:
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catbyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:04 PM
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60. Yikes! 2010 is the year when the voters went collectively insane
:hi:
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 09:40 AM
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40. Sorry;
I thought this was about the 'singer.'
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 09:51 AM
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44. I hope Obama is serious about his veto threat.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 10:26 AM
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46. God Damn, the fascism is accelerating exponentially now...
Since I studied European history back in high-school, and the rise of Nazi Germany, I always though, "Jeeze, that could never happen again, especially here in America..." Fuck was I wrong...
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 11:08 AM
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47. The SOB's that put this together are NOT looking out for the nations security.
Something else is going on here and this piece of shit needs to stop.
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KeyserSoze87 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 11:13 AM
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49. Wait a minute, this guy is a Republican? I must be in Bizarro World right now.
:wow:
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 11:27 AM
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51. Democrats wrote the PATRIOT Act in 1998.

Republicans opposed it using all the correct arguments against it. In reality, most of them opposed it just because it was written by Democratic legislatures and the Clinton White House. Al Gore chaired the committee that planned it.


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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 11:51 AM
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52. Support the Udall Amendment!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:01 PM
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53. Who doesn't believe we're a police state now? nt
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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:01 PM
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54. This is a
boiling frog moment if I ever saw it. They are doing it so slowly that we haven't even noticed it. There will be a few protests, and it'll be light, but mostly people are going to just eventually shrug their shoulders and move on with it. You'll hear the occasional story about a "right wing nutcase" that is caught stockpiling weapons or some such being killed in a raid and you'll say something along the lines of "Well, that's what he gets for x." X being "not paying that tax" or "having illegal guns" ect. But it's people like that that are fighting this thing. I don't think the general population of the US will be fighting in the streets. Maybe pockets of resistance here and there. 10 at the most. But they are going to be painted as terrorists or racists, and will never get widespread support. This will become another dictatorship, and in 20 years no one will be left alive that remembers anything else. My kids are going to be 25 and 22 by then. They'll end up in some school, being trained how to be good workers, with the State as their God, and they will love Big Brother.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:50 PM
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56. > TAKE ACTION
Tell the Senate NO to Indefinite Military Detention

https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=...
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:07 PM
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57. OK Obama, take a stand and VETO this trash
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:58 PM
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59. Good for him. Even though I am a life long Democrat, when a Republican does something
that is right I will praise them for it, and when a Democrat does something that I don't agree with I will let that be known as well. I hope that more Democrats and Republicans alike will join Rep. Amash in opposing this fascist legislation.

I probably do disagree with him on most issues however, so I certainly would not endorse him. But he is right on this one.
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joshguitar Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:27 PM
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66. +1 /nt
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joshguitar Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:29 PM
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67. +1 /nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:27 PM
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63. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, harvey.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:07 PM
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65. Obama has a very poor record on civil liberties...
Much of the damage that Bushco did is still in place, Obama changed very little. Let's see how about Hillary Clinton and Dennis Kucinich ticket for 2012. That is guranteed to fix the majority of problems in this country right now. It wins on all fronts....

I can dream can't I?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:42 PM
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68. And THIS is why they're working so hard at shutting down the internet

When the populists, left and right make common cause they will have a for-real revolution on their hands.
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