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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 11:16 PM
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Jordan: Syria fires at family fleeing to Jordan
Source: AP

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) A government official says Syria has shot and wounded a Syrian woman as she and her family crossed a fence into neighboring Jordan.
The official says Jordanian border patrols fired in the air to help the three-member family get away but did not exchange fire with the Syrian army.
The woman, wounded in her leg, was taken to a nearby hospital. Her husband and child escaped unharmed.
The official said the three crossed a fence near the northern border Sunday, "fleeing hardships" in their country and "seeking asylum" in Jordan.'

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/jordan-syria-fires-family-fleeing...



The Syrian government is desperately trying to prevent anyone from escaping Syria. I guess they are afraid of the Hague.Too late now.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 11:37 PM
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1. That was incredibly dumb for them to do.
When you have people in civil war against the government and have repeatedly said they are smuggling in weapons to kill soldiers, crossing a border outside of a checkpoint is not smart at all.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 11:47 PM
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2. Can't the Army see it was a family : Man , Woman and CHILD
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 11:54 PM by UndertheOcean
as was clearly discerned by the Jordanian Border Security.

This is no civil war btw, at least not yet. Before the Army entered Hama there was not one death , not one death in the City , despite hundred's of thousands of demonstrators taking the streets every week.

Don't tell me you believe the "Armed Gangs" bullshit story of the despot Syrian government.

I am very curious what will your comments on Syria be like after Assad falls , as he inevitably will.

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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 11:53 PM
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3. How many civilians did US soldiers kill in Iraq?
Assad may fall but not anytime soon.

When you have two armed factions of poeople killing each other in a country, it's a civil war. Why do you think it was stupid for them to do it. The people trying to overthrow the government have yapped continiously of how they are training in neighboring countries and smuggling weapons to kill soldiers.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 12:03 AM
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4. links ? or are you making stuff up : I have been following this for months now and all I know is
Edited on Mon Nov-28-11 12:31 AM by UndertheOcean
the Free Syrian Army , which has nothing to do with the peaceful unarmed demonstrators gunned down everyday . It is mainly composed of soldiers defecting after getting orders to "shoot to kill" unarmed protesters.

Only yesterday 40 civilians died in Homs.

The Syrian Army has the tanks and heavy weapons anyway, so that you keep harping about "two armed factions" is kind of silly. Until the FSA has more hefty weaponry THEN it will turn into a civil war.

And Assad has two months tops , if not weeks. You are welcome to bookmark this post, I will.

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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:48 AM
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13. Well I suggest you expand your pool of information.
You haven't heard about the soldiers killed? The air force base attacked? Training in Turkey? No? None of these?

Hard to take seriously now.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 12:18 AM
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5. Addressing one comment you brought up , Was it stupid for Jews to try to escape Germany ?
Edited on Mon Nov-28-11 12:33 AM by UndertheOcean
Was it stupid for East Germans to try to escape to the West ?

Those are refugees , escaping from a despot country with a total media blackout and propaganda machine out of Goebbels and the Stasi. Escaping from a country where one word can have you tortured and disappeared, so that even your family is SCARED to inquire about you.

I know , because it happened to close family.

And to a friend's uncle : He removed an Assad Flyer someone put on his car's windshield and discarded it in the trash bin by the curb : Ten years hard labour.

That you think those poor brave people living under inhumane conditions and trying to escape are "stupid" really shows .... you know what : you either have an agenda or really lack empathy. I could be wrong , if I am I apologize.

/end rant.

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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:32 AM
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12. Godwin fail.
Try again.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:31 AM
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14. no need , My point came across to those with Empathy.
that is what I wanted , not a two word sound bite like the above post.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 12:49 AM
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6. It's problematic because armed elements are violating the border from Jordan.
The armed elements are not being restrained by the Jordanian border police. It's not surprising that the Syrian military would be extremely wary of illegal border crossings, with the flow of armed elements and weapons across the border. There are a lot of these soldiers who are losing their lives.

This looks a lot more like Nicaragua in the 80s than Libya several months ago.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 12:59 AM
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7. Again :Do you have any proof of those armed elements from Jordan? any shred of proof?(links are ok)
Edited on Mon Nov-28-11 01:01 AM by UndertheOcean
let me have a look at said evidence then I will get back to you.

I have been googling for 30 minutes now and all I could find is stuff from the Syrian Government, and it's affiliated Al-Dunya TV

I also found that AlJazeera is smuggling hallucinatory pills into Syria ...tsk tsk.
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 01:42 AM
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8. You're wasting your time arguing with these people.
They don't care what the truth is. The only thing they care about is that the regime hates Israel and hates America.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 02:15 AM
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10. "Some people's" accusations are idiotic.
It's a McCarthyite farce to casually toss around unsubstantiated accusations, worse than the self-confessed right-wing.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 02:12 AM
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9. Well, the group called "Free Syria Army" certainly claims they are.
"...Jordanian Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh acknowledged that 100 Syrian military and police deserters have taken refuge in the kingdom during the uprising. It was the first official public confirmation that Jordan hosts Syrian defectors"

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/11/27/arab-league-set...

"The group wants a buffer zone in the north, on the Turkish- Syrian border, and another in the south near the border with Jordan to help them bring the fight closer to Assad, Riad al As'ad, a former Syrian colonel who leads the Free Syrian Army, said in a phone interview from Turkey today."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/1...

The would-be insurgents do not exercise state power in any part of Syria itself. They use neighboring countries to launch attacks yielding many casualties, as the Nicaraguan contras did in the 80s - hence my comparison.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 07:58 AM
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11. Yeah. Crossing at an armed border checkpoint would have been much safer...
... for the Syrian army guards.
:sarcasm:

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