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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 02:17 AM
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Black Friday Pepper Spray Incident in Porter Ranch
Source: NBC Los Angeles

A customer shot pepper spray at other customers at a
busy Northridge Wal-Mart store late Thursday night, causing minor injuries to 10 people who had been waiting hours for Black Friday savings, according to Los Angeles firefighters and a police lieutenant.

A witness told NBC4 that the incident started as people waited in line for the new Xbox 360. The witness said a woman with two children in tow became upset with the way people were pushing in line. The witness said she pulled out pepper spray, and sprayed the other people in line.

Read more: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/Black-Friday-Pepper-S...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 02:38 AM
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1. If they arrest her do they have to arrest Officer Pike .....
How ironic that this occurs at this time.
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 02:46 AM
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2. Corporal punishment is still legal in texas.
a little girl in kindergarten class had just been shown the paddle by the teacher in class, and had it explained that if the kids did not do what the teacher says, they get the paddle.

At lunch time, the little girl wanted some of another kids sandwich. when the other kid refused, the little girl picked up a stick and hit him with it.

you reap as you sow.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 05:54 AM
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7. I predict their defense:
"It's essentially a food product!"
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:43 AM
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22. She was attempting to comfort them with food.
Edited on Fri Nov-25-11 10:52 AM by freshwest
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 04:04 PM
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29. Eat this! The inventor of pepper spray has commented on its curent uses
on NPR today. Insightful stuff, condemning the police for using violence to confront anyone who has an opinion.


Inventor of Pepper Spray Condemns Police Usage Against Occupy Protestors

To Kamran Loghman, who helped develop pepper spray into a weapons-grade material with the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the 1980s, the incident at Davis violated his original intent.

I have never seen such an inappropriate and improper use of chemical agents, Mr. Loghman said in an interview.

Mr. Loghman, who also helped develop guidelines for police departments using the spray, said that use-of-force manuals generally advise that pepper spray is appropriate only if a person is physically threatening a police officer or another person.

http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2011/11/23/inventor-of-pep... /
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 05:34 PM
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31. Yeah, I saw that, but the fascists aren't listening, are they? And the woman was a perfect randian.
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dballance Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 03:19 AM
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3. Over a Fricking TOY? Are you kidding me?
First of all, it's stupid to stand in line all night for a toy. Do what my parents did - say NO, you're not going to get it so don't expect it under the tree.

Second of all, Pepper Spraying people? What are you - the UC cops?
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:46 AM
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23. Hey, just practicing equality under the law, it's legal. No such thing as assault now.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 01:14 PM
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25. Agreed!
Megyn Kelly says it's OK, so that's that.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:27 PM
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32. I question your "first of all"
Since this line was for Xbox 360s, I suspect half will show up on eBay, half the remainder will be used by the purchaser rather than being given as a gift, and MAYBE the rest will be used as gifts.

The ratios may be off, but if the price of these things was low enough, at least three quarters of them weren't bought as gifts for anyone the purchaser knows.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 04:13 AM
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4. Whats the fuss - "It's just a food product"
:sarcasm:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 04:21 AM
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5. When did Northridge get a walmart thrust upon them?
Lol, time to break out google maps and tour "home" again.


Can't bring myself to comment on the hideous woman.
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NYPat Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 04:42 AM
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6. Note the response
Judging by the video at the link, the Police and Fire Department took this incident seriously.
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jerseyjack Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 06:29 AM
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8. Officer Pike: "She was being encircled. She had no way out. Self-defense."
Case Closed.
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PetrusMonsFormicarum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 06:54 AM
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9. Pepper Spray for One and All!


The question remains: is it a condiment, or a vegetable?
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:05 AM
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10. People are only modeling what they're being told is acceptable behavior...
by "credible" sources such as Fox News.

How could this not have been predicted?

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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:14 AM
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20. You've nailed it exactly, and there's nothing wrong with it.
It's a universal human phenomenon. We do what we see works, and we try not to do what we see doesn't work. We don't, however, bother to define "what works" in any way other than immediate short-term benefit.

"I don't know what to do here. My normal training is exhausted. What do I do? I do what SUCCESSFUL people do, of course."
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:47 AM
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24. + a million monkeys who see and do.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:34 AM
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11. "Despite the chaos,..."
Edited on Fri Nov-25-11 07:35 AM by mahatmakanejeeves
"I don't care," Nakeasha Contreras, a 20 year old who arrived after the incident, told the Times. "I'm still getting my TV."
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:44 AM
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12. and that there is what's wrong with America
until it's one of her family members getting sprayed, then she'll care. She will never understand why she should care. She is a consuming waste of space.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:48 AM
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13. did it work?
did the people stop pushing? Did she get her Xbox 360?
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:58 AM
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15. Finally! Someone who gets the real issue here!
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:49 AM
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14. There's plenty more aisle 8, next to the herbs and seasonings.
Not to worry.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 09:03 AM
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16. "The woman, who had two kids with her, bragged about carrying the pepper spray"
Just now, live, in MSNBC's reporting of the incident...so no link.

"The suspect fled, and this morning, they are still looking for her."

Sick...just fucking SICK.

:grr:
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 09:05 AM
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17.  So the coward who pepper sprayed fellow shoppers fled?
I hope that chicken s*** is arrested and charged.


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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 09:53 AM
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18. It's ok
You can't be arrested and charged for it, right? I mean, isn't this what's being passed off as acceptable behavior now? After all, it's just a "food product", right?

:banghead: :grr:
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:01 AM
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19. Yup
Edited on Fri Nov-25-11 10:01 AM by durablend
And since she was likely "surrounded" at some point makes it all the more acceptable.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:15 AM
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21. Consumerism run wild.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 03:31 PM
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26. Woman in Wal-Mart pepper spray attack was 'competitive shopping'
Source: Los Angeles Times


November 25, 2011 | 1:15 am

Woman who pepper-sprayed other shoppers Thursday night at the Wal-Mart in Porter Ranch had armed herself with the caustic spray to gain an advantage in the fight for merchandise at the Black Friday sale, a fire captain said.

The woman, who is still being sought, used the spray in more than one area of the Wal-Mart "to gain preferred access to a variety of locations in the store," said Los Angeles Fire Capt. James Carson.

"She was competitive shopping," he said.

Twenty customers, including children, were hurt in the 10:10 p.m. incident. Shoppers complained of minor skin and eye irritation and sore throats, he said.



Read more: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/pepper-sp...
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potone Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 03:31 PM
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27. Maybe we should all buy some for Christmas.
It would make a perfect stocking stuffer! :eyes:
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Bosonic Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 03:33 PM
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28. The present is becoming like the past's cheesy future movies
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 04:06 PM
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30. Someone needs to take a self-defense class
ANY self-defense class.
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 11:58 PM
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33. Check out this video of several mall brawls
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