Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Obama Effigy Burned by Right-Wing Students in UK

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 08:31 AM
Original message
Obama Effigy Burned by Right-Wing Students in UK
Source: MSNBC

Obama effigy burned by right-wing students in UK

msnbc.com
updated 3 minutes ago

'Burning an effigy of anyone is offensive, let alone the first black President of the United States. The overtones are deeply unpleasant,' lawmaker says

An effigy of Barack Obama was burned by members of a Conservative party college student association in Scotland, after its committee chose the U.S. president over the late Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, a student official told msnbc.com.

- snip -

A source told msnbc.com that a number of the committee members were Americans who support the Republican party.

St. Andrews University, which was founded in 1413 and was attended by third-in-line to the throne Prince William, said it planned to speak to the Conservative group about the "very understandable concerns" over the incident.

In a telephone interview, Patrick O'Hare, a student official, said the Students' Representative Council had voted by 13 to 2 Tuesday night in favor of a motion that burning effigies of public figures was not constructive.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45413573/ns/world_news-euro...
Refresh | +2 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 08:52 AM
Response to Original message
1. "Parliament shall make no law...."
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 09:12 AM
Response to Original message
2. "The last thing a truly modern party should be doing..."
Looks to me like the wing nuts in the UK live in the past, just like here.

They had a vote on who they'll burn in effigy? Wow, that's really fucked up. Can't wait to see which school's Young rethuglican group sees that and starts doing it, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 09:14 AM
Response to Original message
3. Foreign American Republican students burn effigy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
wial Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 09:28 AM
Response to Original message
4. Scotland gave us the KKK lest we forget
although she also gave us Robbie Burns so they're not all like that!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #4
18. the KKK was created in Tennessee, not Scotland.
geez, what weird idea is going through your mind?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. I can explain this one.
Lots of imagery from "Birth of a Nation" came from the writings of Walter Scott.

Info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Scott
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 05:55 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. Birth of a Nation was done by D.W. Griffith, not the KKK.
You have managed to confuse me even more.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. The invented cultural back-story came from there,
The KKK is a fabrication based on invented mythos.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Tom Ripley Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. The cracker aristocracy used Scott's turgid romances as justification
for their "Noble Cause"
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. Griffith was a klan supporter - he was also from the Tenn/KY area
that was taken over by a lot of Scotch and English settlers who brought their cultural baggage with them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #4
25. Only 30% of St. Andrews students are from Scotland
Unusually for a Scottish university, more of its 6,000 undergraduates are from the rest of the UK (36 per cent) than north of the Border (30 per cent).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducatio...


And given the unpopularity of the Tories in Scotland 16.7% of the vote in 2010, probably even less than 30% of the Conservative Association are Scottish.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 09:51 AM
Response to Original message
5. Sigh
Somehow I thought their conservatives would be more civilized than our conservatives.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #5
22. Article says ''... number of the committee members were Americans who support the Republican party"
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #5
28. They're conservatives...
Being civilized is not something conservatives know much about, no matter where they're from.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:06 AM
Response to Reply #5
34. Things to that effect are posted at DU often.
But, it sounds as though our conservatives may have been involved.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
dballance Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 09:54 AM
Response to Original message
6. Who Cares? They don't vote here and...
the GOP is doing it's best to limit absentee voting so the GOP assholes over there may not have their votes counted anyway. Screw them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. It matters because the GOP moaned about Bush being burned in effigy.
As you may recall Bush was burned in effigy all over the world during his 8 years of squatting in the White House. And the conservatives pissed and moaned about it constantly. They said its insulting to all Americans and all that rot. To them, burning a effigy of Bush is akin to burning the American flag. And, to a point, they are correct. The President is a symbol of the United States, much like our flag and to burn it makes a unmistakable and bold statement.

So if they aren't lying hypocrites the conservatives in the U.S. will say something. If they're silent, well they prove their hypocrisy. That's why it matters.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. I could be wrong, but I don't remember many here complaining about the Bush effigies being burned.
It is wrong either way. People are shitheads everywhere.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. yeah, you are right. Every side has assholes.
My point is: If the GOP is going to stand on the higher moral ground, they either have to denounce the effigy burning or else wallow in the pits with the rest of us sinners.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
32. This is why I can't get worked up about this.
I didn't get worked up when effigies of the last US President were burned so I can't get worked up when a bunch of jumped up toffs burn an effigy of the current US president.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:09 AM
Response to Reply #8
35. .I feel no compulsion to be sorry about Bush getting insulted. I don't
imagine FREEPers who were upset about Bush are too upset about this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
hugo_from_TN Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. Hypocrisy exists on all sides
I don't recall many on DU decrying the Bush burnings.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. I complained. I was disappointed that they burned the "effigy".
I hate him and I hate his mother for having him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #10
19. Bush was an evil man; Obama is not.
Geez, that's like equating burning an effigy of MLK and burning an effigy of Hitler and then complaining both sides do it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. No it's not
Bush is not Hitler and Obama certainly isn't MLK.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:14 AM
Response to Reply #20
37. Provis did not say Bush was Hitler. S/he gave an example. that's all.
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 06:28 AM by No Elephants
It's still false to say we are hypocrites unless we are treat both burnings the same.

I'm not sorry shoes got thrown at Bush in Iraq, either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:13 AM
Response to Reply #10
36. Provis is correct. False equivalency. Please see also Reply 35.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. Apparently you didn't bother to read the excerpt posted here

A source told msnbc.com that a number of the committee members were Americans who support the Republican party.

So yes, they do vote here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 10:08 AM
Response to Original message
9. Message to students in Scotland burning an Obama effigy
GO FUCK YOURSELVES! :argh: :mad:

Is that crystal clear yet?

:kick:



Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 10:51 AM
Response to Original message
12. Time to bomb and invade the UK?
Wait, few brown people, less oil.

Never mind.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 01:44 PM
Response to Original message
15. Just continuing their meme, been posting pictures of lynching Obama since 2009.
And echoing their heroes like Glenn Beck. Obama's like JFK in that respect, the Koch brothers - John Birch Society - etc. cabal sure has the nastiest mental imagery running through their heads. Hopeless.

:thumbsdown:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 01:44 PM
Response to Original message
16. And they hanged Nelson Mandela's effigy, too?
Nice little college club. Maybe they should be booted from prestigious St. Andrew' for conduct unbecoming.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
IcyPeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 02:36 PM
Response to Original message
17. The article also says:
______
A source told msnbc.com that a number of the committee members were Americans who support the Republican party.
_______

And not that it makes it okay, but they have burned effigies of many others before.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #17
24. I couldn't find any other source for that.
The effigy burning apparently has a fairly long history. One story said that American students said that the act was offensive. Apparently the entire organization votes on who to burn.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 09:45 PM
Response to Original message
27. Race shouldn't be a factor here at all. The bigger insult would be
to imply that Obama is entitled to special treatment over what a white politician would receive.

AKA the not-so-subtle racism of low expectations.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 10:25 PM
Response to Original message
29. Meanwhile our own reich wing-nuts are unhappy they didn't think of it first
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:29 AM
Response to Reply #29
38. These seem to be our own reich wingnuts, having "fun" abroad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 02:35 AM
Response to Original message
33. Who cares what these UK scumbags think about anything?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct 22nd 2014, 10:41 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC