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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:23 AM
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Libyan prime minister poised to announce secularist cabinet
Source: The Guardian

Leaked details show no places for prominent Islamists in cabinet to be named by Abdulrahman el-Keib

Chris Stephen in Tripoli | Tuesday November 22 2011 12.25 GMT

Abdurrahim al-Keib, the new Libyan prime minister, is set to announce a secularist cabinet on Tuesday.

The major surprise in leaked details of the cabinet which has no places for prominent Islamists is the appointment of Osama Jweli, the chief of the Zintan military council, as defence minister at the expense of the Islamist Hakim Bilhaj. Jweli is an accomplished military commander whose forces played a key role in storming Tripoli in August but, until now, he had not had a high national political profile.

Sources in Zintan told the Guardian at the weekend that the town's leadership had demanded a cabinet post in return for handing over Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, who is being held at a secret location there.

Other appointments include Abdul Rahman Swehli, whose son, Ahmed, a psychiatrist at Manchester Royal Infirmary, spent the much of the war working as a doctor in the besieged city of Misrata, as the human rights minister.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/22/libya-prime...
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:36 AM
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1. Looks like Herman strikes out again.
:rofl:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:47 AM
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2. Not Just Squirmin' Herman, Sir: Some People Here Are Going To Be Awfully Disappointed....
'NATO imperialist intervention against Ghahddafi's Socialist paradise is putting al Queda in charge of Libya!' was being trumpeted here very frequently.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 07:49 PM
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7. Tarhuni Is Still Oil Minister, Sir. Cearly Evidence Of Imperialist Aggression.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 01:26 AM
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10. Yes, good news is carefully packaged for the US audience.
Edited on Wed Nov-23-11 01:28 AM by EFerrari
Women in the cabinet, no Al Qaida and something about education most recently. But I don't see much interest here or in the media for that matter in the situation on the ground and not the situation in NTC press releases.

Shootout erupts at Tripoli foreign worker compound

A group of around 20 men from the Libyan town of Misrata began firing guns when they were refused entry into "Palm City," a complex of luxury villas and flats on the outskirts of Tripoli, two witnesses said.

Two Libyan guards were injured when the 30-minute fight broke out at the front gate, one witness said.

The incident was the latest in a series of cases where militias who fought for months to oust Gaddafi, and now roam Libyan cities in armored pick-up trucks, have used their weapons to try to get their own way.

Monday night's attack was the first time foreigners have been caught up in the violence, and it is likely to make foreign companies and governments - whose help Libya needs for its economy to function - even more reluctant to send in staff.

http://news.yahoo.com/shootout-erupts-tripoli-foreign-w...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 02:48 AM
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12. You Expect Me To Be Surprised There Is Some Disorder In the Wake Of A Revolution, Ma'am?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 02:59 AM
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13. You'll note the source is a news organization readily available in the US.
This is the third relatively significant skirmish in months and it's still not counter-revolutionary in scope or an insurgency as a whole.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:03 AM
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16. Indeed,Sir:It is Reported, And Of No Particular Significance
There are always bad hats and loose ends in something like this.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 11:46 AM
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20. No, your Honor but I do expect you to recognize PR even faster
than I do.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 02:02 PM
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22. A List Of Officials Is A List Of Officials, Ma'am
It is some indication of where power actually lies in an armed coalition. Elements some attempted to present as predominant do not, in fact, seem to be.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 12:56 PM
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21. still upset that Gaddafi is gone I see n/t
s
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 12:04 PM
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3. Caretaker government
Elections were promised by June 2102.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 12:12 PM
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4. Libya's new leaders announce formation of post-Gadhafi transitional government
Edited on Tue Nov-22-11 12:13 PM by Dover
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 12:24 PM
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5. impressive
they are not all former military (except defense), to avoid what happened in Egypt. Trying to Google who they are, looks like progressive thinking, very educated professionals.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 11:52 PM
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25. You are quite correct!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 07:47 PM
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6. Huh, I guess maybe I was right supporting the Libyan Revolution all along.
:rofl:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 08:36 PM
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8. Not so fast
The U.S. is going to invade any day now. The Kearsarge and its Marines are probably on the way back there as we speak. :rofl:
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 01:13 AM
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9. Hi! Have you seen this, yet?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



Due to my tardiness in responding, it probably didn't show up as a reply in your "My DU"...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 02:10 AM
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11. Wonderful!
She is beautiful! I'm so happy for you and your wife. A lot of babies don't start out looking so great, and it's a pleasure not to have to lie for a change. :)

From the messages we shared, I think I even had sympathetic labor pains before she arrived, lol. Now I get to enjoy a vicarious thrill as you enjoy her 'firsts.' Thankyou for that!

Love & Peace,
pinboy3niner
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:00 AM
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15. "a lot of babies don't start out looking so great"
HAHA :rofl:

Never change. :)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:00 AM
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14. Nice. :D
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Little Tich Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:08 AM
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17. I'm very impressed. Libya seems to be a model for transition from dictatorship to democracy.
Btw, Ali Tarhouni is not a member of the latest configuration of the Libyan cabinet. Hassan Ziglam is Finance Minister and Abdulrahman Ben Yezza is Oil Minister.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:49 AM
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18. I stand corrected, thank you. Here's the full list of names:
http://feb17.info/official-documents/full-list-of-offic... /

I should've said, Abdurrahim El-Keib is a "US citizen" in an expat dissident circle, clearly he's being manipulated by the west, etc, etc.

I don't think Libya is a "model" to be honest. As valuable observers like Juan Cole pointed out, the protracted battle made it happen. Not that war is peace, but more that democratic institutions must be able to flourish in a time of protracted unrest or stalemate (remember, the Libyan Revolution basically went without any big conflict for at least 5 months in the middle there; takes time to train an army).

If it was "over" in a matter of days like Egypt you have the risk of things going south as they currently are in Egypt. Tunisia appears to be an exception and I would argue Tunisia is more of a model than any of them.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 10:13 AM
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19. So are the Gaddafi lovers convinced yet?
I doubt it.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:57 PM
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23. Leaked UN report reveals torture, lynchings and abuse in post-Gaddafi Libya
Thousands of people, including women and children, are being illegally detained by rebel militias in Libya, according to a report by the Secretary-General of the United Nations. Many of the prisoners are suffering torture and systematic mistreatment while being held in private jails outside the control of the country's new government.

The document, seen by The Independent, states that while political prisoners being held by the Gaddafi regime have been released, their places have been taken by up to 7,000 new enemies of the state, "disappeared" in a dysfunctional system, with no recourse to the law.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/leaked-u...
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 11:59 PM
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26. It's going to take them time to sort out who's who...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 08:18 PM
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24. So much for the "OMG, SHARIA" handwringing.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 01:47 PM
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27. Yes, once again, the interventionists know exactly what the future will bring
Edited on Thu Nov-24-11 01:48 PM by PurityOfEssence
With the many powerful foreign interests at play here, it may very well be a rather stable transition, but it's far too early to tell.

Some things to keep in mind, though: will the people be getting as good a financial, medical, educational and housing deal as they had before? How many people will have been killed, maimed and left without support before this is all "done"?

I'm glad certain people are full of themselves and strutting around proclaiming how "right" they were to support this insurrection, but there's been and will continue to be quite a bit of ethnic cleansing, rape, assorted violence and outright death. Will it all balance out as "better" for the Libyans? Time will tell, but even then it will be highly subjective.
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